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Owlofcreamcheese posted:You get that if you lived in a world where the house bill where illegal immigration was a felony was the one that passed you'd be crying "those useless dems! all they had to do was vote for a useless short fence to have stopped this, but they'd rather murder babies I guess! honestly this is what they wanted" or something. They could have filibustered it dude
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Chomskyan posted:Do you ever try to actually contend with facts that threaten your worldview? Or is this "fox news framing" thought-terminating cliche you employ the only coping mechanism you have? Like you are literally paroting a fox news talking point. Like I know you didn't look through 12 year old bills yourself, you literally found that point by having fox news feed it to you so you could fall hook line and sinker into it's framing, that it was something obama affirmatively wanted instead of the real context that it was a portion of a compromise bill that he denounced.
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eke out posted:not even close to what i said and you know it I mean I know what you meant, I just think people should be mad. Every single one of those dollars is going to hurt people, vulnerable, marginalized people. If there is any way whatsoever they could torpedo that money being dispersed, they should do it.
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Lightning Knight posted:I mean I know what you meant, I just think people should be mad. Every single one of those dollars is going to hurt people, vulnerable, marginalized people. If there is any way whatsoever they could torpedo that money being dispersed, they should do it. Again, I'd go as far to say that a stimulus bill using this money that gives 3 dollars and some change to every American would be more favorable to me. It's money that is actively fueling bigotry
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:MAGA is trying their own late night comedy show Right wing garbage golems once again proving the universal rule: conservatives have no humor and aren’t funny
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Munkeymon posted:I understand the point you're trying to make here but I would like to point out that the constitution doesn't give the federal government the power to force states to put random questions on the ballot. They could pass a law to hold a national nonbinding referendum on any arbitrary date. They could mail it out like they do the census, if they wanted.
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Didn't they try to do a Conservative version of The Colbert Report that lasted all of like 3 episodes?
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Like really just think of every underfunded government agency and the idea you're supporting that border fences are more important than all of them
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an AOL chatroom posted:Didn't they try to do a Conservative version of The Colbert Report that lasted all of like 3 episodes? Conservatives aren't funny, and I stand by the idea that it's primarily because they don't put effort in because they think you can say "so those [slur for marginalized group] am I right?" and get laughs. There's a bunch of other reasons too but there's a reason why conservatives aren't popular comedians outside of their own conservative base.
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Chomskyan posted:It's not right wing framing, it's objective fact. And yes, they did vote to support walling off the border my dude. Notably missing: Both Senators from Hawaii. Hawaii is the best state
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an AOL chatroom posted:Didn't they try to do a Conservative version of The Colbert Report that lasted all of like 3 episodes? A conservative version of Colbert is any nightly Fox news show. But yeah they did an awful Daily Show rip that I want to say lasted a season that was painfully unfunny because like all "conservative comedy" it was just 30 minutes of mean-spirited punching down
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:A conservative version of Colbert is any nightly Fox news show. Yeah, I just found this: https://www.reddit.com/r/cringe/comments/8zii7f/that_time_fox_news_tried_making_a_conservative/ Reddit, but yeah
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Lightning Knight posted:Conservatives aren't funny, and I stand by the idea that it's primarily because they don't put effort in because they think you can say "so those [slur for marginalized group] am I right?" and get laughs. There's a bunch of other reasons too but there's a reason why conservatives aren't popular comedians outside of their own conservative base. Its really just one reason. Its hard to be funny when you are stupid.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Like you are literally paroting a fox news talking point. Like I know you didn't look through 12 year old bills yourself, you literally found that point by having fox news feed it to you so you could fall hook line and sinker into it's framing, that it was something obama affirmatively wanted instead of the real context that it was a portion of a compromise bill that he denounced. So your argument is "even true things, once said on Fox News, become lies". Literally a cartoon parody to retcon away previous events, is your serious(?) position.
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VitalSigns posted:So your argument is "even true things, once said on Fox News, become lies". Literally a cartoon parody to retcon away previous events, is your serious(?) position. Don't be a dick, everyone knows that famous saying "a broken clock is never right, ever"
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https://twitter.com/ScottMStedman/status/1067916408208580608 interesting.
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VitalSigns posted:They could pass a law to hold a national nonbinding referendum on any arbitrary date. They could mail it out like they do the census, if they wanted. Oh yeah good point since the census apparatus under Commerce does all kinds of survey work so that'd fit in pretty well.
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an AOL chatroom posted:Yeah, I just found this: https://www.reddit.com/r/cringe/comments/8zii7f/that_time_fox_news_tried_making_a_conservative/ The only one that got a laugh out of me was the OJ one, proving once and for all that jokes about OJ Simpson murdering people truly transcend political ideology.
