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Lightning Knight posted:Conservatives aren't funny, and I stand by the idea that it's primarily because they don't put effort in because they think you can say "so those [slur for marginalized group] am I right?" and get laughs. There's a bunch of other reasons too but there's a reason why conservatives aren't popular comedians outside of their own conservative base. Libertarians can occasionally be funny when they're making fun of politicians, even if it's coming from a place that abhors the very existence of a society. PJ O'Rourke was funny once upon a time, for example, before he became an ordinary conservative dickhead.
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Nov 29, 2018 01:43
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Can someone ask a UKer if remain is functionally the same as no deal? Maybe there is some missing context.
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Nov 29, 2018 01:44
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Imagine 4 deals on the edge of a cliff. Brexit works the same way.
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Nov 29, 2018 01:44
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Lol meanwhile in Britain Wow! Lol I remember reading about that problem and thinking "ok but when would that ever come up"
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Nov 29, 2018 01:44
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TGLT posted:Condorcet paradox is a situation in which the majority collectively prefers choice A over choice B, choice B over choice C, and choice C over choice A. So A>B>C>A>B>C>A...
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Nov 29, 2018 01:44
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:PJ O'Rourke was funny once upon a time, for example
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Nov 29, 2018 01:45
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Teabag Dome Scandal posted:Can someone ask a UKer if remain is functionally the same as no deal? Maybe there is some missing context. Remain means stay in the EU, no deal means Brexit but also zero sweet heart arrangements or any of that poo poo. It's also referred to as a hard Brexit. edit: I'm fairly certain, I ain't from the UK and really only read about Brexit when I want to read about people making worse decisions than me.
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Nov 29, 2018 01:45
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Lightning Knight posted:Conservatives aren't funny, and I stand by the idea that it's primarily because they don't put effort in because they think you can say "so those [slur for marginalized group] am I right?" and get laughs. There's a bunch of other reasons too but there's a reason why conservatives aren't popular comedians outside of their own conservative base. Yeah, there's a million reasons why conservative humor generally isn't funny but the gist of it is that they're really not putting in the effort. Its not comedy from a political view point or with a political slant. Its political rhetoric vaguely disguised as jokes. And I think you can find stuff like that on the left too, that's just dry and only really speaks to the people who feel super strongly with the rhetoric. But that's like all conservative humor is. I mean, the first 90 seconds of that video doesn't even try and tell a joke and just complains about being the victim of comedy and making a bold stand for comedic... american values? Its satire that doesn't even know its satire. Giggy posted:Is Red Eye with Greg Gutfeld still going strong? I think it got cancelled this year. He hadn't hosted for a few years but now he has his own Sunday night show that is basically the same thing with less sex and drug jokes.
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Nov 29, 2018 01:47
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Lightning Knight posted:I totally disagree that this is an accepted given and accurate description of the world and that's a big part of the issue. There's evidence to suggest that politicians can shape the opinion of the electorate and that the electorate responds to "what Democrats ought to believe" when prominent Democrats argue for a given policy. I'll grant that it can work that way as well. But the good poo poo? The stuff that actually makes the loving world better, that tends to happen when the people get rowdy and demand it. What, do you think that the politicians back in the early days of the labor movement just decided to pass a bunch of laws to protect workers rights and safety? No they did it because it because the workers demanded it. They got rowdy and made it clear that they either get that or there would be hell to pay. People talk about how there is all this support for progressive ideas. The problem is that there is a difference between people offering vague support for a thing and people demanding a thing or else. Until people start doing that you are correct the politicians are going to do what ever they think is right and ignore the voters. That's why I say if you really want to change things, the way you do it isn't complaining about the current Democrats it's by getting out and putting better ones in office. And yeah I get it. the game is rigged, it's not fair, the establishment is going to fight back. No loving poo poo! Power has never surrendered willingly it's only when they feel that they have no choice. The thing is that the American electorate isn't together on this stuff. They aren't demanding a certain thing they are demanding multiple contradictory things and the ones being most vociferous and active about it aren't the left, and it's not the young. It's the right. If you really want to see progress towards a better and more just world you need to be doing whatever you can to encourage people to get engaged. To buy into better ideas. To get better politicians elected. Kind like what the DSA and the "Justice" democrats are doing. Because as long as you continue to wait for some savior to come and inspire people. you're going to be disappointed with the process and the progress. Which is kind of the establishment's trick, convince you that nothing will change, both sides are the same and your voice doesn't matter. And if you accept the premise that change only comes from the top down they're right. So don't accept that premise, it's bullshit, it's demonstrably bullshit. LBJ didn't force the Civil Rights Act down the throats of a racist congress because he was some sort of enlightened saint, he did it because he knew that if he didn't get it done the country wasn't going to tear itself apart because black people were done putting up with that level of injustice and had organized themselves into a force that couldn't be silenced. Skex fucked around with this message at 01:55 on Nov 29, 2018 |
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Nov 29, 2018 01:50
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:They're not funny because jokes about how put-upon your boss and landlord are, can not possibly ever be funny. I mean that's the primary reason, not that they're not putting in the effort (some of them do, and they still aren't funny). yes minister is still my go-to for Good Conservative-Leaning Comedy, although that's arguably coming from as much the libertarian angle as anything
