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Young Freud posted:Rest of the world, not so much... This is pretty cool imo. Does NEU also control North Africa? e: 
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chuck todd is worse than useless. that clip with elijah cummings was coming else. edit: probably linked already but hoo boy is he a piece of poo poo dumbass. https://twitter.com/mattshuham/status/1066772199124684801
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Whoo boy who thought that the mask would slip this fast and in such a racist direction
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Squalid posted:Well then I guess it’s a good thing Trump is bringing heavy industry back to America! this is remarkably demonstrative of the pathology at play. the idea is not that "these jobs can be done safely." the technocrat assumes, inherently, that -someone- has to die in order to maintain the current pricing regime. to him, the only question is who we're going to kill to keep his slacks cheap. and the best defense he can offer is smugly offering "well, what if we started killing white people instead, huh, smart guy?"
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Fulchrum posted:So your problem is that it isn't addressing the very real possibility of China once more finding the monkey king who will provide all the wealth they need? ...what? The state of China and other Asian countries today is directly due to fuckery by European empires and the United States, and today we benefit from modern colonialism in the form of cheap sweatshop labor. If you look at that and say "well it technically has increased their standard of living" and not "wow this is super hosed up we should do something to make sure nobody has to be poor anymore" maybe you're a bad person.
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1glitch0 posted:Dude has been terrible for like 15 years. He was writing dumb trash before the Iraq invasion. His tweeting has gotten a lot better recently.
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Nov 25, 2018 23:17
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didn't matty y delete all his tweets cuz he got doxed? kind of a weird reaction. it's not like that undoxes you.
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Lightning Knight posted:...what? The state of China and other Asian countries today is directly due to fuckery by European empires and the United States, and today we benefit from modern colonialism in the form of cheap sweatshop labor. If you look at that and say "well it technically has increased their standard of living" and not "wow this is super hosed up we should do something to make sure nobody has to be poor anymore" maybe you're a bad person. I'm thinking here that his random racist tirade very thinly masked as criticism of people to his left is a pretty big signal of this tbh
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Great! Ana Maria Salazar was just on CNN and stated, matter of factly, that the caravan that's at the border was obviously funded by "a man who has aligned himself against the president" but didn't say Soros. Wasn't questioned on it at all!
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Nov 25, 2018 23:19
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Fulchrum posted:So your problem is that it isn't addressing the very real possibility of China once more finding the monkey king who will provide all the wealth they need? an interesting little piece of projection here lol
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Nov 25, 2018 23:20
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volts5000 posted:Great! Ana Maria Salazar was just on CNN and stated, matter of factly, that the caravan that's at the border was obviously funded by "a man who has aligned himself against the president". Wasn't questioned on it at all! The fact that an actual Nazi murdered nearly a dozen Jewish people at worship and still nobody bats an eye at antisemitic conspiracy mongering by Republicans indicates that nothing will make the media question them.
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volts5000 posted:Great! Ana Maria Salazar was just on CNN and stated, matter of factly, that the caravan that's at the border was obviously funded by "a man who has aligned himself against the president". Wasn't questioned on it at all! corporate media is insanely horny for war at all times remember when trump did that staged missile strike and cnn couldn't stop jacking off about how great missiles were Lightning Knight posted:The fact that an actual Nazi murdered nearly a dozen Jewish people at worship and still nobody bats an eye at antisemitic conspiracy mongering by Republicans indicates that nothing will make the media question them. trump isn't actually wrong when he calls the media the enemy of the people(though he's wrong about why)
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Yinlock posted:corporate media is insanely horny for war at all times That day was the day Trump became President 
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Yinlock posted:corporate media is insanely horny for war at all times or when he used a widow (that he created unnecessarily in a raid that also killed a little girl) as a prop during a speech and that was the moment he truly became president.
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Groovelord Neato posted:didn't matty y delete all his tweets cuz he got doxed? kind of a weird reaction. it's not like that undoxes you. He tweeted that he didn't feel bad for Tucker Carlson.
