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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Holy poo poo this is ugly decoration at the WH Missing the ring, 2/10.
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Paradoxish posted:"Demolishing" someone in a debate requires them to either admit that they're wrong or visibly just fall apart, neither of which ever really happen in real life. Unless you're Rick Perry.
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haveblue posted:Unless you're Rick Perry. Or Marco Rubio.
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Typo posted:Which just goes to show that debates are just reality TV, which goes a long way to explain TRUMP Trump was absolutely terrible at his debates, going back to what I posted, it doesn't matter. People agree with who they went in agreeing with.
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Jaxyon posted:Trump was absolutely terrible at his debates, going back to what I posted, it doesn't matter. People agree with who they went in agreeing with. but OTOH on some level people caught up to the open secret that debates are bullshit, which is why TRUMP could get away with metaphorically making GBS threads his pants on stage and still get elected. This probably wouldn't have being as true 25 years ago.
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Chilichimp posted:deleted: they also do live fire exercises but that isn't a justification for shooting at them either
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Typo posted:but OTOH on some level people caught up to the open secret that debates are bullshit, which is why TRUMP could get away with metaphorically making GBS threads his pants on stage and still get elected. This probably wouldn't have being as true 25 years ago. hillary being intensely dislikable didn't do her any favors in the debates.
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Trump did exactly what he needed to in the debates. It was Clinton who loving sucked.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:i don't clearly remember the debates but if this is true it makes me sad Look folks, just remember: in 1960 the first ever televised debate happened between Nixon and JFK. Everyone who tuned in saw a confident, cool man on one side and a hunched over sweaty, paunchy dude on the other. TV watchers overwhelmingly thought JFK won. Radio listeners thought overwhelmingly that Nixon won. It behooves us to remember this because I think we forget how much appearance and confidence matters on TV. Facts matter less.
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Condiv posted:hillary being intensely dis-likable didn't do her any favors in the debates. iirc, she actually did fairly respectably in the first debate, "look at my website" notwithstanding. Hillary's problems in the debates, by my estimation, wasn't a lack of likeability, but that she wasn't able to deal with Trump's constant gish gallop. The debates are basically political theater built on the premise of decorum and Trump doesn't play by those rules (and is also senile).
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VH4Ever posted:Look folks, just remember: in 1960 the first ever televised debate happened between Nixon and JFK. Everyone who tuned in saw a confident, cool man on one side and a hunched over sweaty, paunchy dude on the other. TV watchers overwhelmingly thought JFK won. Radio listeners thought overwhelmingly that Nixon won. It behooves us to remember this because I think we forget how much appearance and confidence matters on TV. Facts matter less. this was actually a myth I think, it could be true but there were no reliable polling data telling us that radio listeners thought nixon won while tv watchers thought jfk won. It's one of the historical myth that's being repeated so often it has became accepted historical fact.
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Lightning Knight posted:iirc, she actually did fairly respectably in the first debate, "look at my website" notwithstanding. Hillary's problems in the debates, by my estimation, wasn't a lack of likeability, but that she wasn't able to deal with Trump's constant gish gallop. The debates are basically political theater built on the premise of decorum and Trump doesn't play by those rules (and is also senile). there was definitely some issues with her presentation in the debates: https://www.nyu.edu/about/news-publications/news/2017/march/trump-clinton-debates-gender-reversal.html quote:We heard a lot of “now I understand how this happened”—meaning how Trump won the election. People got upset. There was a guy two rows in front of me who was literally holding his head in his hands, and the person with him was rubbing his back. The simplicity of Trump’s message became easier for people to hear when it was coming from a woman—that was a theme. One person said, “I’m just so struck by how precise Trump’s technique is.” Another—a musical theater composer, actually—said that Trump created “hummable lyrics,” while Clinton talked a lot, and everything she was was true and factual, but there was no “hook” to it. Another theme was about not liking either candidate—you know, “I wouldn’t vote for either one.” Someone said that Jonathan Gordon [the male Hillary Clinton] was “really punchable” because of all the smiling. And a lot of people were just very surprised by the way it upended their expectations about what they thought they would feel or experience. There was someone who described Brenda King [the female Donald Trump] as his Jewish aunt who would take care of him, even though he might not like his aunt. Someone else described her as the middle school principal who you don’t like, but you know is doing good things for you. the fact that if you map her presentation onto another person and people come out thinking the hillary analogue lost points to as much Condiv fucked around with this message at 19:59 on Nov 26, 2018 |
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Condiv posted:he started discussing with you, and you immediately pivoted away from discussion of sweatshops into complaining about how unreasonable other people are. i kinda doubt you would actually love to have a real discussion on the subject Well Condiv I admit to some ignorance on the subject. How do you think the United States should work to amend free trade agreements and WTO regulations to serve the interests of Bangladeshi textile workers? Obviously we want them to be able to have jobs, but not to be forced into jobs they don't want. We also want those jobs to be safe. If we were to talk to workers in Vietnamese export oriented industries, what changes do you think they would want to improve their conditions?
