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Your Taint posted:DEBATE MY FRIEND AND I'LL MODERATE AND IT'LL BE TOTES FAIR I SWEAR DEBATE ME! DEBATE HIM! I WAS PRESIDENT OF MY HIGH SCHOOL DEBATE TEAM! - 
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WoodrowSkillson posted:btw its cool and good to have a directly personal reason to hate trump as the main reason ford and gm are making these cuts is the tariffs Is that like a known fact? The stated reason, and this has been the case for years now, is cars aren't selling and these factories, by and large, build cars. The Lordstown plant only builds the Chevy Cruze, which ain't selling. Not saying tariffs don't play a part but I'm not sure it's the main cause here, and believe me if it were I'd be glad to point it out. This trend though away from sedans and towards crossovers and SUVs has been going on for many years, plus with sales falling off record setting peaks which again, began their decline before most of the tariffs were in place. Tariffs don't help but I don't think they're most of the cause of today's bloodletting. EDIT To be fair, it may be part of their future projections though, for how little money they'd stand to make (or how much they'd lose) continuing to build sedans, a thin profit margin vehicle to begin with. VH4Ever fucked around with this message at 19:04 on Nov 26, 2018 |
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was great when shapiro and kirk had a melt down over her likening their calls for debate to catcalling because they didn't understand what she was saying.
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DaveWoo posted:https://twitter.com/jpodhoretz/status/1067102717573775360 Speaking as someone who has not only gone through the gas chamber in Boot Camp but also having had a CO who believed that we should "get used to CS" and thus liked to drop the random CS grenade in the middle of training exercises with no advanced warning, I strongly believe that John Podhoretz and every person who likes that loving tweet as well as anyone else minimizing how loving horrific being subjected to CS is should be forced to go experience it first loving hand. For the uninitiated. The first thing is that you don't breath it. Your lungs simply won't draw it in. When I went through training I made the mistake the first time of not taking a deep enough break before breaking the seal on my mask and so I didn't have sufficient air in my lungs to clear it after resealing. So my first urge was to take a breath and I just couldn't. My lungs were just like "gently caress you I'm not letting that poo poo in" while this is going on every bit of mucus in your body is forcefully expelled from your nose and eyes. It's loving miserable and even when you know that it's coming. I've also noticed that it's almost universally chicken hawks that make these stupid arguments. Skex fucked around with this message at 19:06 on Nov 26, 2018 |
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:The one thing AOC could do that would be better than everything she's already done is continue to flat-out refuse these debate challenges. Manchildren like Charlie Kirk and Ben Shapiro need to feel like big men, and literally all they'd do is Gish Gallop her into submission. Deny them the opportunity to make headlines and money off dumb people. Just keep saying "Yeah, I have an actual job to do that doesn't involve grifting stupid people." Honestly her response should just be a flat “nah.” It’s the exact amount of consideration they deserve.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:Yeah, im in the process of getting unemployment and poo poo right now its awesome. When unemployment inevitably doesn't pay and you have no clue why, dont waste time trying the support number or going in person. Call your state rep pr senators office and tell them you aren't getting paid and can't reach anyone to try and find out why. Generally unemployment will call you within 24 hours and fix it. I'm 99% sure they are under orders to come up with excuses not to pay because most people won't know to do this and it's literally impossible to even get on hold for the customer support #. Oh and going in person requires being at the Detroit office an hour before it opens unless you want to literally sit there all day. It was bad enough last time I tried that they wouldn't even let more people wait after 11 am because they wouldn't get to them before closing.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:They want a denial also so they can tweet "debate me you coward" for internet points. Best course is ignoring them. ...which they will continue to do for as long as AOC is an elected official whether she ignores them or ridicules them. At least if she ridicules them we'll get some laughs out of it.
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Jaxyon posted:Oh yeah that's a trap and people fall into it all the time with climate deniers and creationists. see: the premise of the movie 'denial'
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:...which they will continue to do for as long as AOC is an elected official whether she ignores them or ridicules them. At least if she ridicules them we'll get some laughs out of it. Eh. If she engages with them it validates the idea that random shitters on the internet are owed the time and attention of her. She should do what she sees as best, but imo not acknowledging them going forward is not a bad plan because she's now an actual congresswoman and they're internet pundits and Young Republican dweebs.
