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evilweasel posted:Nobody's funding or backing a Hillary repeat. And she's too old to do something for a decade and come back. Once you lose a Presidential race, people talk about giving you another shot but nobody gets one since Nixon. Especially when you went up against someone who was widely considered a weak candidate: Hillary got her chance, blew it, and nobody in the party is giving her another one. Especially when your biggest most spectacular loss is your second shot at it and against someone that, by all measures, you should have won against. Getting merked by Obama in 2007-8 is understandable considering the baggage. 2016 was inexcusable.
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Nov 27, 2018 18:40
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I forgot to but watched her on Colbert the other night. I just don't see her or Harris as having enough fire in their bellies to inspire a Facebook share. They're not bad but they strike me as Lindsey-Graham tier not Trump/Obama/Clinton/Biden tier. They aren't angry and they aren't empathetic, they're just professional. Professional is fine but people don't vote for it in a president. evilweasel posted:Gillibrand strikes me as the sort of person who would be a good, effective president, but a bad candidate. Sort of Al Gore-ish.  i kinda-disagree but the question imo is whether she can bring the barn-burning of when she's talking about #metoo / women's issues to a primary campaign well, it's like the Pelosi Speaker election or a Warren run; if Gillibrand takes the primary she's by definition a good enough candidate, and if she doesn't there's probably reason to believe we wouldn't want her running against the big dumb baby president still gonna be boostin' her as my backup choice unless someone better runs
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Nov 27, 2018 18:40
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:plz don't permatoxx people we only have so many people left here! If it's not under threat of perma then he'll just pay the 10 dollars instead of writing the paper! 
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Nov 27, 2018 18:40
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Lightning Knight posted:If Evilweasel loses his toxx then I mod challenge him to read Nathan J. Robinson's Superpredator: Bill Clinton's Use and Abuse of Black America and write a 5,000 word analysis/review/refutation/whatever he feels about the book paper about it, or I will permaban him. If he wins the toxx then I will write the paper instead.  Lightning Knight posted:If it's not under threat of perma then he'll just pay the 10 dollars instead of writing the paper! Month probes on top of the ban are the usual go-to. But I appreciate the samurai code being applied all the same.
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Nov 27, 2018 18:40
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Lightning Knight posted:If Evilweasel loses his toxx then I mod challenge him to read Nathan J. Robinson's Superpredator: Bill Clinton's Use and Abuse of Black America and write a 5,000 word analysis/review/refutation/whatever he feels about the book paper about it, or I will permaban him. If he wins the toxx then I will write the paper instead. 
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Nov 27, 2018 18:40
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Feldegast42 posted:I don't know about that though -- she keeps popping up in the news cycle for stuff she has been saying, is fairly wealthy herself, and while she has lost establishment pull there are still a lot of diehards loyal to the Clinton camp. She won't win the primary but I can see her trying again to sate her own ego. https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/1055199009130889216?s=19
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Nov 27, 2018 18:40
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Aidan_702 posted:Uh, continuing the 5 parliament committee hearing on Facebook and theyre totally cool bro data practices... is there a thread on the forums to follow this more closely? its extremely my poo poo
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Nov 27, 2018 18:43
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Feldegast42 posted:I don't know about that though -- she keeps popping up in the news cycle for stuff she has been saying, is fairly wealthy herself, and while she has lost establishment pull there are still a lot of diehards loyal to the Clinton camp. She won't win the primary but I can see her trying again to sate her own ego. the last time she popped up in the news cycle it was fox news pushing it, with help from mark penn (who is persona non grata in the clinton sphere due to his hilarious incompetence in the 2008 primaries and was pissed off he wasn't part of the team in 2016)
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Nov 27, 2018 18:43
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Maryland's re-elected Republican governor Hogan just came out against gerrymandering in his state that sends 7 Democrats and 1 Republican to Congress. Definitely a good place to start  Don't elect Republicans to anything. https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/1067415394279936000 (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Nov 27, 2018 18:43
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Lightning Knight posted:I think you are being hugely charitable to the donor class and the centrist wing of the party here but we're arguing hypotheticals at this point so I will agree to disagree. Mad respect that you toxx'd on it tho. The donor class will have like 50 other horses in 2020 to choose from, and anyone shown to be in their back pocket will automatically be scratched from primary voters' list of "trustables". I appreciate your distrust of them--lord knows, it's warranted, given their history--but they're going to tell Hillary to pound sand not because it's the moral thing to do but because it's financially in their best interests. Hillary 2020 would be akin to burning a big pile of cash on the front lawn.
