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another issue adc has is if one of them hits 52% win rate the community shrieks about it until something is done to make the role more bad
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Hoesntky I don’t think I’ve has a game go past like 27 minutes in 2 week or something
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Nov 27, 2018 22:20
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rabidsquid posted:another issue adc has is if one of them hits 52% win rate the community shrieks about it until something is done to make the role more bad this is more of a champion specific thing i think, jinx had a high win rate for like 2 years and no one really cared
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Nov 27, 2018 22:39
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Tales of Woe posted:this is more of a champion specific thing i think, jinx had a high win rate for like 2 years and no one really cared its been pretty different since the adc rework and people started citing their win rates in other roles and stuff. its not unusual for a huge amount of champs in the game to sit at higher than 52% win rate without ever being mentioned.
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Nov 27, 2018 22:46
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For mid top and jungle you have to go down to like #25-30 on the list to get to 50% WR, for ADC and spt it's around 10-15. Just a grip less mathematically viable picks available so the ones that are both popular and winningest are easy to spot
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Nov 27, 2018 23:46
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There's not a big variety in bot lane carries either way. Their job has pretty much always been sitting in bottom lane, farming, and trying to take over late as opposed to mid or top which can have a ton of different roles in the team and the freedom to roam. The styles have pretty much always been "Lane Bully, Utility, general all-around or late-game exclusive" and since they're almost always primarily AD and ranged there's not a lot of variance you can get there. Mid lane carries offer a lot more divergence even between champions in similar roles. There's both AP and AD assassins who like to roam, there's long range artillery type champions like Lux or Xerath, there's lane bullies, there's burst mages, wave clear focused, siege focused, CC focused/engage heavy champions, pure utility champions like Lulu, and you can even pop in tanks like Sion or Galio or on occasion just regular ADCs in there and nobody bats an eye. Down in bottom lane they outright tried to put Mordekaiser down there and realized that for a melee champion to do well there he had to be OVERLY powerful to make up for all the poke he's going to be taking (IE: The Juggernauts) and just about any other time champions outside a normal ADC gets picked up down there, they're either nerfed directly or via itemization until they're niche or unplayable. Ziggs was big for a minute in bottom lane because of his ability to poke hard and tear down towers and they ended up changing his numbers rather than giving people a natural meta against that type of play. In solo queue before the nerf you were seeing people just pick up Viktor or other mages to combat Ziggs which understandably created a scenario where you either banned Ziggs or had to plan to play against him but they kind of just hit things too hard and too early in bottom lane compared to any other role besides Jungle. Bottom lane's big hiccup is also this idea that all ADCs need a lot of farm to be relevant and are fairly weak early since most of them have very little CC on their own, few of them have natural escape mechanics, and a handful of them rely a on specific items to reach a spike, like crit items before they're relevant. Because of how few ADCs there actually are and their reluctance to let non ADC champions stay in bottom lane of course there's going to be like, 10 viable champions at any given time.
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Nov 28, 2018 00:12
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Pantheon bot lane carry 
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Nov 28, 2018 00:21
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adcs are critically endangered and riot has them in a conservation park(bot lane) where they try to get them to breed in captivity but it doesnt work because ghostcrawler keeps forcing all the adcs to be the same champion except jhin
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Nov 28, 2018 01:18
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feed to become a (marks)man
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Nov 28, 2018 02:58
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Anidav posted:Pantheon bot lane carry To further my own post, some people just don't know how to handle his passive by the way. It's a lot of fun to just block their first auto attack and they get immoderately scared of any lane fight with you.
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Nov 28, 2018 03:21
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presented without comment: https://i.imgur.com/dKrVI3q.gifv
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Nov 28, 2018 11:04
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Anidav posted:Pantheon bot lane carry No joke, panth + brand bot Lane is a loving killer. Brand is good against super tanks (or rather, as good as a non full build adc) and that lane is 100% awful for the other side. You can probably alternate farm or feed it all to either brand OR panth.
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Nov 28, 2018 11:17
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I see whacky poo poo in botlane a lot more nowadays than before. Just last week I saw people do Karthus bot, a Zyra/Brand botlane (that was so hellish to play against,) Yasuo bot seems to be perfectly viable (at least through gold) because botlaners are incredibly bad at playing against him. e: What level was the Draven-one-shotting Karthus?
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Nov 28, 2018 11:38
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If it's stupid and it works it ain't stupid.
