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https://twitter.com/emptywheel/status/1067464225134690305 https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1067417760072900608 https://twitter.com/AniUcar/status/1067449593846059008 marshmonkey fucked around with this message at 18:58 on Nov 27, 2018 |
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evilweasel posted:alternatively, facebook could become so politically toxic that governments basically outlaw their entire business model and nobody's sure what to do with it anymore Their business model may already be illegal thanks to issues like the redlining and white genocide ads- it could be argued that the entire enterprise is founded on exploitation of loopholes that don't actually exist, like Aereo. Or that it only works when they go to the trouble of being deceptive, like the video ads issue. haveblue fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Nov 27, 2018 |
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axeil posted:These committee hearings sound wild and the Canadian MPs sound pissed. Does this all end with Facebook being banned in Canada? Charlie Angus sits on the privacy committee in Canada, but he's a New Democratic Party MP. The NDP are the leftmost major Canadian party and are not in government.
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evilweasel posted:The primary hold Facebook has is basically the existing data and the links you already have. I don't use my Facebook account, basically never post on it...but I don't want to delete it because it's got data that's not anywhere else and if there was Facebook 2.0 from a new company I wouldn't exactly go friend all of the people I haven't spoken to since college but i might, someday, be vaguely interested in what they're up to. I'm not real sure how you replicate that. You can export all your data, then delete your account. (Worth noting that your account doesn't actually get deleted, they just put an "is_deleted = true" flag on it. But for most intents and purposes it gets deleted.)
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Barry Foster posted:Nationalise that poo poo, IMO. Government-owned social media companies freak me out even more than privately-owned ones. Imagine what Trump could do if he had access to everything Facebook has.
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axeil posted:Government-owned social media companies freak me out even more than privately-owned ones. Imagine what Trump could do if he had access to everything Facebook has. I mean, given what the NSA is collecting, he already has access to it.
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axeil posted:Government-owned social media companies freak me out even more than privately-owned ones. Imagine what Trump could do if he had access to everything Facebook has. Government-owned social media is a dystopian nightmare. The better thing is to create laws which meaningfully hold them accountable for their harm, which will, in turn, kill them off and force them to radically transform to survive. Social media as we know it is inherently a bad thing and unsalvageable.
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axeil posted:Government-owned social media companies freak me out even more than privately-owned ones. Imagine what Trump could do if he had access to everything Facebook has. China basically has this, I believe. And they keep adding new features to it so it's super useful and everyone uses it, even though they know the government uses it to track people.
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Is *this* infrastructure week? https://twitter.com/CNBCnow/status/1067495633903370240
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JasonV posted:Is *this* infrastructure week? ...I still get the tax break right? I was going to buy a Volt at the end of winter
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https://twitter.com/Call_Me_Dutch/status/1067501085173186562 Welp, active shooter at the VA Edit: Looks like a false alarm https://twitter.com/ClohertyWTOP/status/1067503676993011712 The Glumslinger fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Nov 27, 2018 |
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Barry Foster posted:Nationalise that poo poo, IMO. Not for profits with a public mandated mission, that have government, relevant industry, and relevant nonpartisan organizations on the board are pretty good things. We use them for other things and they work so well nobody knows they exist basically.
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BrandorKP posted:Not for profits with a public mandated mission, that have government, relevant industry, and relevant nonpartisan organizations on the board are pretty good things. Where in the US do we use that model?
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The Glumslinger posted:https://twitter.com/Call_Me_Dutch/status/1067501085173186562 Walter Reed is an Army hospital, not a Veterans Administration hospital.
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Transportation and internstionsl trade is one place, some of the regulatory bodies discharge thier obligations, and some are international treaty obligations, to not for profits structured like that, that have the professional knowledge to deal with it. Some that I can think of exist historically and even predate the county.
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ABS (American Bureau of Shipping) is an example of one of these not for profits.
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axeil posted:Government-owned social media companies freak me out even more than privately-owned ones. Imagine what Trump could do if he had access to everything Facebook has. Oddly enough a publicity owned Facebook would probably annoy the surveillance state to no end because our absurd laws let them buy data from commercial providers that they would need a warrant to get from the IRS or USPS. The government is also required to treat personally identifiable information with much more care than the private sector (where the rules are basically "lol whatever!" unless the industry has screwed up in the past to the point that other regulations are in place). It would still be an absolute dystopian disaster though.
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which report, the "manafort met assange" one?
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Shifty Pony posted:Oddly enough a publicity owned Facebook would probably annoy the surveillance state to no end because our absurd laws let them buy data from commercial providers that they would need a warrant to get from the IRS or USPS. The government is also required to treat personally identifiable information with much more care than the private sector (where the rules are basically "lol whatever!" unless the industry has screwed up in the past to the point that other regulations are in place). I don’t need them to own Facebook, but a national identity management system spun off theirs after they are forced via antitrust action to separate identity management from the feed would be ideal. Let the Post Office run it, and also start a national online bank while we’re at it. The biggest thing of value they own is our identity and networks. Let us own that and make it portable, and suddenly there will be a boom in competing feed sites.