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Phi230 posted:https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2014/08/exposing-great-poverty-reductio-201481211590729809.html quote:It also shows that poverty is getting worse, not better, with nearly 353 million more people impoverished today than in 1981. With China taken out of the equation, that number shoots up to 852 million If math isn't your strong suit, that means that China accounts for 499 million people lifted out of poverty. Lightning Knight posted:...what? The state of China and other Asian countries today is directly due to fuckery by European empires and the United States, and today we benefit from modern colonialism in the form of cheap sweatshop labor. If you look at that and say "well it technically has increased their standard of living" and not "wow this is super hosed up we should do something to make sure nobody has to be poor anymore" maybe you're a bad person. Once again, you are presenting "it SHOULD be" as if it were an effective argument, and completely ignoring everything else. You seem to think that just cause you like an option, no matter how outlandish, that makes it a valid option, without actually factoring in the reality surrounding it. If you were to go up to the average Chinese person, and say "don't worry, we're going to get rid of these jobs, and will just hope really hjard that something better takes their place", they aren't going to be grateful. Also, China's problems have a lot more to do with the Great Leap Forward than anything that America did to them. Fulchrum fucked around with this message at 23:26 on Nov 25, 2018 |
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Nov 25, 2018 23:24
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Yinlock posted:corporate media is insanely horny for war at all times Because it gets ratings because people watch it, either out of morbid excitement, fascination, or fear. Money is the driving factor behind everything. Ban companies from making profit that is not immediately paid as wages to employees (not disbursements to owners) or reinvested into the company for purposes of growth and bringing on more employees.
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Fulchrum posted:Once again, you are presenting "it SHOULD be" as if it were an effective argument, and completely ignoring everything else. You seem to think that just cause you like an option, no matter how outlandish, that makes it a valid option, without actually factoring in the reality surrounding it. Better things aren't possible, etc. Also the fact that China was in a position where the Great Leap Forward occurred was directly because of how they were treated by imperial powers, particularly Britain, and because we looked the other way and even assisted while Japan poo poo all over them.
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Nov 25, 2018 23:25
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Fulchrum posted:What exactly is the average standard of living in China today versus 30 years ago? would you like to work in one of foxconn's suicide factories?
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Nov 25, 2018 23:28
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Ice Phisherman posted:They actually don't benefit more than the foundry owners. Wages haven't gone up for them. There were talks of a strike that were big in September. Not sure if that was resolved or not. There's obvious a lot of nuance in this issue. I think it is important though to establish and maintain the principle that trade is good, because there are lots of people of all political stripes who continue to deny this. Free trade is basically always better than the alternative, but that doesn't mean we don't have to manage the disruption it can cause. The absolute nonsense around the TPP debate illustrates why this is important. Lightning Knight posted:...what? The state of China and other Asian countries today is directly due to fuckery by European empires and the United States, and today we benefit from modern colonialism in the form of cheap sweatshop labor. If you look at that and say "well it technically has increased their standard of living" and not "wow this is super hosed up we should do something to make sure nobody has to be poor anymore" maybe you're a bad person. What do you propose the US government do "to make sure nobody has to be poor anymore"?
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Squalid posted:What do you propose the US government do "to make sure nobody has to be poor anymore"? I mean, socialism? Like I know that's considered this crazy ridiculous notion but we're also all going to die to global warming fairly soon so smugly declaring that nothing except for mediocre incrementalism is the path forward is almost comical.
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Lightning Knight posted:Better things aren't possible, etc. Also the fact that China was in a position where the Great Leap Forward occurred was directly because of how they were treated by imperial powers, particularly Britain, and because we looked the other way and even assisted while Japan poo poo all over them. What do you argue we do, now, to improve things for impoverished Chinese workers? This question is also directed at Fulchrum and everybody else arguing with him. Seriously, it looks like all of you are arguing 2 different subjects that are related enough that they seem like they're the same and just getting angrier and angrier at one another. Edit: Lightning Knight posted:I mean, socialism? Like I know that's considered this crazy ridiculous notion but we're also all going to die to global warming fairly soon so smugly declaring that nothing except for mediocre incrementalism is the path forward is almost comical. So establish a socialist state in the US and begin backing socialist factions in other countries? I can get behind that.