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Lightning Knight posted:iirc, she actually did fairly respectably in the first debate, "look at my website" notwithstanding. Hillary's problems in the debates, by my estimation, wasn't a lack of likeability, but that she wasn't able to deal with Trump's constant gish gallop. The debates are basically political theater built on the premise of decorum and Trump doesn't play by those rules (and is also senile). I don't even think that's it. Consensus seemed to be that Clinton obliterated him three times in a row--in fact, she managed to get in a few good zingers too, like the one where she insinuated that no matter what new tax laws were passed that Trump would find a way around paying his (it prompted the "nasty woman" comment). If that performance had been buttressed by even nominal charisma, no BUTTERY MAILS bullshit and Jim Comey not deciding to put his finger on the scale with a week to go, she'd have won. Gish Galloping is what Romney did to Obama in Debate #1 in 2012--he lied so often, so easily and so calmly and Obama just didn't bring his A-game that night.
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:I think the timing of the accusations was incredibly suspect, as well as the political affiliations of said accusers. I also think "most likely accidental grab rear end" and "12 year old poor adolescent humor" don't rise to the level of "sexmonster" when we have Trump in the big chair Every loving time someone mentions Franken in any thread you always get at least one person sprinting in to say that he was actually good and did nothing wrong. It's almost comical.
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Squalid posted:Well Condiv I admit to some ignorance on the subject. How do you think the United States should work to amend free trade agreements and WTO regulations to serve the interests of Bangladeshi textile workers? Obviously we want them to be able to have jobs, but not to be forced into jobs they don't want. We also want those jobs to be safe. this is pretty simple. if goods are being made to be sold in the US, then the companies making said goods have to meet or exceed US labor law, including the minimum wage. quote:If we were to talk to workers in Vietnamese export oriented industries, what changes do you think they would want to improve their conditions? lets not pretend you actually care about what they think. you already said that sweatshops are a non-issue, despite them causing tons of suicides Condiv fucked around with this message at 20:02 on Nov 26, 2018 |
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Tons of people liked Hillary and seeing Trump follow her around like an overbearing misogynist rang true with a lot of people but we don't talk about the sexism involved in 2016 so
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Saagonsa posted:Every loving time someone mentions Franken in any thread you always get at least one person sprinting in to say that he was actually good and did nothing wrong. It's almost comical. Is there like an D&D Tropes thread where these types of phenomena are documented with examples? I'd love to see something like that.
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Typo posted:this was actually a myth I think, it could be true but there were no reliable polling data telling us that radio listeners thought nixon won while tv watchers thought jfk won. It's one of the historical myth that's being repeated so often it has became accepted historical fact. The story behind the 1960 debate was that it was the first televised Presidential debate--and out of 70 million who tuned in something like 65 million were television viewers. Those people saw a relaxed, confident Kennedy and a sweaty, hunched-over Nixon (which was most likely due to the surgery he'd had on his leg a couple weeks earlier). Ironically, in all those pictures, Kennedy is probably in more pain than Nixon could conceive of.
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eke out posted:this is actually even more true when you look at the full remarks, where she comes perilously close to actually saying outright that republicans are just racists maybe she can be the new megyn kelly on msnbc
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kidkissinger posted:they also do live fire exercises but that isn't a justification for shooting at them either These guys are making it pretty clear it will be. If someone is such an ammoral slug that gassing refugee children is acceptable that person will find a way to make it fine when they are shot. Look up the NYT stories on kids getting killed in Gaza for a examples.
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Condiv posted:this is pretty simple. if goods are being made to be sold in the US, then the companies making said goods have to meet or exceed US labor law, including the minimum wage. I'm sure foreign workers would appreciate earning US minimum wages. However if the US implemented such a law do you really think it would help Vietnamese workers? If a company has to pay the same wages there and here, but also has to pay extra transportation and logistic costs for the Vietnamese factory, it seems probable to me that this would result in no trade again, and would be very close to a regime of pure punitive protectionism.
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Lightning Knight posted:iirc, she actually did fairly respectably in the first debate, "look at my website" notwithstanding. Hillary's problems in the debates, by my estimation, wasn't a lack of likeability, but that she wasn't able to deal with Trump's constant gish gallop. The debates are basically political theater built on the premise of decorum and Trump doesn't play by those rules (and is also senile). I thought she got a boost after every debate, the problem was the election took place long enough after the last debate that none of them ended up mattering
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Which is worse, getting pepper sprayed or tear gassed? Because they seem different. I caught just one whiff of tear gas, at the Battle of Backwater Bridge at standing rock. In a crowd of near-panicked people, experienced activists helped the tightly packed group of now-blind people shuffle together off the bridge without trampling each-other as we all held our breath. It sucked. Got pepper sprayed from toe to tip the day of th e inauguration. Had my eyes closed as the spray hit, and I kept them closed. Nothing burned, as I stood there motionless with my eyes closed. It's when you move about, or try to wipe up, that it burns like a motherfucker. You'll feel it again with each of your next few showers. Have someone good at conversation chat with you for the first hour or so, it doesn't hurt as much if you give your mind something to focus on. I think I'd prefer pepper spray; not fully decided yet.