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VitalSigns posted:So your argument is "even true things, once said on Fox News, become lies". Literally a cartoon parody to retcon away previous events, is your serious(?) position. My argument is if you hear something by fox news telling you it you should probably look up the context and the way they frame it to see if they are misleading you, because surprise, they are! And "but dems supported trump's wall in 2006" is not the same as 'a fence was part of a compromise bill that obama spoke out against"
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FlamingLiberal posted:God the Epstein story is bonkers. It alleges that the Feds may have given a serial rapist a slap on the wrist to protect some of Epstein’s powerful friends, and also so that he would testify in the prosecution of some Wall Street people in the aftermath of the 2008 crash. In addition, the ‘punishment’ he received was 18 months in county jail where he could go for 12 hours a day, 6 days a week to a cushy office as ‘work release’. This doesn’t even get into the fact that the victims were never notified of the plea deal and only learned after the fact. Google "DuPont Heir Baby Rapist." The Rich You See, Are Quite Different Than You and Me.
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corn in the bible posted:sure sounds like a good reason to vote for the iraq war lol Voting for the Iraq War at the time was stupid, but given the mood of the electorate I can understand making the cynical choice to vote for it, particularly if you were a woman senator who was having to fight against cultural biases that saw women as being weak and passive. I didn't agree with that vote, I screamed and wrote letters and called congress people, called talk radio stations posted on the loving internet, went to protests and did everything that I to stop it. But the inertia of a bunch of scared people, particularly when it was being stoked and fanned by a sophisticated well funded propaganda system was overwhelming. It is why I voted for and supported Obama in 2008 primary and election. But even though I don't agree with Clinton or other Democrats who voted for it at the time but I get that they were some of them were making a cynical political calculation and for the most part. And if I'm being perfectly honest I wasn't particularly happy about voting for her in 2016, but what else was I going to do, vote for Trump? For what it's worth, you know who did vote against it that the Dems are bad brigade are always making GBS threads on? Nancy Pelosi. Oh and of the 110 Democrats who voted for the Iraq war in 2002, only 20 were still holding elected office up until this year's midterm. And at least on of those got taken out by AOC. So it's not like they were rewarded for it over the long term.
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Munkeymon posted:Oh yeah good point since the census apparatus under Commerce does all kinds of survey work so that'd fit in pretty well. i'm pretty sure you're right that you literally couldn't pass a law to do a nonbinding national federal referendum.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:My argument is if you hear something by fox news telling you it you should probably look up the context and the way they frame it to see if they are misleading you, because surprise, they are! And "but dems supported trump's wall in 2006" is not the same as 'a fence was part of a compromise bill that obama spoke out against" In this case the framing is correct, most Dem legislators are just fine with wasting money on a racist wall, they just don't like Trump personally. That's why voting for lesser-racist deals is bad, you get no credit from Republicans who will call you a communist no matter what, but they'll bring it up later to call you a hypocrite for cynically triangulating your way to being 27.263% as racist as them and they'll be right!
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eke out posted:i'm pretty sure you're right that you literally couldn't pass a law to do a nonbinding national federal referendum.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:My argument is if you hear something by fox news telling you it you should probably look up the context and the way they frame it to see if they are misleading you, because surprise, they are! And "but dems supported trump's wall in 2006" is not the same as 'a fence was part of a compromise bill that obama spoke out against" So what did Obama say precisely when he spoke out against the bill he voted for?
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Lol meanwhile in Britain
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Rent-A-Cop posted:I went to school in America. Please explain. https://twitter.com/trepur349/status/1067917255651012618
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Lol meanwhile in Britain i swear i just stared at this for a full minute
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:MAGA is trying their own late night comedy show This looks so horrendously awful I eagerly look forward to it crashing and burning
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Lol meanwhile in Britain That's impressively stupid.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:I went to school in America. Please explain. The majority of respondents say they prefer Remaining over May's Brexit Deal, No Deal over Remaining, and May's Brexit Deal over No Deal. Think of it as saying B>A, C>B, but then A>C. Now this can work at all because it's a ranked preference thing but it's still loving lunatic poo poo.
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Washington state leg tried to do something similar with a use of force initiative earlier in the year. It wasn’t during a lame duck but they tried to get the initiative off the ballot by passing mostly equivalent language and our courts hit them on the nose and made them put it back. We can’t even have lame duck sessions but I wouldn’t be surprised if they would have tried the same poo poo if we had.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Lol meanwhile in Britain The perfect illustration of why putting something like Brexit to the voters is an unbelievably bad idea. David Cameron destroyed British politics.
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Retro42 posted:Ugh, why does Ari Melber even give Corsi air time? Seems like a waste. Not like Corsi is going to say anything truthful or relevant. Gotta try and get ratings to sell the car commercials.
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The Michigan GOP sprinting to be as evil as possible is might be less than helpful in 2020 https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1067917087979507712
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Rent-A-Cop posted:I went to school in America. Please explain. Condorcet paradox is a situation in which the majority collectively prefers choice A over choice B, choice B over choice C, and choice C over choice A. So A>B>C>A>B>C>A... It's not that people are individually changing their opinion constantly, I mean not necessarily, but more that no one option is well liked by enough people. TGLT fucked around with this message at 01:42 on Nov 29, 2018 |
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Feinne posted:The majority of respondents say they prefer Remaining over May's Brexit Deal, No Deal over Remaining, and May's Brexit Deal over No Deal. Think of it as saying B>A, C>B, but then A>C. Now this can work at all because it's a ranked preference thing but it's still loving lunatic poo poo. This is my interpretation, but gently caress if I can take the interpretation and walk it over to an understanding of what in the living hell these people were thinking.
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