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Nov 27, 2018 18:43
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KickerOfMice posted:I would say "troubling times," but you seem up to the task. Luck be with you! Just FYI, I edited my post to be more clear (and fix the typo). Don't want to get your hopes up unnecessarily.
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Nov 27, 2018 18:43
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Hillary’s not going to run because literally every person in the world knows she won’t win, and she doesn’t have the appetite for yet another humiliating public loss. A vanity run makes sense if you’re trying to get a message out or build a brand, but she’s doing neither. The only reason she’d run is if she genuinely thought she could win, and while Hillary is a lot of bad things, she’s not cuckoo bananas delusional.
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Nov 27, 2018 18:45
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evilweasel posted:the last time she popped up in the news cycle it was fox news pushing it, with help from mark penn (who is persona non grata in the clinton sphere due to his hilarious incompetence in the 2008 primaries and was pissed off he wasn't part of the team in 2016) Also Thanksgiving alongside a few other centrist has-beens pushing tougher stances on immigration in Europe Although since that was released right on Thanksgiving she was probably trying to bury it
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Nov 27, 2018 18:46
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:The donor class will have like 50 other horses in 2020 to choose from, and anyone shown to be in their back pocket will automatically be scratched from primary voters' list of "trustables". I would argue that when you're talking about the rich and powerful, burning a big pile of cash on the front lawn is almost a pastime for them.
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Nov 27, 2018 18:46
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selec posted:I mean, it's as plausible as any other explanation for her demented loyalty. Eh Hillary is notable for returning loyalty to an extent that it actually causes her problems because she keeps people around who are total fuckups she should ditch. That and Huma's personal life blowing up and I can totally see her going all-in on Hill Street Blues.
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Nov 27, 2018 18:46
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KillHour posted:Just FYI, I edited my post to be more clear (and fix the typo). Don't want to get your hopes up unnecessarily. I await your performance with unchallenged patience.  I toxxed that Trump would get voted out of office so we'll see who goes first!
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Nov 27, 2018 18:46
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Lightning Knight posted:If Evilweasel loses his toxx then I mod challenge him to read Nathan J. Robinson's Superpredator: Bill Clinton's Use and Abuse of Black America and write a 5,000 word analysis/review/refutation/whatever he feels about the book paper about it, or I will permaban him. If he wins the toxx then I will write the paper instead. ok, as long as this is only about the 2020 iowa caucuses, because otherwise you can never lose because she could be a declared candidate in 2024 
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Nov 27, 2018 18:46
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Z. Autobahn posted:Hillary’s not going to run because literally every person in the world knows she won’t win, and she doesn’t have the appetite for yet another humiliating public loss. A vanity run makes sense if you’re trying to get a message out or build a brand, but she’s doing neither. The only reason she’d run is if she genuinely thought she could win, and while Hillary is a lot of bad things, she’s not cuckoo bananas delusional. Y'all need to spend some time around rich powerful people. They are cuckoo bananas delusional.
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Nov 27, 2018 18:47
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evilweasel posted:ok, as long as this is only about the 2020 iowa caucuses, because otherwise you can never lose because she could be a declared candidate in 2024 Yep it's based on what you toxxed for.
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Nov 27, 2018 18:47
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Z. Autobahn posted:Hillary’s not going to run because literally every person in the world knows she won’t win, and she doesn’t have the appetite for yet another humiliating public loss. A vanity run makes sense if you’re trying to get a message out or build a brand, but she’s doing neither. The only reason she’d run is if she genuinely thought she could win, and while Hillary is a lot of bad things, she’s not cuckoo bananas delusional. She has the clout and the stubbornness, but she may pull an Obama with Trump and just wait another 4 years.