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Chilichimp posted:which report, the "manafort met assange" one? Yea
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looks like corsi is now outright giving reporters the sample documents drafted during negotiations with Mueller https://twitter.com/justinjm1/status/1067529889136427009
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Hahaha, old people really don't understand computers. There's zero chance that these two didn't lie about things they thought were deleted.
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this is astonishingly damaging to his own case. these emails Corsi apparently let reporters see that HE WROTE are the clearest evidence of a conspiracy with russian hackers to datequote:"Word is friend in embassy plans 2 more dumps. One shortly after I'm back. 2nd in Oct. Impact planned to be very damaging," Corsi wrote, according to the draft document. "Time to let more than [the Clinton Campaign chairman] to be exposed as in bed w enemy if they are not ready to drop HRC [Hillary Rodham Clinton]. That appears to be the game hackers are now about. Would not hurt to start suggesting HRC old, memory bad, has stroke -- neither he nor she well. I expect that much of next dump focus, setting stage for Foundation debacle." i know he's a famously bad source nutjob and all but this story makes clear Corsi showed NBC the draft plea deal that laid out the three distinct lies he told to Mueller, and the evidence they had that the statements were lies, including the email he sent i quoted above. holy poo poo is this ever stupid
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eke out posted:this is astonishingly damaging to his own case. these emails Corsi apparently let reporters see that HE WROTE are the clearest evidence of a conspiracy with russian hackers to date his defense is going to be, "well, I said it appears to be the game hackers are about, so I didn't actually know it was the game!"
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I've shitposted about this story for 3 years and he just tweeted it out  The only exzplanation is that he is trying to get this out so Trump and Co know how hosed they are and can try to start to change their stories to Mueller
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The Glumslinger posted:I've shitposted about this story for 3 years and he just tweeted it out Corsi is already in a joint defense agreement with Trump that lets his lawyers share information, so even that doesn't really explain it. Maybe his lawyers told him "Under no circumstances should you do this you gigantic idiot" and he took it as proof he should definitely do it
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https://twitter.com/LisaDNews/status/1067534144664731648 I doubt this will go anywhere, but interesting nonetheless.
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He wanted to demonstrate that he’s even stupider than Donald Jr. That’s all I’ve got.
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Kobayashi posted:Anything more than $0 is collaborating. Nah, the wall is a useful bargaining chip. It would takes years to design and build, long after Trump is gone from office. Funding can be cut and the project canned at any point in the future. If dangling some funding for it in front of him now gets him to support and sign some genuinely useful bills, it's worth it. Trump's weakness is he ego.
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Deteriorata posted:Nah, the wall is a useful bargaining chip. It would takes years to design and build, long after Trump is gone from office. Funding can be cut and the project canned at any point in the future. Same, especially if you can keep punting by funding nebulous "Border security" maintenance bills, with riders explicitly prohibiting their funds to be devoted to new building projects, as the Democrats have been doing up to now. Sounds reasonable to ignorant centrist voters, drives Trump up the wall. Old Kentucky Shark fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Nov 27, 2018 |
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:https://twitter.com/LisaDNews/status/1067534144664731648 I presume the idea here is the house would reject it and it would get stripped in conference committee. Flake would have then had his meaningless vote on the Senate floor, freeing him up to vote for evil judges.
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Rigel posted:I presume the idea here is the house would reject it and it would get stripped in conference committee. Flake would have then had his meaningless vote on the Senate floor, freeing him up to vote for evil judges. you're right except there's no need to even do anything as politically uncomfortable as affirmatively rejecting it - they can just ignore it and it's dead at the end of this term five weeks from now
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eke out posted:you're right except there's no need to even do anything as politically uncomfortable as affirmatively rejecting it - they can just ignore it and it's dead at the end of this term five weeks from now well, except they have to pass something during the lame duck to avoid a shutdown and the GOP might also need flake's vote for judges.
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Looks like we may have another PR statehood vote soon. The house GOP agreed to a very simple yes/no one-question vote on statehood so that all opponents (independence, status quo, that "free association" bullshit, something else) can all come together to vote no if they don't want statehood rather than boycotting the vote. I presume they are confident that the vote would fail because things could get awkward if PR unambiguously supported statehood with a high turnout. https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1067541837102108672
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:Sounds reasonable to ignorant centrist voters, drives Trump up the wall. Are you the "ignorant centrist voter" here, or is this a straw man so you don't have to admit that you're not fundamentally opposed to funding the wall?
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Kobayashi posted:Are you the "ignorant centrist voter" here, or is this a straw man so you don't have to admit that you're not fundamentally opposed to funding the wall? anything short of stuffing trump into a small box that locks from the outside is collaboration since "the wall" is a huge stupid boondoggle that is never going to happen anyway for many reasons, allocating funding to it as part of poltical gamesmanship is not going to matter in any meaningful fashion if trump wanted to grow a beanstalk large enough to reach the giant's castle so trump could acquire more gold, the democrats throwing a billion dollars at the project does not constitute a plot to overthrow the sky kingdom if that billion can be used to extract concessions elsewhere
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