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Nov 29, 2018 01:51
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Thanks, but I think I felt better when I didn't understand it. I suspect the problem is that Hard-Brexiteers who prefer No Deal out of the three would still prefer Remain to May's Deal (May's Deal includes all the stuff about the EU they hate like movement of people and commercial regulations but the UK loses its say over them.) So you've got Remainers who would rather get something (May's Deal) than nothing (No Deal) But then you have Hard-Brexiteers who would rather get nothing (Remain) than something (May's Deal, which to them is worse than nothing). Then you've got the middle who support May's Deal but don't want to Remain and are willing to take No Deal (in other words they want to leave and don't care how) So Remain > May > No Deal And May > No Deal > Remain But also No Deal > Remain > May VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 02:04 on Nov 29, 2018 |
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Nov 29, 2018 01:56
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https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/1067852638509772800?s=21
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Nov 29, 2018 01:56
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I also want legal immigration. I just want that legality to be just showing up to a post office and registering and then if you don't break the law for five years BAM citizenship. I didn't and probably won't read but I don't see how accepting money from the teargas lobby means you can't criticize said product being used on kids. Isn't it more shocking he did speak out instead of being like YEAH GAS THE KIDS SELL MORE GAS THEY GIVE ME MONEY
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Nov 29, 2018 02:00
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STAC Goat posted:Yeah, there's a million reasons why conservative humor generally isn't funny but the gist of it is that they're really not putting in the effort. Its not comedy from a political view point or with a political slant. Its political rhetoric vaguely disguised as jokes. And I think you can find stuff like that on the left too, that's just dry and only really speaks to the people who feel super strongly with the rhetoric. But that's like all conservative humor is. family guy and south park are frequently extremely conservative humor and I'm not going to say they are funny and I feel like I'd rather die than watch family guy at this point but they are popular and well liked, even among nominal non-conservatives. They are mainstream at least.
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Nov 29, 2018 02:02
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:family guy and south park are frequently extremely conservative humor and I'm not going to say they are funny and I feel like I'd rather die than watch family guy at this point but they are popular and well liked, even among nominal non-conservatives. They are mainstream at least. tbh I think they're more libertarian than conservative, which doesn't make them better, but it definitely explains why they're popular.
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Nov 29, 2018 02:07
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STAC Goat posted:Yeah, there's a million reasons why conservative humor generally isn't funny but the gist of it is that they're really not putting in the effort. Its not comedy from a political view point or with a political slant. Its political rhetoric vaguely disguised as jokes. And I think you can find stuff like that on the left too, that's just dry and only really speaks to the people who feel super strongly with the rhetoric. But that's like all conservative humor is. Yeah, when they unveil "the Antifa" in a cage I was like... isn't this what you do when you're making fun of people that hate Antifa?
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Nov 29, 2018 02:08
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:family guy and south park are frequently extremely conservative humor LOL at the idea that they are "EXTREMELY" conservative humor. They're center-right.
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Nov 29, 2018 02:09
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Tough Crowd was funny a lot of the time and while I'm sure a lot of those guys considered themselves apolitical, the way that manifests in men, especially white men, especialy comedians, tends to just be conservatism.
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Nov 29, 2018 02:11
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The guys who shot the gas were probably even wearing clothing and drove there in cars! I bet they even eat food in their spare time!
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Nov 29, 2018 02:11
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In theory I think taking money from people you hate and using it to implement policies that hurts them owns, but I also don't trust him to do that lol
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Nov 29, 2018 02:11
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:family guy and south park are frequently extremely conservative humor and I'm not going to say they are funny and I feel like I'd rather die than watch family guy at this point but they are popular and well liked, even among nominal non-conservatives. They are mainstream at least. Family Guy is generally agreed to be liberal on balance, tho of course that's center right politically it's not "conservative," they just sometimes have weird lovely social opinions. South Park is basically the platonic ideal of douchebro "lol I called him a slur, laugh at my amazing humor." The only episode of South Park I ever liked was the one about World of Warcraft.
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Nov 29, 2018 02:15
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:family guy and south park are frequently extremely conservative humor and I'm not going to say they are funny and I feel like I'd rather die than watch family guy at this point but they are popular and well liked, even among nominal non-conservatives. They are mainstream at least. I haven't watched either in forever but like I wouldn't necessarily dispute that. And like there's plenty of comics out there who are conservatives. And you can probably find plenty of conservative or "centrist" or "liberal" or "succ" or whatever themes and jokes in plenty of comedy if you're looking. But like this stuff that tries to be a counter to The Daily Show isn't that. Its just rhetoric trying to even the odds. And like, whatever you think of Stephen Colbert and John Oliver they were comedians first and the politics came out of it, or just worked their way in as they became more and more relevant. That's not what that trailer is doing. Or Crowder or Gutfeld or Watters or whoever. They're just trying to "even the sides"and that trailer out right spends 75% of its time saying as much instead of trying to make you laugh.
