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Lightning Knight posted:The media are like puppies, if you throw too many sticks at once they'll just seize up and whine plaintively at you for being confusing. Sadly, unlike puppies, the media is neither huggable nor lovable. I don't know about that, if you squint hard enough Chuck Todd starts to look like a chipmunk.
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Squalid posted:you seem to have interpreted the world "reinvade" in a very strange and counter-intuitive way. W/e though, I'll leave you to your dreams of a fantasy land where everything is sunshine and flowers. You clearly have no interest in what it takes to get there. Lol I find it funny that you are so condescending when you don't actually organize for change at all, are constantly wrong, and don't even take the time to educate yourself about alternatives Apparently your solution to the world's problems merely is voting democrat and that lets you be a smug know it all? Building a socialist movement, especially in America, takes time. Building socialism will take time. Programs that we will implement on the way there will benefit the majority of people. But apparently you think policy goals like singlepayer healthcare, worker ownership, et all are impossible without actually doing any of the work to build support for those things. Phi230 fucked around with this message at 00:49 on Nov 26, 2018 |
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Lightning Knight posted:The point, and this is key, is that in an alternative timeline where we did not drop either nuclear weapon but the Soviets still declared war and invaded Manchuria, the Japanese still almost certainly surrender at this point. Perhaps it wouldn't have come as swiftly, but the reality that the Soviets were within striking distance of the mainland was still an existential threat for them with no escape. The big question is this: what's the tipping point? Is there ever a point where the Japanese Emperor makes the conscious decision, in the timeline where the atomic bomb is never dropped, that it is not worth fighting anymore? The situation at the time did not suggest as much.
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Neera Tanden would approve. Really hope the stupidity in the Sea of Azov isn't used for the USA to get itself even more dragged into that idiotic conflict.
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:The big question is this: what's the tipping point? Is there ever a point where the Japanese Emperor makes the conscious decision, in the timeline where the atomic bomb is never dropped, that it is not worth fighting anymore? The situation at the time did not suggest as much. Xae made a variation of this argument that I think is actually compelling and I concede is a decent one, and even in his post he notes that the US had alternatives re: offering Japan specific terms. I think I would argue that the important point is that there were alternatives to "let's vaporize two cities and kill hundreds of thousands of civilians" that went unexplored, and given that they had reasonable chances to bring about a similar outcome, simply declaring that the nuclear bombings were absolutely necessary seems facile.  From this point forward, shut the gently caress up about the nuclear bombings of Japan unless they are actually materially newsworthy today. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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No poo poo, he said this like a dozen times during the campaign
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:The big question is this: what's the tipping point? Is there ever a point where the Japanese Emperor makes the conscious decision, in the timeline where the atomic bomb is never dropped, that it is not worth fighting anymore? The situation at the time did not suggest as much. That's flat out not true. It's generally agreed that the Emperor was resigned to the fate of losing, and the generals were the ones wanting to continue, there's no reason to think that Hirohito would never have called it off. Furthermore, there was miscommunication between Japan and the US (it's uncertain how intentional this was, it could have been to some degree mistranslation), and there is reason to believe Japan was trying to open a door to talks before the bombing of Nagasaki. Everyone who is saying it was the bomb or something worse first of all can't know that for sure (all historical what-if conversations can never be won), and also seem to not care about learning any details or facts about it. I think this derail is stupid, personally, as most of the derails and rehashed arguments are getting, but people who are casually excusing the use of the atomic bomb or what-abouting it need to take a hard look in the mirror. edit: Posted before seeing the request to drop it, so no more out of me. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1066799500407255040 Photo of the year right here. Jesus.
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From awhile back but it's not an exciting story. I was walking to the store and minding my own drat business when a car of stranger rear end white dudes drove past hollering epiphets and threw a loving full rear end Gatorade(??) bottle at me. It only hit my ankle (it was summer and I was wearing shorts) but it hurt like a motherfucker.
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Groovelord Neato posted:chuck todd is worse than useless. that clip with elijah cummings was coming else. The answer should be, "If Republicans ever get the majority back, they can change back the rule. They don't get to trample norms when it suits them and ask for fairness when it doesn't. Do you think the Republicans would have granted us subpoena power had they won the House?"
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Sooo-ahh, sorry bout those half a mil civvies dead, but would it kill you to throw something our way?
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Alabama GOP: Sessions not guaranteed to win back his old seat posted:Too early to prognosticate on ... Sessions’ plans. Republican will win the seat so long as that republican is not named Roy Moore,” Luther Strange told POLITICO in an email. 