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Nov 28, 2018 11:58
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I can't remember a day where Lucian isn't very good
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Nov 28, 2018 12:35
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Tired Moritz posted:I can't remember a day where Lucian isn't very good there were a couple months where he was bad but it didn't last that long. On the whole he's been one of the more consistently picked ADCs in pro play along with ez and varus. other picks have been more popular at times but those three have remained viable for awhile.
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Nov 28, 2018 13:33
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I honestly think a big part of his pro play viability, and just viability in general, is that he can fight early with his double attack passive and he has a pseudo escape in his dash + wave clear ultimate. Ez's the same way on the escape and ult. Varus I don't really get, I guess it's his long range poke and pretty hefty hybrid damage with a snare ult? I guess it helps that he spikes pretty hard on rageblade as well Edit: I think that the only time Lucian has been considered bad was when all the hyperscaling carries were absolutely bonkers, right? There was just no reason to pick him when the scalers were so much better and games were actually going long enough.
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Nov 28, 2018 13:54
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Lucian has spent a lot of the past several years on the bench. there's been a lot of hypercarry metas
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Nov 28, 2018 13:58
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one item damage spikes are good when the games are decided in 10 minutes
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Nov 28, 2018 14:05
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Lucian was out of contention for at least 6 months after they hard nerfed his passive and range and his core items all in one fell swoop. He's a flashy, mobile, and aggressive ADC so you'll always see him whether or not he's good. I actually think one of the most underapprecisted parts of Lucian is that you get a TON of free movespeed from the combo of Cleaver + hitting someone marked with W. It makes you legitimstely pretty speedy and hard to pin down even discounting his E. Now if you wanna talk about ADCs who are good at every stage of the game, you're thinking about Xayah.
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Nov 28, 2018 15:29
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Serious question - I love playing Xayah (only played her a couple times now, since I usually stick to mid), but I seem to have hella bad mana problems with her. Do you just use bladecaller to poke/deny?
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Nov 28, 2018 16:23
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Erdricks posted:Serious question - I love playing Xayah (only played her a couple times now, since I usually stick to mid), but I seem to have hella bad mana problems with her. Do you just use bladecaller to poke/deny? you should sell your soul to the devil for extra mana since you are already going to hell for playing her anyway
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Nov 28, 2018 16:42
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not that long ago lucian was absolutely the worst adc, it was after he got an E nerf and then itemization just made him godawful
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Nov 28, 2018 17:25
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Erdricks posted:Serious question - I love playing Xayah (only played her a couple times now, since I usually stick to mid), but I seem to have hella bad mana problems with her. Do you just use bladecaller to poke/deny? You should only ever use Bladecaller in a situation where you're reasonably confident you'll get a root off with it, or if you're hard shoving the wave in to take a back. ADCs are designed differently than mid mages in that their abilities are usually meant to complement their autoattacks, rather than being their main "punch," and their mana usage is balanced around that. rabidsquid posted:not that long ago lucian was absolutely the worst adc, it was after he got an E nerf and then itemization just made him godawful Yeah, he was total dogshit for most of the season. Before Conqueror and 8.11 was introduced, he had to deal with 2-3 tanks per game (largely nullifying his midgame damage advantage) and was up against hypercarries that spiked hard off of two items and continued to scale up way better than him. His rise is a combination of a bruiser-heavy meta favoring his midgame damage and mobility, a core build with strong survivability, more aggressive supports coming to prominence, most hypercarries having three item spikes, and games going shorter overall.
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Nov 28, 2018 17:43
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Lucian was also a lane bully in a meta with hilarious ad sustain bot with pre-nerf targons/doran's shield/fleet footwork, that's why he was transitioned mid for quite a while to beat up on mages
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Nov 28, 2018 17:47
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Hellooooooooooo LoL goons, I do not play LoL, I know zero about it besides that I can't turn the camera so for that reason I can't play it without having a tempter tantrum. But this isn't about me! My fiance's brother plays lots of LoL and loves it and stuff. Being the gamer in the household, I was given the task of sorting out his Christmas present(s), specifically gaming-related presents. So what do I buy him? My options at the moment are: - Riot Points: These just buy skins, right? I mean if he plays all the time, how many RPs is he really gonna need to get whatever skins he's after? Do RPs buy anything else? - LoL Art Book: He's an artist, so this appears to make sense on the surface.... but whenever I've got an artbook for a game I loved I've looked at it once and gone "that's cool" and put it on a shelf forever; but maybe the LoL draw is all about the art! I have no idea! - Gaming PC Peripheral of some sort: A new mouse or keyboard or somesuch; sadly I don't know his taste in these things and for reasons I can't really get any info about it reliably - Other (please specify): Something else? Like what tho? I know this is a weird af post in a Games thread, but like, if y'all came and asked the same on the Overwatch thread I'd probably have some decent ideas! However I know literally zero about LoL and that's the only game he plays, sooooo really hoping y'all can give me good ideas. Budget is right around $75 or so. What LoL-related stuff do y'all want for Christmas?! In before snarky references to balance changes that I won't get anyway bc I don't play this game
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Nov 28, 2018 18:53
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I mean Riot has league merch on their store if his dick is that hard for it. https://na.merch.riotgames.com/en/ Otherwise yeah I'd just probably get him a bunch of Riot points. Someone else might have a better idea though.
