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Lightning Knight posted:Well, if we're going by this standard then I suppose the various activities of early Communist China also count then. I think the fact that these purges of ideological right-wingers were very ineffective at actually targeting right-wingers highlights the inherent difference between ideological purges and purges of marginalized communities, however. Why do you think they were ineffective at targeting right-wingers? Certainly they weren't confined exclusively to right-wingers, but that doesn't mean the actual right-wing wasn't purged as along with the others.
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Squalid posted:During the cultural revolution, the party in one district took the old addage "eat the rich" completely literally. This is completely unacceptable. School system administrators, while well-off and heavily involved in indoctrinating the next generation in communism (good) or counterrevolutionary thought (bad), are not actually the rich, or even very high on the Enemies Of The Workers' State scale. The students' error is understandable, but they should have eaten merchants, landlords, and moneylenders.
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I think calls for violence against nazis and fascists are 100% justified and the part that makes it creepy and gross is the people trying to expand those terms more and more. Like first nazis were nazis (of course), then other groups that were only not nazis in name only (of course), then groups with similar ideology (again, of course), then like, all republicans are nazis (republicans are pretty bad! so sure), then like, centrists are nazis (I guess mr luther king said so if you squint) and like, you can see people in this thread trying to move on to like all liberals are nazis and like, maybe social democracy is maybe nazis and it seems like a certain type of person figured out just calling everyone you disagree a nazi is a magic code to not worry about posting weird bloodlust stuff about killing people that disagree with you to finer and finer amounts.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:maybe social democracy is maybe nazis You mean social fascism?
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I think calls for violence against nazis and fascists are 100% justified and the part that makes it creepy and gross is the people trying to expand those terms more and more. Like first nazis were nazis (of course), then other groups that were only not nazis in name only (of course), then groups with similar ideology (again, of course), then like, all republicans are nazis (republicans are pretty bad! so sure), then like, centrists are nazis (I guess mr luther king said so if you squint) and like, you can see people in this thread trying to move on to like all liberals are nazis and like, maybe social democracy is maybe nazis and it seems like a certain type of person figured out just calling everyone you disagree a nazi is a magic code to not worry about posting weird bloodlust stuff about killing people that disagree with you to finer and finer amounts. You liberals literally have killed leftists for the past 100 years, in this very country no less shut the gently caress up (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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captainblastum posted:Fair enough, I'll move on after this. I do think however that that directly contradicts the point that you originally made, and I'm paraphrasing here, that ironic calls for mass violence against right-wingers are okay because there haven't been effective campaigns of such violence, while there have been right-wing campaigns of violence against leftists. I absolutely agree that the latter is true, but I would also say that the first is true. The Khmer Rouge is just one example. The point that I wanted to make is that any calls to mass violence are bad, whether "ironic" or not. No one is calling for mass violence against right wingers, ironically or not. It can nominally be argued that the usage of "chud" is dehumanizing, but it is not in the same ballpark (not even the same planet) as institutional structures that undercut disadvantaged groups (chuds are the beneficiaries of institutional advantage). I don't even really get what point you are trying to make as much of the examples you are providing are generic "revolutionary power overtaking weakened prior structure" where violence fits a pattern of power consolidation and rapid structural establishment that transcends political affiliations.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:This is completely unacceptable. Also do not actually eat rich people, their consumption of the working man's lifeblood makes them likely vectors for disease.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I think calls for violence against nazis and fascists are 100% justified and the part that makes it creepy and gross is the people trying to expand those terms more and more. Like first nazis were nazis (of course), then other groups that were only not nazis in name only (of course), then groups with similar ideology (again, of course), then like, all republicans are nazis (republicans are pretty bad! so sure), then like, centrists are nazis (I guess mr luther king said so if you squint) and like, you can see people in this thread trying to move on to like all liberals are nazis and like, maybe social democracy is maybe nazis and it seems like a certain type of person figured out just calling everyone you disagree a nazi is a magic code to not worry about posting weird bloodlust stuff about killing people that disagree with you to finer and finer amounts. would you like some wax for your cross?
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Feinne posted:Also do not actually eat rich people, their consumption of the working man's lifeblood makes them likely vectors for disease. pasteurize
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Squalid posted:During the cultural revolution, the party in one district took the old addage "eat the rich" completely literally. Also worth noting that during the mid 90's the chinese government was all aboard the 'Guangxi is experiencing a big downturn because they're too rural minded' train and I wouldn't doubt them sanctioning dudes for some rumor mill fearmongering to prove it
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I'm so loving tired of this argument, and I'm even more loving tired of the left's circular firing squad. Fight for purity in the primaries. Fight as hard as you can. Don't give an inch. But after? Vote blue in the general no matter who wins out, because the alternative is putting fascists into power and one result is demonstrably worse than the other. It's not loving complicated. Once the general is happening, we've already won or lost the fight to move the seat leftward. The answer to that isn't putting right-wingers in power in the hopes that Democrats learn their lesson. They won't. Not ever. They will make excuses for centrism forever and your loving protest vote or non-vote won't convince them to change one iota.