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Nov 29, 2018 02:16
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Lemming posted:In theory I think taking money from people you hate and using it to implement policies that hurts them owns, but I also don't trust him to do that lol ehh, i have no particular reason at this exact moment to believe Booker is Bad On Immigration and his pharma/finance problems run considerably deeper than "received thousands or even tens of thousands of dollars in donation money"
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Nov 29, 2018 02:19
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:family guy and south park are frequently extremely conservative humor and I'm not going to say they are funny and I feel like I'd rather die than watch family guy at this point but they are popular and well liked, even among nominal non-conservatives. They are mainstream at least. How do you figure Family Guy as conservative? For comparison, SNL is much more conservative, both in the jokes, and in the direction by its creator, and it gave us Adam Sandler, Victoria Jackson (  ), Norm MacDonald, Dennis Miller and probably some other 90s white male cast members I'm forgetting about. Yes there are also plenty of liberal voices and jokes on the show, so its general them over time is as a "truth in the middle" thing even more than South Park, which takes some stands no matter how college sophomore libertarian they are.
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Nov 29, 2018 02:20
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https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1067950048162529280
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Nov 29, 2018 02:21
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stop talking i mean, don't actually stop talking, i hate you mr corsi and everything you have ever stood for, and your suffering and flippability fill me with joy but gently caress, how goddamn stupid can you be
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Nov 29, 2018 02:23
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Shockingly, I could not find as much as I thought by trying to google Chevy Chase's presumptively horrible political opinions. Also, Rob Schneider apparently became a Republican in 2013, so thank God for that.
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Nov 29, 2018 02:24
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Yeah, its gonna be fun to see if this is legit
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Nov 29, 2018 02:27
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Lemming posted:In theory I think taking money from people you hate and using it to implement policies that hurts them owns, but I also don't trust him to do that lol I kind of have a question about how deep you can reasonably hold a politician accountable for what's done not by the people who donated to him but by people who used the product the donator made. I mean, if you want to criticize Booker for taking donations from a weapons manufacturer (or something) at all I think that's fair game and I'd probably get on board. But like, he certainly had no reason to imagine they'd be used against refugee children at the border. But maybe he thought they'd be used against protestors or to quell revolutions in foreign countries or something so... I dunno. The framing just feels very opportunistic and misleading. I'm also kinda confused by the reporting. It reads like Booker already refunded most of what was donated but there's no indication of when or why. It just all feels kind of disjointed and without any real effort to figure out what was going on? I'm not really defending Booker here. I'm open to the idea that maybe he should at the very least refund donations and make a public statement. But like... I'm really not sure. Has he already? And like, what the hell is Safariland? It sounds like maybe they're some kind of cleverly worded weapons manufacturer? I probably don't want my politician taking their money, even if I don't really see a direct line of criticism to the border.
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Nov 29, 2018 02:27
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Speaking of Comedy Ok I actually laughed at this one.
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Nov 29, 2018 02:29
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Speaking of Comedy Isn't... isn't that kind of the moral of the movie? You know... with out all the sexist words.
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Nov 29, 2018 02:30
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But doing shameworthy things doesn't mean you should shamed, ugh!
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Nov 29, 2018 02:32
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Lightning Knight posted:South Park is basically the platonic ideal of douchebro "lol I called him a slur, laugh at my amazing humor." The only episode of South Park I ever liked was the one about World of Warcraft. They just did a two-parter that brought back Al Gore and Manbearpig that basically picked on themselves for getting the climate change thing wrong however many years ago they did the first Manbearpig episode
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Nov 29, 2018 02:32
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Lightning Knight posted:Ok I actually laughed at this one. 
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Nov 29, 2018 02:32
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:They just did a two-parter that brought back Al Gore and Manbearpig that basically picked on themselves for getting the climate change thing wrong however many years ago they did the first Manbearpig episode Yeah but they don't get credit for this because when they did the original they were way more culturally relevant.  it's me, I'm the baddie.
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Nov 29, 2018 02:35
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:They just did a two-parter that brought back Al Gore and Manbearpig that basically picked on themselves for getting the climate change thing wrong however many years ago they did the first Manbearpig episode For the sake of argument could you argue that's the relative equivalent of the ever popular these days "hey, everyone was kind of a racist nazi on the internet 10 years ago" thing?
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Nov 29, 2018 02:36
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Family Guy loves to make a rapist likable and use rape in general as a punch line or a gag, among other 80s style punching downwards humor on racial stereotypes and random shock violence. It'll try to pretend its better than it is with like some weird melodramatics over a dog staying dead for a while or dumb time travel plots, but its not so vile ren and stimpy kind of humor for aging gen Xers and adult swim stoners that made it a perfect rebound on Fox. It may have loved to rag on Dubya back in the day, but this is the same show that said the world would die in some kind of right wing apocalypse if 9/11 didn't happen. Too bad he thought the ring leader would be W.
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This is one of those things that I'm pretty sure it's extremely hilarious but it's also so insane I'm questioning what I have to be missing You wouldn't just go on tv and do this right?? He's just incredibly stupid and this is hilarious right?????
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