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Lightning Knight posted:Better things aren't possible, etc. Also the fact that China was in a position where the Great Leap Forward occurred was directly because of how they were treated by imperial powers, particularly Britain, and because we looked the other way and even assisted while Japan poo poo all over them. We JUST had a loving 12 page derail about how America dropping the atomic bomb on Japan was the worst thing evar (loving tankie Weebs), and America should have just allowed Japan to hold onto its conquered areas of China and Korea rather than fight. Now you come out with poo poo that America didn't do enough to stop them? Seriously?
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Lightning Knight posted:I mean, socialism? Like I know that's considered this crazy ridiculous notion but we're also all going to die to global warming fairly soon so smugly declaring that nothing except for mediocre incrementalism is the path forward is almost comical. There's no convincing people like Squalid on this issue. Scum like him value profits over people's lives.
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Squalid posted:What do you propose the US government do "to make sure nobody has to be poor anymore"? maybe use some of the trillions of dollars they give to themselves it would be insanely easy to stop poverty entirely
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Fulchrum posted:Once again, you are presenting "it SHOULD be" as if it were an effective argument, and completely ignoring everything else. You seem to think that just cause you like an option, no matter how outlandish, that makes it a valid option, without actually factoring in the reality surrounding it. Son, we live in a world that has rapidly fattening men, and those men's gunts have to be covered up by men in sweatshops. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Bangladesh and you curse free trade. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know; that pulverizing three hundred people in order to save money on building codes, while tragic, probably saved me ten bucks. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, *saves money*. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me in that sweatshop. You need me in that sweatshop. We use words like pragmatism, efficiency, inevitability. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending nothing. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very cheap fabrics that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide them! I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and gun down a striking worker. Either way, I don't give a *drat* what you think you are entitled to!
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Failed Imagineer posted:This is pretty cool imo. Does NEU also control North Africa? Not sure at this point, the NEU's world order (get it) is largely U.S., Russia, China, and a bunch of vassal states. The logo is more to make the NEU some sort of nega-UN, with America largely the frontrunner, imposing it's will on lesser nations (much Europe, Africa, South America). The other thing is that this project is that it's a Christapocapunk dystopia, which, if you've been following the FATAL and Friends thread, was this genre of '90s games based around religious apocalypse. The NEU is basically the Beast from Revelations.
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Fulchrum posted:We JUST had a loving 12 page derail about how America dropping the atomic bomb on Japan was the worst thing evar (loving tankie Weebs), and America should have just allowed Japan to hold onto its conquered areas of China and Korea rather than fight. Now you come out with poo poo that America didn't do enough to stop them? Seriously? Dropping the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki wasn't necessary to extract an unconditional surrender from Japan, which we needed to do. I do not see how these are inconsistent positions. We also didn't need to supply Japan oil when they were invading China. Mr.Unique-Name posted:So establish a socialist state in the US and begin backing socialist factions in other countries? I can get behind that. I mean yes but also more broadly, taking money away from the rich in the developed world and using it to alleviate poverty in the developing world, and redesigning trade policy to be equitable and fair to workers rather than capital.
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Lightning Knight posted:Better things aren't possible, etc. Also the fact that China was in a position where the Great Leap Forward occurred was directly because of how they were treated by imperial powers, particularly Britain, and because we looked the other way and even assisted while Japan poo poo all over them. i am pretty sure it was directly because mao was super full of poo poo and magical thinking and he believed stalin era Lysenko "science" and then added his own dumb ideas to it like killing all the sparrows and trying to have peasants make steel and surrounding himself with lickspittles who faked results for food surpluses. the qing could have been a world power if they had gotten their poo poo together and done major reforms and embraced technology. instead like the reactionaries they were, they clung to their power until it was too late and they got hosed by everyone. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 23:38 on Nov 25, 2018 |
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Fulchrum posted:So your problem is that it isn't addressing the very real possibility of China once more finding the monkey king who will provide all the wealth they need? Nice casual racism.
