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Wheeee posted:In addition, compact cars remain one of the largest segments in the industry, Ford and GM aren't abandoning cars because they don't sell, they're abandoning cars because they aren't able to make competitive offerings and actually make money off of them. Completely wrong. The compact segment has been shrinking year over year and has suffered double-digit declines each of the last four years (I didn't research further back but I suspect the trend continues). At a certain point, it doesn't matter whether the cars you have sell relative to the rest of the segment, there are fixed costs that one must recoup in order to justify developing the car. The cars they have currently are selling but there's absolutely no reason to develop the next platform when the trend is going the direction it is. Both the Cruze and Focus are in the top six in the segment (a segment that contains ~30 models) but at some point federalization isn't worth doing and that line was crossed a while back. It's not like this hasn't happened plenty of times before in plenty of other automotive segments, from personal luxury coupes in the 70s to hatches in the 80s to FWD sport coupes in the 90s. All of those have nearly completely disappeared and were lynchpins of the lineups a decade prior. It's completely normal over the last century for vehicle segments to disappear and there's nothing to indicate the sky is falling this time.
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Nov 26, 2018 23:33
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That's basically what I said, they aren't able to make a profit on such low-margin cars, whereas say Hyundai and Toyota can. It has nothing to do with market share.
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Nov 26, 2018 23:44
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Crazy 2 think that due to the trends of the past few years, which will inevitably continue forever, sedans will soon be gone and instead everyone will drive tiny crossover SUVs (rebranded hatchbacks).
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Nov 27, 2018 00:03
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Wheeee posted:That's basically what I said, they aren't able to make a profit on such low-margin cars, whereas say Hyundai and Toyota can. No, it's directly a function of market share. There is only so much to go around in a shrinking segment and those who aren't at the top simply aren't going to recoup development and, when applicable, federalization costs over the lifetime of the platform. The only tab I still had open is this one but it illustrates the point:  Whether they sell 10 cars or a billion cars, the cost to develop and certify a new platform doesn't change and if the segment on the whole is selling about half of what it was the last time a platform was developed then guess what? How much market share you have in the segment is the only thing that matters. This isn't rocket science. The fact is that developing and federalizing a platform for the US compact segment simply isn't viable if you aren't Honda or Toyota, period. Ford and GM make just as much profit on C segment cars as Hyundai, and they sell in about equal numbers once you add up all their platform mates.
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Nov 27, 2018 00:08
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Vox Nihili posted:Crazy 2 think that due to the trends of the past few years, which will inevitably continue forever, sedans will soon be gone and instead everyone will drive tiny crossover SUVs (rebranded hatchbacks). I picked my hatchback because it was affordable and not terrible for the environment.
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Nov 27, 2018 00:12
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https://twitter.com/SCMPNews/status/1065744233204785153
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Nov 27, 2018 03:39
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LastInLine posted:No, it's directly a function of market share. There is only so much to go around in a shrinking segment and those who aren't at the top simply aren't going to recoup development and, when applicable, federalization costs over the lifetime of the platform. The only tab I still had open is this one but it illustrates the point: it's slightly more complicated, but it does boil down to "there's no money in it". the margins on smaller cars are way smaller (hurr) for obvious reasons, but you also wind up with situations where like 10-15% more money gets you into a vastly bigger car with only a minor fuel economy hit at best. these are list prices: 2018 yaris hatchback is 15.6k, 30/36mpg 2019 yaris iA/mazda2 sedan is 15.5k, 32/40 mpg 2019 corolla is 18.7k, 28/36 mpg 2019 camry is 23.8k, 29/41 mpg cafe/california is the driver of the most regulations when it comes to cars, and that only goes so far. combine that with states having their own laws when it comes to taxes, maintenance, licensing, etc... there's nothing like taxes based on engine displacement, COx/NOx output, or weight to tip the scales in the favor of smaller cars. this is also the country where 91% of people own a car (some critics will say that this is proof of how much americans love freedom) as well as protectionist stuff like the chicken tax (lol foreign trucks).
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Nov 27, 2018 04:04
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Didn't they need those small cars to play math games with the average mpg ratings of all the vehicles they produced?
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Nov 27, 2018 04:38
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MRC48B posted:Didn't they need those small cars to play math games with the average mpg ratings of all the vehicles they produced? were those requirements by any chance imposed by EPA regulations? I wonder if something happened there. hail satan.