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Lightning Knight posted:Eh. If she engages with them it validates the idea that random shitters on the internet are owed the time and attention of her. She should do what she sees as best, but imo not acknowledging them going forward is not a bad plan because she's now an actual congresswoman and they're internet pundits and Young Republican dweebs. She should dunk on them once on Twitter and move on.
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VH4Ever posted:She should dunk on them once on Twitter and move on. I mean I'll never say no to more AOC Twitter chaosdunks. 
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thegalagakid posted:OAN is Fox News without even a veneer of journalistic integrity. Use this information accordingly. This is assuming Fox News has journalistic integrity.
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eke out posted:it's cute when people act like they've had some kind of revelation about trump as soon as they lose Local Republican looks around and realizes she's in a party with other Republicans. News at 11.
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TulliusCicero posted:The thing is Shapiro is absolute garbage at any "debate" I've seen him in, but his dumb audience see him as their alpha male pedantic hobbit no matter what so ben_shapiro_speaking_from_inside_a_locker.mp3
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Lightning Knight posted:Eh. If she engages with them it validates the idea that random shitters on the internet are owed the time and attention of her. She should do what she sees as best, but imo not acknowledging them going forward is not a bad plan because she's now an actual congresswoman and they're internet pundits and Young Republican dweebs. Yeah. I mean, let's be clear here. These guys are basically bullies, and outside of after school TV specials there's not actually a good way to deal with a bully. The best you can do is just not engage. It doesn't do anything to shut them down or hurt them, but at least you don't personally have to deal with it anymore.
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They have a Pączki Day.  I knew there was a reason I liked Detroit.
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KillHour posted:They have a Pączki Day. Pączki are a big loving deal around Detroit.
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Watching Ben Shapiro turn into Large Marge while AOC remains chill as gently caress would be fun, though.
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mcmagic posted:Local Republican looks around and realizes she's in a party with other Republicans. News at 11. this is actually even more true when you look at the full remarks, where she comes perilously close to actually saying outright that republicans are just racists quote:"The President's behavior towards me made me wonder: What did he have to gain by saying such a thing about a fellow Republican," Love said during her speech in Salt Lake City. "It was not really about asking him to do more, was it? Or was it something else? Well Mr. President, we'll have to chat about that." gonna need to temper this rhetoric if she wants a paid position on fox news
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Paradoxish posted:Yeah. I mean, let's be clear here. These guys are basically bullies, and outside of after school TV specials there's not actually a good way to deal with a bully. The best you can do is just not engage. It doesn't do anything to shut them down or hurt them, but at least you don't personally have to deal with it anymore. Admittedly, it's a no-win scenario for AOC. If she engages the peanut gallery will criticize what she says, if she doesn't the peanut gallery will criticize her for "looking weak." AOC should do AOC and we should just clap and laugh at her sick Twitter burns imo because in the end we're just nobodies on the internet.
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TulliusCicero posted:The thing is Shapiro is absolute garbage at any "debate" I've seen him in, but his dumb audience see him as their alpha male pedantic hobbit no matter what so Isn't it just him literally shouting louder than the person he is debating and then adding in stupid quips to make it seem like he's winning?
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Fart City posted:Honestly her response should just be a flat “nah.” It’s the exact amount of consideration they deserve. a 'lol nah' quote tweet would get like a half million RTs
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:Brain parasites. Meh, they're not wrong that it would be awesome if we could see a woman defeat Trump. Obviously, the problem is that they're not backing a Barbara Lee/Nina Turner 2020 ticket. 
