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this guy is also apparently a powerful Chicago politician, so it could just be ordinary corruption unlinked to trump
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evilweasel posted:this guy is also apparently a powerful Chicago politician, so it could just be ordinary corruption unlinked to trump Similarly the Deutsche Bank thing is probably unrelated, but could give the dem house more leverage to probe ties there: https://twitter.com/TimOBrien/status/1068196329757786120 https://twitter.com/dsupervilleap/status/1068197225694732288
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I keep seeing on twitter that Burke's firm represented Trump for 12 years. WHICH 12 years? There's a big difference between representing him in the 90's, and representing him until 2017.
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marshmonkey posted:Similarly the Deutsche Bank thing is probably unrelated, but could give the dem house more leverage to probe ties there: https://twitter.com/TimOBrien/status/1068196329757786120 Yeah, and there's also some shady stuff by Anthony Kennedy's son, an exec there, with Trump.
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Rigel posted:I keep seeing on twitter that Burke's firm represented Trump for 12 years. WHICH 12 years? There's a big difference between representing him in the 90's, and representing him until 2017. I mean, Chicago is notoriously corrupt and the guy is a politician who controls City Hall's purse strings, so unless someone has evidence linking the raid to Trump I think it's a stretch. The default assumption should be that this is a local political corruption investigation.
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evilweasel posted:I mean, Chicago is notoriously corrupt and the guy is a politician who controls City Hall's purse strings, so unless someone has evidence linking the raid to Trump I think it's a stretch. The default assumption should be that this is a local political corruption investigation. Its Chicago, which should also bump the odds of "local political corruption" up by at least 30%
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evilweasel posted:I mean, Chicago is notoriously corrupt and the guy is a politician who controls City Hall's purse strings, so unless someone has evidence linking the raid to Trump I think it's a stretch. The default assumption should be that this is a local political corruption investigation. On the other hand, if they dig enough they will inevitably come across Trump stuff even if that's not what were looking for. Finding corrupt things Burke has done may inevitably have a thread leading to Trump, as there's no way he worked for Trump and didn't do anything skeevy for him.
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quote:I keep seeing on twitter that Burke's firm represented Trump for 12 years. WHICH 12 years? There's a big difference between representing him in the 90's, and representing him until 2017. quote:A law firm headed by Ald. Edward M. Burke, one of Chicago’s most powerful Democrats, has helped Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump and investors in his luxury downtown hotel cut their property taxes by 39 percent over seven years, saving them $11.7 million, a Chicago Sun-Times analysis has found. Oracle fucked around with this message at 18:54 on Nov 29, 2018 |
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Nov 29, 2018 18:52
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It's amazing how bad he is at this.
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Deteriorata posted:On the other hand, if they dig enough they will inevitably come across Trump stuff even if that's not what were looking for. Finding corrupt things Burke has done may inevitably have a thread leading to Trump, as there's no way he worked for Trump and didn't do anything skeevy for him. FBI agents aren't going to be allowed to rummage through any files relating to his work as an attorney, if this raid isn't linked to that work, without being able to show cause to do so.
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Apparently Burke's firm did tax work for Trump a while ago, so this is not Mueller and probably not related to Trump. We're probably looking at yet another Chicago politician on the verge of prison for public corruption.
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Deteriorata posted:On the other hand, if they dig enough they will inevitably come across Trump stuff even if that's not what were looking for. Finding corrupt things Burke has done may inevitably have a thread leading to Trump, as there's no way he worked for Trump and didn't do anything skeevy for him. https://twitter.com/djlavoie/status/1068200825623846912
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evilweasel posted:FBI agents aren't going to be allowed to rummage through any files relating to his work as an attorney, if this raid isn't linked to that work, without being able to show cause to do so. We already know how many documents were protected by privilege. That's all been determined months ago. It was literally less than a dozen.
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fool_of_sound posted:We already know how many documents were protected by privilege. That's all been determined months ago. It was literally less than a dozen. That was for Cohen. This is a different lawyer.
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Frabba posted:That was for Cohen. This is a different lawyer. Oh my bad
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Deteriorata posted:On the other hand, if they dig enough they will inevitably come across Trump stuff even if that's not what were looking for. Finding corrupt things Burke has done may inevitably have a thread leading to Trump, as there's no way he worked for Trump and didn't do anything skeevy for him. This may also be applicable with the Deutsche Bank. Trump's corruption and schemes have been so far-reaching that that raid might well turn up links to Russia and/or Trump.
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Cythereal posted:This may also be applicable with the Deutsche Bank. Trump's corruption and schemes have been so far-reaching that that raid might well turn up links to Russia and/or Trump. That is much more applicable to Deutsche Bank, since they're not an attorney the FBI has less of a problem combing through all of their documents for unrelated crimes.