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Nov 27, 2018 05:08
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silentsnack posted:were those requirements by any chance imposed by EPA regulations? I wonder if something happened there. it’s this. there was a graduated plan to force auto manufacturers hit certain mpg targets across the entirety of their lineup (of course, with thousands of loopholes that thread the needle to make sure that passenger cars and trucks were clearly delineated, eMPG fuckery by throwing some numbers into excel and coming to the conclusion that the nissan leaf has 327 eMPG, etc). the plan was actually pretty aggressive and is at least partially responsible for stuff like widespread hybridization, tech like auto stop/start, as well as manufacturers doing the calculus and coming to the conclusion that it makes sense to import certain models from europe or asia in order to boost fleet-wide mpg numbers by the target year. but, the stick of regulation is gone and we’re on the cusp of another financial disaster that everyone will claim that they couldn’t have foreseen: the pending subprime auto loan collapse. since america doesn’t have a tightly regulated protectionist scheme or tax structure that winds up spawning something akin to the japanese kei car segment, there’s no reason to not get out while the getting is good; it’s going to get way worse but that’s in the future and gm “restructuring” right now gives them an alibi in a few years’ time. i wouldn’t be surprised if parallels are drawn between gm “seeing the writing on the wall” in 2018 to ford’s divestment in volvo, mazda, aston martin, etc post 2008 being touted as “responsible” auto manufacturer (even though they still took a bunch of federal dollars and saw F spike from 1 to 10 bucks a share in the span of 18 months).
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Nov 27, 2018 07:13
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Lol that GM immediately cancels models like the volt that they touted as justification for their bailout as soon as Trump takes off the leash.
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Nov 27, 2018 19:47
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corporations acting in their own interests why i never e: 
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Nov 28, 2018 02:34
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i'm gay
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Nov 28, 2018 03:40
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Nothus posted:Lol that GM immediately cancels models like the volt that they touted as justification for their bailout as soon as Trump takes off the leash. goddamn my volt is the only car I didn’t hate
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Nov 28, 2018 04:00
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LastInLine posted:No, it's directly a function of market share. There is only so much to go around in a shrinking segment and those who aren't at the top simply aren't going to recoup development and, when applicable, federalization costs over the lifetime of the platform. The only tab I still had open is this one but it illustrates the point: a solid 15 Cubes sold in 2016
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Nov 28, 2018 05:37
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Victory Position posted:a solid 15 Cubes sold in 2016 2014 was the last year of production so those had been sitting around for 2 years
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Nov 28, 2018 06:16
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbFVEZ32tos Humans training robots to replace every single human activity—not to enrich all of us as individuals, but rather to maximize profits for abstractions like corporations—might have unintended consequences
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Nov 28, 2018 21:03
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Nothus posted:Lol that GM immediately cancels models like the volt that they touted as justification for their bailout as soon as Trump takes off the leash. Help! Please bail us out because we are too big to fail and we promise to do good if you keep us afloat. But we never noticed that they had their fingers crosses bwhind their backs the whole time!
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Nov 28, 2018 21:20
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Nov 29, 2018 06:57
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lol
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Nov 29, 2018 07:00
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what on earth could they possibly do with that data
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Nov 29, 2018 07:01
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Shear Modulus posted:what on earth could they possibly do with that data probably a lot if it’s from a Fitbit or something similar that records all day they can easily figure out when you sleep/wake, when you exercise, when you get anxious at work, tons of stuff. heart rate data could be a goldmine
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Nov 29, 2018 07:21
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i made a thing i hope you hate it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPsCv9_KWl4
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Nov 29, 2018 07:22
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https://twitter.com/AnthonyBlakeDev/status/1068089573895520258
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Nov 29, 2018 15:48
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This is one of those "if it weren't for capitalism this would be good for workers" things
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Nov 29, 2018 15:56
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the poor exploited porn doujinshi colorists
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Nov 29, 2018 16:11
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Anime is blood
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Nov 29, 2018 16:13
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Poniard posted:Anime is blood 3 hours of free time? this layabout brings shame to nippon.
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Nov 29, 2018 16:19
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that dude has sold a lot of comic books
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Nov 29, 2018 16:27
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outlaw anime
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Nov 29, 2018 21:14
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Food Boner posted:outlaw anime
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Nov 29, 2018 21:41
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Food Boner posted:outlaw anime https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0266171/
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Nov 29, 2018 21:46
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if you outlaw anime, only outlaws will have anime
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Nov 29, 2018 21:49
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There's one with a live demo if you want to try it out https://s2p.moe/
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Nov 29, 2018 22:01
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Rated PG-34 posted:if you outlaw anime, only outlaws will have anime mamas don't let your babies grow up to be weeaboos
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Nov 29, 2018 23:23
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outlaw star is one of my favorite animes thanks
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Nov 29, 2018 23:29
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South Koreans lock themselves up to escape prison of daily lifequote:HONGCHEON, South Korea (Reuters) - For most people, prison is a place to escape from. For South Koreans in need of a break from the demands of everyday life, a day in a faux jail is the escape.
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Nov 30, 2018 02:52
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Food Boner posted:outlaw anime 
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Nov 30, 2018 02:55
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"outlaw anime and hunt/execute the consumers thereof" is equally easy to get behind
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Nov 30, 2018 03:01
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outlaw outlaw anime
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