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Nov 28, 2018 19:01
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No clue what makes my future bro-in-law erect, but I don't think merch is it. He basically wears the same clothes all the time and I don't think he's much for decorations or plushies or so on. Just realized the art book is available for free over the internet, so think I'll probably not go that route. I guess just getting him a fuckton of RP is probably the surest-fire thing. Is $75 of RP a lot of RP?
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Nov 28, 2018 19:28
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black.lion posted:No clue what makes my future bro-in-law erect, but I don't think merch is it. He basically wears the same clothes all the time and I don't think he's much for decorations or plushies or so on. That's a sizeable amount, yes. Skins generally range in (converted) price from around $5-35, depending on the quality of the skin, so that'll let him get either a few really nice skins or a solid bundle of lower priced ones.
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Nov 28, 2018 19:39
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Word! And LoL has like a thousand characters all with multiple skins etc.... so there's basically no way he, like, "doesn't need anything" from RP... yes? I can't believe how easy shopping for my fellow gamers has become.
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Nov 28, 2018 19:52
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Buy him an Ezreal cosplay costume. It’s secretly what all league players want. It’s the reason he and Teemo have so many skins.
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Nov 28, 2018 19:57
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black.lion posted:No clue what makes my future bro-in-law erect, but I don't think merch is it. He basically wears the same clothes all the time and I don't think he's much for decorations or plushies or so on. you could also find out what his fav champ/skin are and get some art commissioned in that vein, cpuld be cool but also if it's like battle bunny riven that could be a lewd and awkward opening on Christmas.
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Nov 28, 2018 20:21
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I would get him a Razer mouse. I don’t go to bat for many specific products, but their mouses are best in the business. I used one for like five years before the cable completely shredded and I replaced it with a Diamondback about a year ago. Honestly I would use one if I didn’t game at all
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Nov 28, 2018 20:44
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kingcobweb posted:I would get him a Razer mouse. I don’t go to bat for many specific products, but their mouses are best in the business. I used one for like five years before the cable completely shredded and I replaced it with a Diamondback about a year ago. My deathadder, as well as a friend's, lasted under a year, so ymmv.
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Nov 28, 2018 20:50
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Miftan posted:My deathadder, as well as a friend's, lasted under a year, so ymmv. Oh whoops that’s the one I have now, diamondback is the old one I guess it is a ymmv thing!!
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Nov 28, 2018 20:56
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Beware that Deathadders have a problem where the right mouse button stops working Kind of important in League ya know
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Nov 28, 2018 20:57
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fatal oopsie-daisy posted:Beware that Deathadders have a problem where the right mouse button stops working
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Nov 28, 2018 21:08
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I bought a mouse recently with a couple extra buttons thinking i would bind them to flash or whatever. Mouse 3 flashes mastery, mouse 4 is voice chat, mouse 5 is /laugh. Money well spent
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Nov 28, 2018 21:11
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I bound the side button to attack move, which is great for jungling as Graves and autoing minions during teamfights. During my awful attempts at playing Lee I bound it to trinket ward. My wardhopping wasn’t bad unlike the rest of my play
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kingcobweb posted:I would get him a Razer mouse. I don’t go to bat for many specific products, but their mouses are best in the business. I used one for like five years before the cable completely shredded and I replaced it with a Diamondback about a year ago. On the other hand, literally every Razer product I've owned or used has been absolute garbage, so your mileage will definitely vary. That being said, I do agree that rather than just dropping a fat stack of  on RP, you'd be better off buying a peripheral like a high quality game mouse / keyboard / whatever-they-might need. Mechanical mice are now a thing, so if he's playing a ton of video games where right-clicking is a thing (see: League, every other MOBA) it might be worth.
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