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A little cutesy for my taste, but I’m all for political organizations pouring their efforts into trolling their opponents, it’s way more interesting than another generic attack ad.
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Thaddius the Large posted:A little cutesy for my taste, but I’m all for political organizations pouring their efforts into trolling their opponents, it’s way more interesting than another generic attack ad. I'm much more likely to put up with a dumb stunt if I get food out of it. That it's ice cream makes it even better.
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https://twitter.com/LisaDNews/status/1068201398322507776 https://twitter.com/nytmike/status/1068222659786358786 marshmonkey fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Nov 29, 2018 |
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evilweasel posted:That is much more applicable to Deutsche Bank, since they're not an attorney the FBI has less of a problem combing through all of their documents for unrelated crimes. True, but it depends on what exactly the Germans are investigating and how much they decide to turn over to the US. If I were Germany, I'd need to do some thinking about whether to commit to what Trump would undoubtedly see as an attack on him from Germany, and the situation vis a vis America and Russia and Germany's situations with both.
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marshmonkey posted:https://twitter.com/LisaDNews/status/1068201398322507776 Does Inhofe ever participate in important votes? Seems like he's always putzing around somewhere else and someone has to  themselves for him.
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Cythereal posted:True, but it depends on what exactly the Germans are investigating and how much they decide to turn over to the US. If I were Germany, I'd need to do some thinking about whether to commit to what Trump would undoubtedly see as an attack on him from Germany, and the situation vis a vis America and Russia and Germany's situations with both. If I were Germany I'd realize that Trump already hated us and just go ahead and leak it.
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https://twitter.com/SamTLevin/status/1068227178943307776 https://twitter.com/AP/status/1068230146447106049 https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1068240501906829312 https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1068241253865791494 marshmonkey fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Nov 29, 2018 |
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Hunt11 posted:This timeline makes less sense every day. Being farmers they've worked with plenty of Hispanics and know them to be hard working devout good people.
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reminder: a continuing resolution basically means no wall funding (and no new funding at all, beyond last year's), and if trump wants a shutdown fight he needs to do it as 2020 is gearing up instead of as far from an election as it is possible to be a continuing resolution for DHS would be a great result
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evilweasel posted:If I were Germany I'd realize that Trump already hated us and just go ahead and leak it. Besides, wouldn't Germany just pass it to the FBI directly via Interpol?
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/1068198096012812288 https://twitter.com/willsommer/status/1068244727298953216 https://twitter.com/willsommer/status/1068247052734349314 marshmonkey fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Nov 29, 2018 |
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Hunt11 posted:This timeline makes less sense every day. I think I heard him on NPR earlier and his stance was 'The Right Wing is wrong because they're not terrorists and the Left Wing is wrong because they want to give them free handouts' Sooo close and yet still sooooo far away.
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evilweasel posted:reminder: a continuing resolution basically means no wall funding (and no new funding at all, beyond last year's), and if trump wants a shutdown fight he needs to do it as 2020 is gearing up instead of as far from an election as it is possible to be Is it OK to be against CRs for any agency, purely because "CRs gently caress up agency operations hard" (you cannot open new contracts, for example, during a CR, or do any procurement activity, IIRC), regardless of which agency it is? Like, CRs for longer than a few days are incredibly bad governance, just from a "taxpayers deserve a vaguely sane and efficient use of their tax dollars" perspective. (Which is why I detest CRs for any agency that go longer than a few days, and really wish Congress would just once meet the Sept 30 deadline by having all appropriations bills passed - without an omnibus.) Like, yes, forcing Trump to suffer is good and all, but not at the expense of everybody else.
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marshmonkey posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/1068198096012812288 Imagine having your self-identity so wrapped up in a social media site that you physically chain yourself to the corporate headquarters.
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Spacewolf posted:Is it OK to be against CRs for any agency, purely because "CRs gently caress up agency operations hard" (you cannot open new contracts, for example, during a CR, or do any procurement activity, IIRC), regardless of which agency it is? Like, CRs for longer than a few days are incredibly bad governance, just from a "taxpayers deserve a vaguely sane and efficient use of their tax dollars" perspective. (Which is why I detest CRs for any agency that go longer than a few days, and really wish Congress would just once meet the Sept 30 deadline by having all appropriations bills passed - without an omnibus.) there's a lot of stuff in the DHS that we'd like to get hosed up until it can be defunded entirely
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Spacewolf posted:Yeah, but most of that is self-funding (funded by user fees, for example) so isn't covered by a shutdown anyway. But you're not complaining about a shutdown: you're complaining about a continuing resolution.
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