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booseek posted:The answer should be, "If Republicans ever get the majority back, they can change back the rule. They don't get to trample norms when it suits them and ask for fairness when it doesn't. Do you think the Republicans would have granted us subpoena power had they won the House?" It goes back to that video from the Alt Right Playbook guy. There is logic in comporting yourself in the way you demand your opponents comport themselves, but Process can't be an end unto itself anymore. The enemy has made it very clear that they can't be trusted and that they will break any rule they want to get their Ends. If they took a power away from you, even if you think that power existing is fundamentally right, you cannot and should not give it back to them because they will never let you have it. Unless it has some tangible benefit for you to give it to them. See the debate about Schumer putting back the judicial filibuster if the Dems had won the Senate. That arguably could have had benefits until Trump leaves office. In the case of subpeona power, there's no benefit in giving it back because it's only going to be use for obstruction.
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1066799500407255040 Strollers and kids in diapers and they use tear gas. Absolute loving cowards
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terrorist ambulance posted:Strollers and kids in diapers and they use tear gas. Absolute loving cowards Right-wing: "These families aren't poor! They can afford strollers and diapers! Do you know how expensive diapers are?! The girl even has flip flops on. They look like Havaianas!"
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Some uh, mind cleanse because holy poo poo today is bad https://twitter.com/raccooons/status/1066764029064994816
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1066799500407255040 gently caress this country
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Ague Proof posted:https://twitter.com/existentialfish/status/1066716394740490240 Lol, relax government regulations. Why yes, the answer to global warming is rivers that literally catch on fire
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Footage of the tear gas attack https://www.facebook.com/1220776108/posts/10213438871545808/ Edit. More from Now This News https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1066866674689851392?s=21 theblackw0lf fucked around with this message at 02:37 on Nov 26, 2018 |
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Nyope: that's my limit for a bit. I'm taking sabbatical from politics and news in general, you guys keep the fires burning.
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:Photo of the year right here. Jesus. 100% it will be used in triumph by the right. Like I expect to see it in silhouette as one of those black-on-yellow road signs.
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terrorist ambulance posted:Strollers and kids in diapers and they use tear gas. Absolute loving cowards They gleefully threw kids in cages. Does anyone think they'd draw the line at tear gas? Not directing this at you, personally, it's more of a generalization.
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family separation? not only is it not my policy, i didn't even do anything or announce anything or change anything at all - fake news! https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1066873981293260801
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eke out posted:family separation? not only is it not my policy, i didn't even do anything or announce anything or change anything at all - fake news! "But he started it!" lol he argues like a child. That's literally what my 10 year old says when he's in trouble for fighting with his brother.
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Your Taint posted:"But he started it!" https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1066876053170339840 he doubles down. loving eastern Europe might turn into a warzone and border agents fired tear gas at kids. but "WAHH WAHH what about me"
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1066799500407255040 The folks shooting tear gas would greatly benefit from a good hanging, Nuremberg-style. EDIT: Just to be clear, not a lynching. Justice must be done fairly and in front of the world. PT6A fucked around with this message at 03:21 on Nov 26, 2018 |
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theblackw0lf posted:Footage of the tear gas attack Every piece of poo poo who voted for Trump was voting for this. This sadism is a feature, not a bug.
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I don't know if you all are watching it but Netflix has a new show hosted by Hasan Minaj and todays episode is all about the Trump immigration policy
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:I don't know if you all are watching it but Netflix has a new show hosted by Hasan Minaj and todays episode is all about the Trump immigration policy Political comedy shows have become extremely unpalatable. I don't think I can handle a new one on top of the already crowded and tired stack of shows. The only one that can be tolerated is John Oliver, and even he pushes it.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:I don't know if you all are watching it but Netflix has a new show hosted by Hasan Minaj and todays episode is all about the Trump immigration policy Really liked his episode on AA. The show is decent, but the editing is pretty weird.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:I don't know if you all are watching it but Netflix has a new show hosted by Hasan Minaj and todays episode is all about the Trump immigration policy This is a pro watch, fyi.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Political comedy shows have become extremely unpalatable. I don't think I can handle a new one on top of the already crowded and tired stack of shows. i regret to inform you that john oliver is now liked by normal people and therefore you will be sent to a reeducation camp for this sentiment
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GreyjoyBastard posted:i regret to inform you that john oliver is now liked by normal people and therefore you will be sent to a reeducation camp for this sentiment That list is essentially infinity, plus It's not a healthy idea to let this thread's combined will dictate your media consumption. It will end badly.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Political comedy shows have become extremely unpalatable. I don't think I can handle a new one on top of the already crowded and tired stack of shows. Oliver's coverage of Brazil turned me off bigly.
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