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TulliusCicero posted:The thing is Shapiro is absolute garbage at any "debate" I've seen him in, but his dumb audience see him as their alpha male pedantic hobbit no matter what so Shapiro is absolutely a master at debating. It's just that a verbal "debate" that runs from 15-45 minutes isn't about actual content or merit of argument, it's about memorizing one-liners and having a smart/confident sounding voice. It's closer to being a free-style rap contest than an actual intellectual exchange about societal values or government policy, on any nuance subject verbal debates presentable on youtube is worthless in determining who is right or wrong. Typo fucked around with this message at 19:21 on Nov 26, 2018 |
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Ringo Star Get posted:Isn't it just him literally shouting louder than the person he is debating and then adding in stupid quips to make it seem like he's winning? He also is logical fallacy incarnate "Oh you support Medicare for all? I guess you support all communist policies then!" -  There are Middle schoolers that have more logical arguements than Ben Shapiro
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:
gillibrand good bernie better, but gillibrand good
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KillHour posted:They have a Pączki Day. They also have a horrible rat problem! And if people are struggling with the spelling of Hamtramck, wait til you find out how to pronounce Pączki. 
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eke out posted:this is actually even more true when you look at the full remarks, where she comes perilously close to actually saying outright that republicans are just racists Hollow as poo poo coming from her. She never shows her face in public in her district. She conducted "telephone town halls" so she didn't have to see us. She can gently caress off.
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YodaTFK posted:Most of the sexworkers these idiots are claiming to be reporting are fully legal. They make and sell porn or stream on cam sites or sext. They're going after them because they're mad at women for existing. Ha, that's even better. I can only recall one or two referrals going to audit while I worked there, and they were incredibly detailed, with names, addresses, and notes on exactly which assets weren't being reported. The screen name of some cam girl isn't going to make it past the "received" stamp.
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Medullah posted:They also have a horrible rat problem! "POTCH-key" I live in a huge Polish community in Western/Central MA, don't come at me with the Polish
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:In a way, I think she was even right about Bill Clinton. He should have been punished for that bullshit with Lewinsky--for wasting everyone's time lying about it when telling the truth from the start would have left the Republicans holding their own dicks and bleating about him being a bad husband. But the lying (and even the affair) isn't the really bad part? The bad part is the "becoming sexually involved with someone you have power over" (who is also far, far younger, making the power dynamic even worse). Paradoxish posted:To be fair, this is basically the only possible end result of data-driven politics, especially when there's no willingness to critically analyze the context of the data and/or to treat deeper drives into the data as context. Action x improved metric y by z%, so x is good since z is an acceptable amount of improvement. The more data you have, the easier it is to overwhelm people with "facts" that don't actually say anything useful. This is very true and very frustrating when discussing things with people. A lot of people (particularly on the Democratic/liberal side of things) have internalized the idea of "data/facts being important," but this leads to many situations where they claim a data-based argument is superior to one without data, even if the data in question doesn't prove what they claim it does. Or ones where it's literally impossible to prove the point in question with existing data. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Nov 26, 2018 |
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Typo posted:what are you talking about? No, he's not. Most of his debates turn into him verbally shouting down counter-arguments and making threats. He's a piss poor debater that frequents in logical fallacies faster than a chain smoker with a new pack.
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CommieGIR posted:No, he's not. Most of his debates turn into him verbally shouting down counter-arguments and making threats. He's a piss poor debater that frequents in logical fallacies faster than a chain smoker with a new pack. that's literally exactly what makes somebody a good debater
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Medullah posted:They also have a horrible rat problem! i ordered one at rennfest last friday but they didn't print the little squiggle under the A so I forgot and mispronounced it 
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CommieGIR posted:No, he's not. Most of his debates turn into him verbally shouting down counter-arguments and making threats. He's a piss poor debater that frequents in logical fallacies faster than a chain smoker with a new pack. Yeah, I mean, getting into an argument with a shouting bird doesn’t mean the bird has a valid stance; it means you’re an idiot for talking to a loving bird.
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Typo posted:that's literally exactly what makes somebody a good debater LMAO, do we really need to cycle through the videos where he gets in pissing matches with people in the crowd? He's only a 'Good Debater' in that he's what the Right views as good debate, which is to belittle and gish-gallop away any counterpoints. Fart City posted:Yeah, I mean, getting into an argument with a shouting bird doesn’t mean the bird has a valid stance; it means you’re an idiot for talking to a loving bird. Valid point, but also does not make the bird suddenly become a good debater. It just remains a bird.
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