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My dumb range story is that I got sent out to qualify in January for some reason, I think my stuff from basic got lost, and it was -10 that day. We didn't have a nice facility to go warm up in at the time, the place was a quarry, the only building being a tiny little shack with a propane heater. The lovely earplugs they gave us didn't want to stay in for long probably due to how cold it was. So I stopped trying to keep them in after half an hour. My ears were still ringing the next day. Oops.
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Malachite_Dragon posted:So how high did he get promoted? Because if this thread has taught me anything, people actually getting punished is a pipe dream. That's only for NCOs and Officers as far as I can tell. Last time I saw that guy he was handcuffed to a gurny with corpsman sedating him, none too gently. He was screaming for his mommy.
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Nov 25, 2018 10:02
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As Nero Danced posted:The only ND I've ever seen was a guy making GBS threads his pants. Is the Rip-It Shits story in this thread somewhere?
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Nov 25, 2018 13:55
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shame on an IGA posted:DC ANG pumped a New Jersey elementary school full of 20mm in '04 quote:Terry Hickman, a 10-year Army special forces veteran, defended the range and the pilots who train there. Hang all
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Nov 25, 2018 16:50
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Stultus Maximus posted:Hang all F-16’s, well known for their pilot fatality rates!
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Nov 25, 2018 16:58
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Ugly In The Morning posted:F-16’s, well known for their pilot fatality rates! They DID inherit the lawn-dart nickname. Usually the pilot gets out before impact, though.
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Nov 25, 2018 20:27
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quote:A recent software change in the F-16 allowed the externally mounted targeting pod to stabilize on a spot on the earth when the avionics were in Air to Ground Mode, Strafe Sub-Mode. The pilot intended to fire a laser at a strafe target located on the range. The laser and gun share the same trigger. The pilot pulled the trigger, firing not only the laser but also the internal M61 Vulcan cannon, discharging 27 rounds of 20mm ammunition which struck the ground, eight striking the school's roof and the rest hitting the parking lot and the side of the building. whoops
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Nov 25, 2018 21:19
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That range later got shut down for a year because they let a forest fire get off the range.
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Nov 25, 2018 21:22
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Viva Miriya posted:whoops So, any reason the guy had the targeting pod on the school in the first place?
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Nov 25, 2018 21:59
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CainFortea posted:So, any reason the guy had the targeting pod on the school in the first place? It was pointed 90 degrees to the left at the target. The problem is the Vulcan still points forward.
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Nov 25, 2018 22:01
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CainFortea posted:So, any reason the guy had the targeting pod on the school in the first place? He didn't. quote:The aircraft was within the training range, as was the target that the laser was pointed at, which was approximately 90 degrees to the side of the aircraft. However, the cannon fires to the front of the aircraft.
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Nov 25, 2018 22:02
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Viva Miriya posted:The laser and gun share the same trigger. Ah, the RDR2 control scheme.
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Nov 25, 2018 22:14
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CainFortea posted:So, any reason the guy had the targeting pod on the school in the first place? article says chitoryu12 posted:It was pointed 90 degrees to the left at the target. The problem is the Vulcan still points forward.
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Nov 25, 2018 22:21
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The pilot should have known his gun was armed and used the same trigger. What a schmuck.
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Nov 26, 2018 01:51
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An aircraft shouldn't have a control system whereby two weapons which behave very differently are activated by the same trigger.
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Nov 26, 2018 01:56
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Oh, you're not wrong, there is a very long chain of dumbassery which was exposed by that incident. Lots of "eh, it'll be fine" going on.
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Nov 26, 2018 02:35
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Didn’t SpaceshipOne crash because a pilot deployed the speed brakes in flight and the computer allowed it because the designers had assumed “our pilots are too experienced to make this mistake”?
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Nov 26, 2018 02:42
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I'm reminded of how I have trouble going from modern "left trigger to aim" games to older "left trigger throws grenade" games, except way dumber.
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Nov 26, 2018 04:32
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A Bad Poster posted:I'm reminded of how I have trouble going from modern "left trigger to aim" games to older "left trigger throws grenade" games, except way dumber. You play fps games on a console? You're in the right thread for sure.
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Nov 26, 2018 06:44
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Memento posted:gently caress me sideways Idiot here: why is this bad?
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Patrick Spens posted:Idiot here: why is this bad?
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Nov 26, 2018 07:36
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Patrick Spens posted:Idiot here: why is this bad? They are presumably firing the M203 grenade launcher on the M203 range so if you rest the barrel on something you'll be putting a barrier directly in front of the grenade launcher. This will give bad results when the grenade launcher is fired. Casimir Radon posted:with an actual grenade you and those near you would probably die. Do they have a minimum arming distance? If they do it probably wouldn't explode although it'd still be pretty dangerous.
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Nov 26, 2018 07:37
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the 203 thing is fairly common with the orange training rounds due to the fact that there is less over sight than a live grenade range.
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Nov 26, 2018 07:47
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They do have a minimum distance, but just like cooking off grenades I trust that poo poo about as far as I can ram it up my own rear end. Lowest bidder contract and all that.
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Nov 26, 2018 07:49
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Never forget that Halliburton makes your frag fuses.