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I'm grateful to Beto's failed run for getting a bunch of really cool people elected in Texas, and I would have been ecstatic for him to get rid of Ted Cruz, but I do not want him to run for or become President. gently caress, just have him run for Senate in Texas again next time, why not
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Squalid posted:I'm sure foreign workers would appreciate earning US minimum wages. However if the US implemented such a law do you really think it would help Vietnamese workers? If a company has to pay the same wages there and here, but also has to pay extra transportation and logistic costs for the Vietnamese factory, it seems probable to me that this would result in no trade again, and would be very close to a regime of pure punitive protectionism. excellent theory, Mr. Yglesias. let's interview the three hundred dead in a Bangladeshi factory collapse, on whether they would prefer to die to keep your pants cheap.
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Lightning Knight posted:Every journalist who uses euphemisms like "racially charged" should just be fired upon submitting their stories to the editor. I have worked in a few newsrooms and have friends still in journalism. Reporters and copy editors, on average, are far to the left of editors, who are far to the left of publishers. (Incidentally, this is why one of the best ways to learn real political dirt is to ask a reporter off the record - because guaranteed, they know things that they can't print without losing their jobs.)
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Lemming posted:I thought she got a boost after every debate, the problem was the election took place long enough after the last debate that none of them ended up mattering in the age of social media and 5 second news cycles they need to move the debates to be within like 2 days of election day
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The Alligator of Disapproval gains another cheerful tooth.
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Squalid posted:I'm sure foreign workers would appreciate earning US minimum wages. However if the US implemented such a law do you really think it would help Vietnamese workers? If a company has to pay the same wages there and here, but also has to pay extra transportation and logistic costs for the Vietnamese factory, it seems probable to me that this would result in no trade again, and would be very close to a regime of pure punitive protectionism. "Really, paying poverty wages for jobs in other countries is helping them out, otherwise there wouldn't be jobs" pretend I linked a Ha-Joon Chang book here
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Typo posted:in the age of social media and 5 second news cycles they need to move the debates to be within like 2 days of election day At least one debate should be less than a week before election day. Face-to-face meetings need to be kept fresh in voters' minds and the goddamn news cycle moved insanely fast in 2016.
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I apologize but I’m really feeling the “every day is 10,000 years long” news effect as of late: do we know why the negative response spiked? I’m always curious if this is something like the Dow making GBS threads the bed, the disgusting treatment of immigrants, the complete humiliation of the #MAGA concept by the house switching 40 seats to the Dems, etc etc. Edit: corn in the bible posted:I'm grateful to Beto's failed run for getting a bunch of really cool people elected in Texas, and I would have been ecstatic for him to get rid of Ted Cruz, but I do not want him to run for or become President. The leftist circular firing squad does a really good job at making GBS threads on things while ignoring any sort of good that came out of things happening. It’s why I’m honestly starting to believe Trump, despite having a 60% strong disapproval rating, has a real chance of reelection in 2020. funeral home DJ fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Nov 26, 2018 |
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If anyone is into this sort of thing, NASA is going to land another rover or some sort of craft on Mars within the hour. Nerd Twitter is going nuts over it. https://twitter.com/BadAstronomer/status/1067131346424750080
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Ripoff posted:I apologize but I’m really feeling the “every day is 10,000 years long” news effect as of late: do we know why the negative response spiked? Probably a combination of all three would be my guess.
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corn in the bible posted:I'm grateful to Beto's failed run for getting a bunch of really cool people elected in Texas, and I would have been ecstatic for him to get rid of Ted Cruz, but I do not want him to run for or become President. IMO he'd be a very strong vice presidential pick but I agree that he shouldn't run for president
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Squalid posted:I'm sure foreign workers would appreciate earning US minimum wages. However if the US implemented such a law do you really think it would help Vietnamese workers? If a company has to pay the same wages there and here, but also has to pay extra transportation and logistic costs for the Vietnamese factory, it seems probable to me that this would result in no trade again, and would be very close to a regime of pure punitive protectionism. next you're gonna start arguing that the minimum wage actually hurts low wage workers 
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Condiv posted:next you're gonna start arguing that the minimum wage actually hurts low wage workers I said this last time but Squalid is easier to understand if you look at his posting through the lens that profit and business function takes precedence over human life
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