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Captain Oblivious posted:Asahi is a legit bad character. "And then Asahi, after bringing up his sister's traumatic memories, luring his parents to their deaths, turning his sister into a Primal in front of the most renowned Primal killer in the world, and laughing maniacally at ruining a prisoner exchange involving his own people, stopped to shoot and kick his dying sister's body repeatedly while screaming at her that she was a useless whore." 
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Nessus posted:Yeah it was clear they had a lot of plans with the Heaven's Ward and then almost none of it appears? Did they just run out of space? Is it all in the CUL 50-60 quests? With the Warrior of Darkness plotline likely coming back in some way I'm pretty sure this slots the Heaven's Ward into the biggest waste of screentime spot
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Nov 27, 2018 06:13
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The Heavens' Ward gave us Charibert memes, so that's not true.
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Nov 27, 2018 06:15
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I quite liked HW. It had dragons, knights, and a pope. It also had class conflict, a message about the futility of war, and a great underlying message. I give it 9 dragoons backflipping off a ledge out of 10. I did not raid in HW.
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Nov 27, 2018 06:26
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Nessus posted:Yeah it was clear they had a lot of plans with the Heaven's Ward and then almost none of it appears? Did they just run out of space? Is it all in the CUL 50-60 quests? it's all in the Hildy quests
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Nov 27, 2018 06:29
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jokes posted:I did not raid in HW. You missed a literal boss fight with Voltron.
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Nov 27, 2018 06:29
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Cythereal posted:It's so ridiculous I can't help but laugh. It reminds me of "dark and edgy" Harry Potter fanfic from when I was in high school more than anything. I laughed at the Tsukiyomi stuff for a different reason (Asahi's incredible dramatization mostly. They kind of went Overham with him.) I couldn't laugh at her backstory or her telling of it because I quite clearly remember the quest of 'go find a dude who's supposed to be watching her and find out why he isn't' and the plot therein was relatively simple and straightforward, with minimal ham/drama involved.
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Nov 27, 2018 06:32
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Cythereal posted:I disagree. Just like the last time you ranted about Yotsuyu, you're still wrong.
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Nov 27, 2018 06:39
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EponymousMrYar posted:I laughed at the Tsukiyomi stuff for a different reason (Asahi's incredible dramatization mostly. They kind of went Overham with him.) Same. Asahi's great, especially because he sees himself as a main character in this grand spectacle he's about to orchestrate. I really enjoyed Yotsuyu other than her ridiculous survival. Here's a character who sees themselves as a monster and was content to just play out her little role as Tsuyu and live a quiet sheltered life under watch. But she casts aside the chance when her tormentors return and she cannot stop herself from getting revenge on them, and she's fine with that. She always saw herself as someone undeserving of a better life and she's happy to visit suffering on everyone she sees, because she thinks everyone else is as low as she is. Sure, there's a lingering regret during the transition and it's clear the time she spent with Gosetsu has planted a spark of hope in her, but it's only a moment's hesitation she overcomes. There's no redemption element. You can feel sad for her but it's as Hien said. If nothing happens, he'll let Tsuyu live in peace. If she turns out to Yotsuyu, then she'll be put down as she deserves.
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Nov 27, 2018 06:42
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I found Asahi very plausible considering various people in positions of influence in reality right now. Obviously it would be ridiculous if that was ALL the Garleans, but it was actually good to have a Garlic who was just a total shithead gently caress-rear end.
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Nov 27, 2018 06:44
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I’m just gonna say I’m gonna be curious to see how Cythereal reacts to 4.4 
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Nov 27, 2018 06:44
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jokes posted:I quite liked HW. It had dragons, knights, and a pope. It also had class conflict, a message about the futility of war, and a great underlying message. I think the class conflict message gets buried pretty hard, honestly. Outside of the five minutes in the MSQ quest you spend with Hilda and the 3.1 storyline it gets sidelined entirely unless you're doing DRK or MCH job quests. It's a lot different from how pretty much every second of Stormblood is about how imperialism is just the loving worst.
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Nov 27, 2018 06:45
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dsa garlemald
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Nov 27, 2018 06:46
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I'm fine with Yotsuyu's backstory and how brutal it is and even her motivation to just gently caress up Doma in 4.0 but the amnesia plot was lame and I think Hien striking her down would have been a fine way to end it. He seemed to have remorse about the whole thing and wanting to do better by his people than his father did. Taking her prisoner and having to decide her fate while not under duress would have been fine too but unfortunately they did the prisoner thing with Fordola.
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Nov 27, 2018 06:46
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Whatever your opinions, Tsukuyomi gave us one of the best primal tracks so it's all good.