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Nov 26, 2018 08:09
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The 203 is armed by rotation if I recall correctly. Sort of related to distance
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Nov 26, 2018 08:19
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Yeah it's at least 50 feet to arm. It's still going to scare the poo poo out of everyone around you when you put it straight into the wall in front of you instead of downrange, marker rounds or not. The only ND I saw when I was in the Reserves (weekend warriors wassup) was an idiot practising quick-draw drills with his Hi Power when the RO wasn't looking during pistol quals. Put a bullet into the bench in front of him, about a centimetre away from his box of 9mm. I dunno how he managed it, I remember the trigger pull being pretty heavy on those, like everything else about that gun.
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not caring here posted:They do have a minimum distance, but just like cooking off grenades I trust that poo poo about as far as I can ram it up my own rear end.
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Nov 26, 2018 08:46
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Memento posted:The only ND I saw when I was in the Reserves (weekend warriors wassup) was an idiot practising quick-draw drills with his Hi Power when the RO wasn't looking during pistol quals. Put a bullet into the bench in front of him, about a centimetre away from his box of 9mm. I dunno how he managed it, I remember the trigger pull being pretty heavy on those, like everything else about that gun. It's DA/SA if I'm not mistaken, so he could've easily had it cocked (either from firing or holstering at condition 1/0), which drastically lowers the trigger pull, and is very stupid.
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Nov 26, 2018 09:43
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Back in 2001, one MP who had been in a college buddy's squad managed to ND his pistol straight into the head of one of his fellow MP's. That's a big oops right there.
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Nov 26, 2018 10:55
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Kemper Boyd posted:Back in 2001, one MP who had been in a college buddy's squad managed to ND his pistol straight into the head of one of his fellow MP's. When I was a kid I saw one of my cousins accidentally shoot our uncle right in the head. I hadn’t gone back to hunting until this year because that one incident made me extremely skiddish about being around rednecks and guns in the deer woods. It was a dumb accident but that’s what happens when you arm a goddamn 12 year old. 
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And that's why giving guns to children is a dumb idea.
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LtCol J. Krusinski posted:When I was a kid I saw one of my cousins accidentally shoot our uncle right in the head. I hadn’t gone back to hunting until this year because that one incident made me extremely skiddish about being around rednecks and guns in the deer woods. gently caress. People ask me all the time, "Take your kids shooting yet?". Nope. Not until he's old enough to buy one on his own.
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I like comparing kids and guns to kids and pets. You don't start your kids off immediately with a dog, you get them a goldfish or beta or something low maintenance like that to teach them responsibility. If they mess up, no big deal, the fish will probably be fine. Eventually you work your way up to a hamster or guinea pig if they demonstrate enough responsibility. Same with guns. Give the kid a nerf gun or water pistol and if they can't resist shooting people with it, then they aren't ready for anything that can do real damage. And guess what? Some people are never responsible enough to have pets, just likely some people are never responsible enough to own a gun.
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Anecdotes being what they are... My first actual firearm was given to me at 16, though I'd had a BB gun since 8 and had been duck hunting since 10, with smaller shotguns like a .410 double and the A5 Twenty I received at 16. My father explained all the rules very clearly, drilled me on them regularly, and also outlined the consequences of breaking those rules, to the tune of "I will likely die and be gone forever, or at least be maimed for life" which scared the ever-loving poo poo out of me. We also went out and practiced regularly before hunting outings. I ain't shot anyone, and the only AD I've ever had was due to a mal-adjusted adjustable trigger mechanism on my Winchester Model 75. I thank the above training and experience for having me keep the gun pointed at the ground when I chambered the round and the firing pin dropped, because it fuckin' scared the poo poo out of me. I've cut loose friends from range trips because my super-anal firearms safety techniques "annoy" them.
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Speaking of 203s and idiots, I was in a firefight one time where an idiot got a little too enthusiastic to shoot some grenades into a wadi we were taking fire from. He had his sling blocking the 203 barrel, and when he fired the 40mm got caught up in the sling and dropped to his feet at his fighting position. Naturally, he ran without telling the other two guys what had just happened, besides the cursory, "Oh gently caress." I was running down the line and about to enter that fighting position when I saw the other two guys come running out and yelling at me to not go in there. After a couple moments, one of the guys pumps himself up and starts breathing real hard and then runs back into the fighting position, grabs the grenade, and chucks it as hard as he can at the enemy. Balls of motherfucking steel on that dude, let me tell you.
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Wasabi the J posted:It's DA/SA if I'm not mistaken, so he could've easily had it cocked (either from firing or holstering at condition 1/0), which drastically lowers the trigger pull, and is very stupid. The Hi-Power is single-action, but it has a magazine safety that makes the trigger heavier than normal.
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UP THE BUM NO BABY posted:Speaking of 203s and idiots, I was in a firefight one time where an idiot got a little too enthusiastic to shoot some grenades into a wadi we were taking fire from. He had his sling blocking the 203 barrel, and when he fired the 40mm got caught up in the sling and dropped to his feet at his fighting position. Naturally, he ran without telling the other two guys what had just happened, besides the cursory, "Oh gently caress." Bless ya'lls luck
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Memento posted:Yeah it's at least 50 feet to arm. It's still going to scare the poo poo out of everyone around you when you put it straight into the wall in front of you instead of downrange, marker rounds or not. oh hello there fellow CF weekend warrior let me tell you about the time I spent more time clearing stoppages on my 50 year old HiPo in a jungle lane than actually shooting it
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