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:Son, we live in a world that has rapidly fattening men, and those men's gunts have to be covered up by men in sweatshops... Marvellous
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Mr.Unique-Name posted:
REAL trotsky hours who tf UP???
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Lightning Knight posted:Dropping the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki wasn't necessary to extract an unconditional surrender from Japan, which we needed to do. I do not see how these are inconsistent positions. We also didn't need to supply Japan oil when they were invading China. imagine if we used the trillions we waste on planes that can barely fly on fighting global poverty instead oh well, guess we have to uplift people by exploiting them with sweatshops so terrible the sweatshops have nets installed to prevent embarassing suicides
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What is it with the hardcore centrist fanboy brigade members constantly outing themselves as defenders of literal loving sweatshops?
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i am pretty sure it was because mao was super full of poo poo and magical thinking and he believed stalin era Lysenko "science" and then added his own dumb ideas to it like killing all the sparrows and trying to have peasents make steel and surrounding himself with lickspittles who faked results. I mean yes, Mao was pretty bad, but the question is why Mao was able to come to power, which brings us back to Japan's invasion of China, the partitioning of China under the imperial powers, the Opium Wars, etc. He didn't just magically plop down one day and declare the PRC from nothing.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:I was actually curious what you thought on the topic, as the only goon I know of who actually goes out and engages in direct action rather than just posting about how great it is on the internet. I have friends that punch nazis. I've never told them not to, I've just asserted my own pledge to radical pacifism and then mumbled about diversity of tactics. But, as I've said, I've since revised my position. I helped remove some Constantina wire at standing rock. Late night, throw chain across river, hooking the wire, attach to trucks tow bar - and drive. I've stood off with national Guard, knowing they cannot shoot me or arrest me. I've caught a lung full of tear gas. I've been pepper sprayed - naked and in a passive pose - by a line of riot cops. I wish I could be in tijuana right now. I feel for those humans so hard.
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Cerebral Bore posted:What is it with the hardcore centrist fanboy brigade members constantly outing themselves as defenders of literal loving sweatshops? Well you already know the answer
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Lightning Knight posted:I mean, socialism? Like I know that's considered this crazy ridiculous notion but we're also all going to die to global warming fairly soon so smugly declaring that nothing except for mediocre incrementalism is the path forward is almost comical. I find this answer a bit hard to interpret as many of the countries criticized for sweatshop labor like China and Vietnam are already socialist. I mean like what does this mean in practice? I admit I'm a bit skeptical of the idea that if we give ownership of the means of production to Pennsylvania steelworkers they are going immediately seek to transfer billions of their new found wealth to the Chinese. Just giving people stuff doesn't necessarily improve conditions anyway if local elites can steal it. We want create domestic industry and build human capital, and that's hard. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Lightning Knight posted:...what? The state of China and other Asian countries today is directly due to fuckery by European empires and the United States, and today we benefit from modern colonialism in the form of cheap sweatshop labor. If you look at that and say "well it technically has increased their standard of living" and not "wow this is super hosed up we should do something to make sure nobody has to be poor anymore" maybe you're a bad person. His argument is also either/or in terms of "sweatshop capitalism is the only way living conditions could have ever improved" which is obviously wrong and btw I really don't understand how you haven't banned him yet for being an obvious bad faith liar. I know you think it's useful for people to see counter arguments to his trash posts but there are plenty of other trash posters who aren't arguing in bad faith we could reply to.
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Cerebral Bore posted:What is it with the hardcore centrist fanboy brigade members constantly outing themselves as defenders of literal loving sweatshops? Fishook theory
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