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Nov 27, 2018 07:01
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Captain Cappy posted:I'm fine with Yotsuyu's backstory and how brutal it is and even her motivation to just gently caress up Doma in 4.0 but the amnesia plot was lame and I think Hien striking her down would have been a fine way to end it. He seemed to have remorse about the whole thing and wanting to do better by his people than his father did. Taking her prisoner and having to decide her fate while not under duress would have been fine too but unfortunately they did the prisoner thing with Fordola. Fordola gives them the opportunity to contrast with how Yotsuyu turned out, but I have a feeling that we're full steam toward Garlemald at this point and those threads in Ala Mihgo will just get left hanging.
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Nov 27, 2018 07:22
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I probably would've liked Yotsuyu and her story and the concepts therein if it hadn't been revealed to us with her crying about how she was so evil because her life was terrible just before she "died," after her entire presence in 4.0 had been her being a self-indulgent sadist. Made extra ridiculous by everyone pausing as Gosetsu is literally holding up an entire building from falling on them for her to deliver it. I think what was there was good, but hoo boy was its execution... something.
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Nov 27, 2018 07:23
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Ibblebibble posted:Whatever your opinions, Tsukuyomi gave us one of the best primal tracks so it's all good. This. And thank you for fixing my quote!
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Nov 27, 2018 07:39
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It's hard to take Asahi seriously when he's doing all these amazing facial expressions. Slow down Asahi, if you keep doing that your eyes will pop out one day 
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Nov 27, 2018 08:39
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The lengthy soliloquy during a pressing time situation is just the genre, man. There's Chinese novels where dudes have 2 page long conversations while an arrow is flying at them.
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Nov 27, 2018 08:53
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Everything with Asahi is great because he's obviously evil, everything he's doing was blatantly a trap for Doma and a spitefuck of the WoL in specific, and he got to be smug and chew scenery the whole time because there was nothing anyone involved could do about it besides see it through.
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Nov 27, 2018 11:37
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Does anyone have that screenshot of Asahi bent over like a goofball getting up in a Lalafell WoL’s face during his first little outburst? Now seems like a great time for it.
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Nov 27, 2018 12:42
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Ironslave posted:I probably would've liked Yotsuyu and her story and the concepts therein if it hadn't been revealed to us with her crying about how she was so evil because her life was terrible just before she "died," after her entire presence in 4.0 had been her being a self-indulgent sadist. Made extra ridiculous by everyone pausing as Gosetsu is literally holding up an entire building from falling on them for her to deliver it. Yeah it's been a while since I did Doma Castle but it was pre-Garuda Cid scene levels of hmmmmmmmm.
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Nov 27, 2018 12:51
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They made it clear that, between Fordola and Yotsuyuu, somebody was getting redeemed and somebody was going to die. I'm just glad they made the right choice.
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Nov 27, 2018 13:17
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Except they then proceeded to shove Fordola into the "short stories" section of the game, which means we'll never have her show up in the story again. I wanted her to show up with a badass eyepatch she wears to keep her always-on Echo in check, or some poo poo.
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Nov 27, 2018 13:19
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If Fordola doesn't show up as a Stormbringers main character, at least on the level of Arenvald in Stormblood, they hosed up. Presumably in an Ascian-focused story they're going to get in to some poo poo on the echo and how resonance reflects on that, also.
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Nov 27, 2018 13:23
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Ironslave posted:I probably would've liked Yotsuyu and her story and the concepts therein if it hadn't been revealed to us with her crying about how she was so evil because her life was terrible just before she "died," after her entire presence in 4.0 had been her being a self-indulgent sadist. Made extra ridiculous by everyone pausing as Gosetsu is literally holding up an entire building from falling on them for her to deliver it. I dunno, it seemed to be important to Gosetsu choosing to be empathetic later on. Without that moment where she communicates regrets because of near-death lucidity, he would have no reason to believe she could change or trust that her memory loss wasn't a trick.
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Nov 27, 2018 13:25
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Asahi gets points for being the first character in 5,000 hours to point out that maybe you should not bring a God to fight the person called xXGodMurderer420Xx
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Nov 27, 2018 13:37
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Gotetsu's biggest fault as a character is that he's so hunky he makes it difficult to choose between him and Raubahn
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Nov 27, 2018 13:43
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FortMan posted:You'd see ... a bit more if you returned befire you zoned. Spoilers for the 68 drk question The dead Guy is interactable, with the poem: "Thus let me live, unseen, unknown; Thus unlamented let me die; Steal from the world, and not a stone Tell where I lie."