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Squalid posted:During the cultural revolution, the party in one district took the old addage "eat the rich" completely literally. Cool. You can de-clutch your pearls, i promise never to be in the same room with Cheney or Schumer or Peolsi or a Bush or Clinton or Obama, let alone shake their hand and I promise to absolutely never put them in my mouth.
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Roland Jones posted:Kuru and other prion diseases are really bad too. Yeah sadly cooking the rich won't help against a lot of the nastier poo poo you get from cannibalism. Also feels not entirely compatible with leaving heads on pikes. I'm willing to agree to disagree on this whole thing, honestly red meat's not really my thing anyway.
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sexpig by night posted:im gonna eat jeff bezos Add Michael Bloomberg to your order and they will both be on your porch tomorrow by 10am freshly seasoned. Free shipping.
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Ytlaya posted:^^^ There is some vagueness with regards to defining people as social democrats vs. liberals. There unfortunately isn't really a good term for the sort of liberal who doesn't support large scale social democratic reforms (which describes the vast majority of the Democratic Party), even though social democrats are kinda technically liberals. Things become even more difficult when you take into account foreign policy or social justice issues (which nearly all Democrats are all terrible with), where the liberal/social democrat/socialist/etc labels don't really paint the full picture." This entire post is like a honeypot for my compulsive pedantry, but I'll limit myself to this paragraph. There's a perfectly good term for liberals who are not social democrats: liberal democrats. I don't think there's a social democrat on earth who calls themselves a liberal, and this is amply demonstrated by how he term liberal is used itt. Social democrats are not "technically" liberal. Firstly "liberal" doesn't have a technical definition as used in American political discourse. If we had to find a technical sense of the word it would probably come from the fields of political philosophy or economics where it generally refers to a preference for market economics, democracy, and minimal government interference in life. Social democrats do not necessarily believe in any of this besides democracy and the disagreement about the importance of free markets is deep and extremely fundamental. Foreign policy and social justice preferences meanwhile have nothing to do with the distinction between liberals/social democrats/socialists. Stalin's annexation of half of Poland doesn't mean he's not a socialist. Supporting or opposing LGBT rights has nothing to do with whether someone is a liberal or a social democrat. The disagreements between these groups revolve entirely around their position on the nature of government's proper role in the economy.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I think calls for violence against nazis and fascists are 100% justified and the part that makes it creepy and gross is the people trying to expand those terms more and more. Like first nazis were nazis (of course), then other groups that were only not nazis in name only (of course), then groups with similar ideology (again, of course), then like, all republicans are nazis (republicans are pretty bad! so sure), then like, centrists are nazis (I guess mr luther king said so if you squint) and like, you can see people in this thread trying to move on to like all liberals are nazis and like, maybe social democracy is maybe nazis and it seems like a certain type of person figured out just calling everyone you disagree a nazi is a magic code to not worry about posting weird bloodlust stuff about killing people that disagree with you to finer and finer amounts. Yeah, I mean can you imagine if we vilified people, starting with the shittiest opinion and then worked our way down. My God, some day you might have only good opinions left. How terrible that would be
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archangelwar posted:No one is calling for mass violence against right wingers, ironically or not. It can nominally be argued that the usage of "chud" is dehumanizing, but it is not in the same ballpark (not even the same planet) as institutional structures that undercut disadvantaged groups (chuds are the beneficiaries of institutional advantage). I don't even really get what point you are trying to make as much of the examples you are providing are generic "revolutionary power overtaking weakened prior structure" where violence fits a pattern of power consolidation and rapid structural establishment that transcends political affiliations. I do not disagree with this. It's related to but not the argument that I was making. The specific disagreement that I had was around Lightning Knight's assertion that "nobody has ever nor is likely ever to create a movement built around dehumanizing and slaughtering right-wingers." Which I believe to be demonstrably false, and I provided an example.
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LividLiquid posted:I'm so loving tired of this argument, and I'm even more loving tired of the left's circular firing squad. I am growing convinced that many of the more hardline posters in this thread are ultimately apathetic, disengaged voters who need to spend outsized energy crafting wild rationalizations to avoid tainting apathy with action. They were never going to be a meaningful participant, so it is somewhat pointless to engage as there is nothing to "win."
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sexpig by night posted:Also worth noting that during the mid 90's the chinese government was all aboard the 'Guangxi is experiencing a big downturn because they're too rural minded' train and I wouldn't doubt them sanctioning dudes for some rumor mill fearmongering to prove it That doesn't make sense in the context of this story as the Party very quickly reversed its sanctions and tried to cover up everything out of fear it would make them look bad. The report had to be smuggled out of the country through Hong Kong.
