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Supersonic Shine posted:That's what I meant. I was trying to illustrate the difference between Jotaro being unable to rely on his cards and seeking other avenues to victory and the manga presenting everything with utmost confidence, no matter how unbelievable they are. My metaphors may need a bit of work.
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It's cool. Jotaro bluffing his way through the poker game is easily one of the best moments of the series. It's always satisfying to see somebody win a poker game through some good old-fashioned mind games and poker faces as opposed to some good old-fashioned luck.
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Nov 28, 2018 23:08
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Dragonwagon posted:So I guess all of Araki's earlier work shows up in Jojo in some way? I hadn't even noticed... This makes Koichi being such a fan even funnier
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somepartsareme posted:i thought he just didnt look at his cards cause he didn't want to know if they were bad Not looking at the cards was part of the psychological fake out.
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Nov 29, 2018 00:47
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Jotaro vs. D'Arby the Gambler is still my favorite Stand battle from all of Part 3.
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It's even better when you realize he was unknowingly making D'Arby think "oh poo poo can his Stand stop time too?"
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Nov 29, 2018 03:20
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Funky Valentine posted:Oh poo poo is Lisa Lisa okay. Even with ripple users having slowed aging I doubt she's alive by the time of Part 4/5. EDIT: Expect My Mom posted:josuke's grandma got hit by the same car twice in one day! By the way, while this theory is really funny I think it's very unlikely Josuke was referring to his paternal grandmother considering how disconnected he was from that family. He was probably talking about his maternal grandmother, if he wasn't making the story up. vvvv: Joseph just says(in Part 3) that he talked to her about the Joestar birthmark at some point, not that it was recent. I think she was probably still alive in Part 3 though. RatHat fucked around with this message at 03:36 on Nov 29, 2018 |
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Nov 29, 2018 03:29
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RatHat posted:Even with ripple users having slowed aging I doubt she's alive by the time of Part 4/5.
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Nov 29, 2018 03:31
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Nessus posted:She was certainly alive as of part 3, wasn't she? I think even in part 4 Joseph said he consulted with her. Considering she actually practiced the ripple instead of quarter-assing it like Joseph "I Left A Part Of Myself In Japan" Joestar, she might be alive but strongly resembling Enyaba. No there is no mention of her in part 3 or 4.
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Nov 29, 2018 03:37
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Joseph mentions her right at the start of Part 3 when talking about the Joestar birthmark.
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Nov 29, 2018 03:40
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RatHat posted:By the way, while this theory is really funny I think it's very unlikely Josuke was referring to his paternal grandmother considering how disconnected he was from that family. He was probably talking about his maternal grandmother, if he wasn't making the story up. Reference because I feel like that line was cut from the anime but maybe not 
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Would D'arby the Gambler be a good episode to show someone who has never watched the series? Even though the stands are mostly ancillary to the action I think it's one of the purest distillations of Jojo's story dynamics.
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Nov 29, 2018 06:49
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D'Arby is probably the single best chapter in all of animated Jojo
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Nov 29, 2018 07:00
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Dragonwagon posted:So I guess all of Araki's earlier work shows up in Jojo in some way? Is that the Polnareff pose?
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Nov 29, 2018 07:28
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Sockser posted:D'Arby is probably the single best chapter in all of animated Jojo Oingo Boingo was better. 
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Nov 29, 2018 07:31
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Is that the Polnareff pose? No, the Polnareff pose is the one where he is standing at like a 10 degree angle from the ground rather than diving sorta parallel to the ground
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Nov 29, 2018 07:40
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Pomplamoose posted:Would D'arby the Gambler be a good episode to show someone who has never watched the series? Even though the stands are mostly ancillary to the action I think it's one of the purest distillations of Jojo's story dynamics. D'arby the Gambler was my first episode of JoJo and it got me hooked on the series
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Nov 29, 2018 12:27
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Pomplamoose posted:Would D'arby the Gambler be a good episode to show someone who has never watched the series? Even though the stands are mostly ancillary to the action I think it's one of the purest distillations of Jojo's story dynamics. The Lovers is also a strong one. And shows a bit more action. D'arby is a perfect example of why Jotaro is such an incredible badass.
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Nov 29, 2018 14:27
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I started from Red Hot Chilli Pepper, which I think is better because it is a very good conventional "Stand Fight" episode.
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Nov 29, 2018 14:49
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the best episode to start from is the one where there is a stand which is an electrical outlet that makes you buttfuck your friend
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Pomplamoose posted:Would D'arby the Gambler be a good episode to show someone who has never watched the series? Even though the stands are mostly ancillary to the action I think it's one of the purest distillations of Jojo's story dynamics. I can say from first-hand experience: Yes it is Mel Mudkiper posted:the best episode to start from is the one where there is a stand which is an electrical outlet that makes you buttfuck your friend the best episode to start from is the one where a blonde English boy jumps out of a carriage and then glares smugly at the screen with a choir sting and Japanese characters framing his face
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Nov 29, 2018 17:06
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[both sincerely and overly smugly] start with episode 1
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Nov 29, 2018 17:09
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The first two arcs of jojo are weird because you have to watch them to grasp what happens later on but nothing really identifiable as jojo really comes until part 3 outside of the posing
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Nov 29, 2018 17:32
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Mel Mudkiper posted:The first two arcs of jojo are weird because you have to watch them to grasp what happens later on but nothing really identifiable as jojo really comes until part 3 outside of the posing I don't think so. Larger-than-life characters and clever fights won through outsmarting the other side rather than brute force, together with strong one-liners, exist in Part 2 already (and to a lesser extent in Part 1). The only thing Part 3 really introduces to the formula is Stands, which are obviously heavily important since they're the main method of fighting in the show, but the bases for the rest already existed.