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Nov 27, 2018 18:48
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:The donor class will have like 50 other horses in 2020 to choose from, and anyone shown to be in their back pocket will automatically be scratched from primary voters' list of "trustables". Shush, you. I want to see what happens when a mod flies too close to the sun. 
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Nov 27, 2018 18:49
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RaySmuckles posted:is there a thread on the forums to follow this more closely? its extremely my poo poo https://parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/3a4aa6e1-058c-4c88-9648-b94b26ebcef5 There was also a Guardian live blog https://www.theguardian.com/technol...rg-live-updates
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Nov 27, 2018 18:51
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Feldegast42 posted:Also Thanksgiving alongside a few other centrist has-beens pushing tougher stances on immigration in Europe i don't think she's going to shut up and go away forever. she clearly wants to still be relevant, she's been in politics for a long time because she thinks she's very competent and knows the right thing to do and wants to do it. and as long as she doesn't run for president again, she still has a lot of influence and connections. it's just that that influence and those connections are entirely useless for another presidential run. i have no doubt that if you asked her, she'd say she'd make a great president, a better president than anyone else running in 2020. but i also am certain she knows she can't win the 2020 primaries, as does everyone who would need to support her run to get off the ground. Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Y'all need to spend some time around rich powerful people. They are cuckoo bananas delusional. the reason rich people get that way is they don't face consequences and/or they're rich because they're the one that got very very lucky. hillary suffered a bad loss in 2008 and a humiliating loss in 2016, one that people probably won't ever forgive her for. she knows there's a downside to running. also, by all accounts, she loathes campaigning. I could see bill running a doomed campaign for the fun of it. I cannot see hillary running a doomed campaign for the fun of it.
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Nov 27, 2018 18:52
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Lightning Knight posted:I think you are being hugely charitable to the donor class and the centrist wing of the party here but we're arguing hypotheticals at this point so I will agree to disagree. Mad respect that you toxx'd on it tho. It's not that he's being charitable to the "Washington insider" class, he just happens to be right that inside the beltway the notion of another Clinton presidential bid is laughable even to her former supporters. Sure the Clintons are still highly influential among the centrist elite but in this case it doesn't transfer into doing well in the invisible primary, when you have to line up support, infrastructure, logistics, the works. You don't just decide "hey I'm going to run for the Democratic nomination," sign some papers and get the ball rolling. While Clinton's run is (very) hypothetical her status in the party is a fact. I won't toxx myself against the outside possibility of her running anyway, but it is highly improbable and would be doomed from the start, and would sink the Clintons' status even deeper, which like everyone in DC is what they care about the most.
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Nov 27, 2018 18:52
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RaySmuckles posted:
Hillary is this generations William Jennings Bryan.
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Nov 27, 2018 18:52
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Lightning Knight posted:Yep it's based on what you toxxed for. technically my toxx wasn't specific about which future iowa caucus, if she runs in the 2024 iowa caucuses you could ban me and that would adhere to the strict wording of my toxx heh
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Nov 27, 2018 18:52
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Ague Proof posted:Maryland's re-elected Republican governor Hogan just came out against gerrymandering in his state that sends 7 Democrats and 1 Republican to Congress. Definitely a good place to start buddy,
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Nov 27, 2018 18:53
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evilweasel posted:technically my toxx wasn't specific about which future iowa caucus, if she runs in the 2024 iowa caucuses you could ban me and that would adhere to the strict wording of my toxx heh It's about 2020 because if somehow Hillary Clinton is running for president in 2024 I won't give a gently caress about Something Awful toxxes lol.
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Nov 27, 2018 18:54
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Z. Autobahn posted:Hillary’s not going to run because literally every person in the world knows she won’t win, and she doesn’t have the appetite for yet another humiliating public loss. A vanity run makes sense if you’re trying to get a message out or build a brand, but she’s doing neither. The only reason she’d run is if she genuinely thought she could win, and while Hillary is a lot of bad things, she’s not cuckoo bananas delusional. I think a vanity run is possible to try and build a "legacy" so she can go down in history as a winner instead of just the person who lost a presidential election to Donald loving Trump. Maybe she picks a couple of core issues, probably related to women's rights, campaigns in the primaries about restoring decorum and decency in America, then endorses another female candidate for the general. She did it! She fulfilled her destiny of helping elect the first woman POTUS!