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Feinne posted:Yeah sadly cooking the rich won't help against a lot of the nastier poo poo you get from cannibalism. fortunately, human meat is white like pork or so i'm told
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captainblastum posted:I do not disagree with this. It's related to but not the argument that I was making. The specific disagreement that I had was around Lightning Knight's assertion that "nobody has ever nor is likely ever to create a movement built around dehumanizing and slaughtering right-wingers." Which I believe to be demonstrably false, and I provided an example. But that is a weak offering if "right-winger" is more appropriately interpreted as "opposition to revolution" for the purposes of more correctly explaining the nature and extent of the violence. Also, using "right wing" as an equal label for, say, the fading Qing Dynasty and the Republican Party further strains all credulity of this line of reasoning.
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Burning human flesh is one of the worst smells. The only thing I would compare it to is wet salted hides that have been cooking in a container for a month plus on thier way to the tannery. Those hides are the worst thing I've ever smelt. Burnt people is close. But y'all are joking ya know.
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archangelwar posted:But that is a weak offering if "right-winger" is more appropriately interpreted as "opposition to revolution" for the purposes of more correctly explaining the nature and extent of the violence. Also, using "right wing" as an equal label for, say, the fading Qing Dynasty and the Republican Party further strains all credulity of this line of reasoning. hong xiuquan 2020
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Yes, as a matter of historical circumstance, the revolutionary period of the late 19th and 20th century did result in violence between left wing and right wing political affiliations. But it also featured revolutions that featured left vs. left and right vs. right, or even opposing forces that simply do not fit on the left vs. right scale. The methods of purging and violence was common amongst any of the permutations and have in fact deep roots in the entire human history, with this period mostly standing out due to the impact of industrialization of violence that once again transcended political boundaries. And none of this changes the significant social and cultural difference between calling people chuds vs. propogating structural racism.
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hey ya'll lets get slightly back on topic with uspolitics and not, you know, the history of nazi germany and which centrist was at fault or eating people cause i'd like to come back to this thread in the morning and not be absurdly creeped the gently caress out
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Squalid posted:This entire post is like a honeypot for my compulsive pedantry, but I'll limit myself to this paragraph. USPOL Winter: This entire thread is like a honeypot for my compulsive pedantry
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Party Plane Jones posted:hey ya'll lets get slightly back on topic with uspolitics and not, you know, the history of nazi germany and which centrist was at fault or eating people cause i'd like to come back to this thread in the morning and not be absurdly creeped the gently caress out once again the mods silence thread-relevant foodchat
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Party Plane Jones posted:i'd like to come back to this thread in the morning and not be absurdly creeped the gently caress out
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GreyjoyBastard posted:once again the mods silence thread-relevant foodchat  on a more on topic note: https://twitter.com/ashtonpittman/status/1066435681696837634
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archangelwar posted:But that is a weak offering if "right-winger" is more appropriately interpreted as "opposition to revolution" for the purposes of more correctly explaining the nature and extent of the violence. Also, using "right wing" as an equal label for, say, the fading Qing Dynasty and the Republican Party further strains all credulity of this line of reasoning. the entire concept of a "right-wing" is meant to be a vague catch all term just as much as "left-wing". In the context of political upheaval in revolutionary Kampuchea and Maoist China it simply means people who opposed single-party rule, collectivization, and state ownership of the means of production, or who at least benefited from the pre-revolutionary economic system. It's not hard to see why some would associate them with modern Republicans, who also oppose increases in state intervention in the economy, even if in practice they differed deeply on fundamental beliefs.
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Glad to see the thread enjoyed Thanksgiving by eating itself for dinner.
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RandomBlue posted:Glad to see the thread enjoyed Thanksgiving by eating itself for dinner.
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BrandorKP posted:Burning human flesh is one of the worst smells. The only thing I would compare it to is wet salted hides that have been cooking in a container for a month plus on thier way to the tannery. Those hides are the worst thing I've ever smelt. Burnt people is close. But y'all are joking ya know. Weird, back in college I had a couple of forensic anthropology professors explain that- Party Plane Jones posted:i'd like to come back to this thread in the morning and not be absurdly creeped the gently caress out Uh nevermind.
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Great Metal Jesus posted:Weird, back in college I had a couple of forensic anthropology professors explain that- I couldn't eat pot roast for a year.
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in non-"why don't leftists like us centrists  " news, pharma companies are being monstrous again:the price of an opioid overdose drug was hiked by 600 percent quote:Kaleo has hiked the price of its naloxone drug by 600 percent — from $575 to $4,100 — over the last four years. According to a new investigative report from Sens. Rob Portman (R-OH) and Tom Carper (D-DE), the drug company wanted to “capitalize on the opportunity” presented by America’s opioid crisis. More than 70,000 people died of drug overdoses in 2017.
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