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Nov 29, 2018 17:58
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Pomplamoose posted:Would D'arby the Gambler be a good episode to show someone who has never watched the series? Even though the stands are mostly ancillary to the action I think it's one of the purest distillations of Jojo's story dynamics. As someone who's first experience with Jojo was the OVA D'arby episode: yes. Expect My Mom posted:[both sincerely and overly smugly] start with episode 1 If you want to get into Jojo for the sake of getting into Jojo, then doing that makes decent enough sense. But if someone wanted me to introduce them into Jojo, or if I were hoping to get someone else into the series, I would start with part 2.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:The first two arcs of jojo are weird because you have to watch them to grasp what happens later on but nothing really identifiable as jojo really comes until part 3 outside of the posing Uhhh no? Phantom Blood and Battle Tendency are both pretty identifiable as jojo. If you're reducing jojo down to just stands and posing then there is a whole lot else you're missing. If you think Phantom Blood and Battle Tendency aren't really identifiable as being jojo then I don't really know what to tell you because it's pretty obvious imo that they are totally jojo as hell
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Nov 29, 2018 18:10
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Pomplamoose posted:Would D'arby the Gambler be a good episode to show someone who has never watched the series? Even though the stands are mostly ancillary to the action I think it's one of the purest distillations of Jojo's story dynamics. Hell yeah. Especially good if that someone rolls their eyes at the prospect of "ugh great another shonen thing where people just punch and scream at each other" and you show them something that's all tension, no fighting.
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Nov 29, 2018 18:17
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Schwarzwald posted:If you want to get into Jojo for the sake of getting into Jojo, then doing that makes decent enough sense. Yes JoJo undergoes changes throughout that will appeal differently to people but the things I like in JoJo are still very much there in Part 1 and I have no problem starting a friend there. Like im not gonna be the JoJo Police and arrest someone for starting with this new season, hell this is a great starting point, but I'm always going to say that starting at the beginning is the best. That's why it's called Part 1 Episode 1
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Mel Mudkiper posted:The first two arcs of jojo are weird because you have to watch them to grasp what happens later on but nothing really identifiable as jojo really comes until part 3 outside of the posing Not particularly. There was a Stardust Crusaders OVA that worked pretty well, even if DIO's presence wasn't wholly explained.
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Blaze Dragon posted:I don't think so. Larger-than-life characters and clever fights won through outsmarting the other side rather than brute force, together with strong one-liners, exist in Part 2 already (and to a lesser extent in Part 1). FirstAidKite posted:Uhhh no? I am not just referring to stands. I am referring to stuff like art design, character types, plot structure, etc. which all aren't really present in the first two arcs. Plotwise, the first two arcs have a sort of dragon ball style arc about getting strong enough to beat the big bad. Later seasons are more about working through a rogues gallery to find the villain. Artwise, like, just look at a picture of Johnathan from the first arc and compare it to GioGio. Hell even compare Jotaro part 3 to Jotaro part 4.
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The first two and a half episodes of part 1 are basically a period drama with no supernatural elements and I don't think that's a very good representation of Jojo as a whole. So if someone asked me to show what's so great about Jojo I would probably recommend an episode from one of the later parts to watch.
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Phantom Blood being a period drama for the first two episodes makes the weird poo poo hit super hard, along with the added tension of the stone mask lurking in the background. Also Speedwagon is there and I wouldn't miss that for anything.
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Nov 29, 2018 19:33
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdAnKt2jTTY There needs to be a French, Chinese, Hindi, and Arabic dub of Stardust Crusaders
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Dragonwagon posted:The first two and a half episodes of part 1 are basically a period drama with no supernatural elements and I don't think that's a very good representation of Jojo as a whole. So if someone asked me to show what's so great about Jojo I would probably recommend an episode from one of the later parts to watch.    part 1 owns 
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Nov 29, 2018 19:40
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God, Dio being such a dickish 12-year-old and then getting that beatdown is so good.
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Nov 29, 2018 19:46
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If you think about it the moral of all of Jojo is dont be nice to poor people
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Like the period drama is so JoJo dude. Heres an anime that opens as a gothic Victorian tragedy, of class and circumstances tearing a family apart and driving a good man to the brink of his morality, he must confront the truth of his brother's betrayal, the brother he has spent seven years learning to love, all while another man toils madly with ancient artifacts, attempting to relieve himself of the shackles of his station, a station that has only brought him misery and taught him naught but how to inflict that misery on others. And it works, he becomes something beyond himself, and now the good man must become a Great Man, and set out to destroy his brother, practically his own blood. And a guy named Speedwagon is there. And that's only one hour of television
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FirstAidKite posted:Uhhh no? not enough dad rock names in part 1 or part 2
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Mel Mudkiper posted:If you think about it the moral of all of Jojo is dont be nice to poor people Being nice to Speedwagon made the world an objectively better place. The difference is that Dio thinks of himself as "not rich yet," so fully falling for the siren call of Capitalism that he becomes a physical manifestation of it.
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