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Nov 27, 2018 13:52
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I've never been around for a new expansion. Do people tend to flock to the job showcased in the previews, e.g. Dragoon in HW and monk/Sam for SB? Are there gonna be a billion DRK tanks when ShB comes out?
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Nov 27, 2018 14:22
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central dogma posted:I've never been around for a new expansion. Do people tend to flock to the job showcased in the previews, e.g. Dragoon in HW and monk/Sam for SB? generally new classes will get a rush of attention, less so the ones Just showing up in the trailers Even less so cause DRK is a tank.
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Nov 27, 2018 14:32
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I definitely played more drg and mnk than I would have otherwise, because they were the Canonical Jobs
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Nov 27, 2018 14:52
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I've never actually had the canon job leveled before now. I know there's a (very) small amount of extra dialogue in some cutscenes - do I need to actively be playing the canon job to see that, or is it enough to just have the job leveled? DRK isn't my main and I'm not about to switch.
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Nov 27, 2018 15:03
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Alakaiser posted:I've never actually had the canon job leveled before now. I know there's a (very) small amount of extra dialogue in some cutscenes - do I need to actively be playing the canon job to see that, or is it enough to just have the job leveled? DRK isn't my main and I'm not about to switch. I know Estinien gives you poo poo for being a dragoon leading up to HW and you have to have an active healing job to be yelled at by Krile after the Zeno attack on Rhalgr's Reach.
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Nov 27, 2018 15:21
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I took DRK to 61 then abandoned it in favor of WAR. Even PLD got boring but I'm so close to 70 on WAR as of last night and I've enjoyed the living hell out of it. I can't peg it as to whether DRK requires effort to do it right and people just can't "get gud" or if it's just a weaker tank class as most of the groups i either dps or heal for that a DRK is the tank it tends to be a lot more work for healing.
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Azubah posted:I know Estinien gives you poo poo for being a dragoon leading up to HW and you have to have an active healing job to be yelled at by Krile after the Zeno attack on Rhalgr's Reach. I think even as a RDM Krile yells at you saying something like, "Can't you heal too, dumbass?' Kodilynn posted:I took DRK to 61 then abandoned it in favor of WAR. Even PLD got boring but I'm so close to 70 on WAR as of last night and I've enjoyed the living hell out of it. I can't peg it as to whether DRK requires effort to do it right and people just can't "get gud" or if it's just a weaker tank class as most of the groups i either dps or heal for that a DRK is the tank it tends to be a lot more work for healing. DRK is a very good tank but I feel like the skill floor is higher for DRK than for PLD or WAR. So bad DRKs are easier to pick out than in the other tanking roles. WAR has several buttons they can push in a reactonary manner to be like 'need health'. PLD can heal themselves if needed or just hit the invincibility button. DRKs biggest tool of that sort is TBN, which means making sure they have enough mp to do so and knowing when to use it, because it's only up for like 7 seconds. To make the best use of TBN you really need to know the fights already, and good TBN use (edit: and MP/blood management) is what separates mediocre DRK players from great ones that are really easy to heal. Marathanes fucked around with this message at 15:41 on Nov 27, 2018 |
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Azubah posted:I know Estinien gives you poo poo for being a dragoon leading up to HW and you have to have an active healing job to be yelled at by Krile after the Zeno attack on Rhalgr's Reach. Yugiri compliments you a few times in 2.X if you unlocked ninja even if it's not your currently active class.
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DRK is really susceptible to bad play, which is too bad because it’s a class that actually scales defensively the more things you’re fighting. WAR is a little comparable with steel cyclone, but then you’re not spamming unleash and, well, gently caress that. (To wit, quietus with blood weapon gives you back mp for every enemy hit, allowing more TBN and DA Abyssals. The bigger the pull, the more off globals you can hammer between abyssal drains, the more self healing...) It’s also a class with more mutually exclusive offense/defensive choices. No self heal from souleater if you’re not in grit, no blood weapon unless you’re out of grit, topped with kinda lackluster personal CDs. I swear by DRK for my expert runs, but a lot of that is how much there is to do in large pulls. Edit; and DA dark path. That blind adds up, and I will die on the hill that (as it is now) it is by far the most efficient mp to potency ability DRK has at even 2 targets. M.c.P fucked around with this message at 15:41 on Nov 27, 2018 |
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SwissArmyDruid posted:Except they then proceeded to shove Fordola into the "short stories" section of the game, which means we'll never have her show up in the story again. To be fair we didn't hear anything from Alisaie after FCOB until she popped up again in 3.4. If anyone's rotting in side content it's Cid, who I think does one thing in each arc before being relegated to the raid for an expansion.
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