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Nov 27, 2018 18:54
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Y'all need to spend some time around rich powerful people. They are cuckoo bananas delusional. Plenty are, for sure, but I don't think Hillary is. She's always been profoundly risk-averse, if anything, avoiding anything big or bold in favor of safe, focus-tested routes in what are expected to be easy-victory contests. Hillary's whole thing is running when the road's been clear and she's presumed to win. Running a longshot darkhorse campaign is the opposite of her brand. Crabtree posted:She has the clout and the stubbornness, but she may pull an Obama with Trump and just wait another 4 years. The Dem who runs in 2020 has, at a very minimum, a good shot, so odds are it's for 8 years, not 4, and her health wasn't great in 2016. Hillary's done. She might jockey for a Cabinet position or at the very most VP, but she's never campaigning again. Pellisworth posted:I think a vanity run is possible to try and build a "legacy" so she can go down in history as a winner instead of just the person who lost a presidential election to Donald loving Trump. Maybe she picks a couple of core issues, probably related to women's rights, campaigns in the primaries about restoring decorum and decency in America, then endorses another female candidate for the general. She did it! She fulfilled her destiny of helping elect the first woman POTUS! LOL you don't cement a legacy as a winner by... losing again, and in an even more humiliating manner. If her strategy was to endorse another woman candidate and help her win, she could just... do... that... without the humiliation of coming in 6th in Iowa.
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Nov 27, 2018 18:56
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Ague Proof posted:Maryland's re-elected Republican governor Hogan just came out against gerrymandering in his state that sends 7 Democrats and 1 Republican to Congress. Definitely a good place to start Party Plane Jones posted:dear loving god until mcafee finally eats his own dick i'm gonna have to ask people stop posting his insanity 
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Nov 27, 2018 18:57
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evilweasel posted:the reason rich people get that way is they don't face consequences and/or they're rich because they're the one that got very very lucky. hillary suffered a bad loss in 2008 and a humiliating loss in 2016, one that people probably won't ever forgive her for. she knows there's a downside to running. She wrote a book that said "I did everything right and BERNIE promised them a pony! I'm a realist!"; it was actually a trial balloon that got her six months of slobjobs from the usual suspects. While I'm not saying it's guaranteed she's doing EVERYTHING you would do if you were planning to run again.
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Nov 27, 2018 18:58
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Pellisworth posted:I think a vanity run is possible to try and build a "legacy" so she can go down in history as a winner instead of just the person who lost a presidential election to Donald loving Trump. Maybe she picks a couple of core issues, probably related to women's rights, campaigns in the primaries about restoring decorum and decency in America, then endorses another female candidate for the general. She did it! She fulfilled her destiny of helping elect the first woman POTUS!
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there's only one way to prevent hillary clinton from running again *crosses out "hillary" on ballot and scribbles in "chelsea"*
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Nov 27, 2018 18:59
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Stexils posted:there's only one way to prevent hillary clinton from running again *crosses out "hillary" on ballot and scribbles in "chelsea"* centrism fan account something awful parachute spotted.
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Nov 27, 2018 19:00
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There's a little bit of me that's thankful I don't have to spend the next 8 years defending and sighing at President Hillary Clinton. That was gonna suck.
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Nov 27, 2018 19:00
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Dapper_Swindler posted:well she has no reason to pretend. she is gone in 2020 so why care. Remember when we had a Committee Hearing where Facebook was getting hammered, and then our Senate Minority Leader and all around good guy Chuck Schumer put a stop to it because his daughter works there?! What party is he is the senate minority leader of again? Good Times, Good Times! 
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Nov 27, 2018 19:01
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Corporate Media Orders Mandatory Segments Defending Tear-Gassing of Children: https://twitter.com/pamela_vogel/status/1067474802552840193
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You guys are totally glossing over the fact that every rich person thinks they are a brain super-genius and that they learned all the right lessons from their last failure and are going to be a super-success at this one. Hillary has a PAC, she has a committee, she wrote a book exonerating herself, she's stayed in the media. She's running.
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