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THS
Sep 15, 2017

trostkyist drama is about as interesting as listening to other people explain their dreams so i didnt pay a huge amount of attention to it tho

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A Gnarlacious Bro
Apr 25, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Wouldn't be trostkyism if they weren't trying to trick college students away from joining real socialist organizations to do their stupid mock-UN bullshit

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

MizPiz posted:

It's a french movie, you can't have anyone ugly in one (or have no nude scenes) unless you get a special permit.

And yes, they think Gerard Depardieu is sexy.

Well,

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
Lol The Economist has an article up about Xi Jinping Thought - China is struggling to explain Xi Jinping Thought.

Shoot the black tar orientalism directly into my diqq vein

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

GalacticAcid posted:

Lol The Economist has an article up about Xi Jinping Thought - China is struggling to explain Xi Jinping Thought.

Shoot the black tar orientalism directly into my diqq vein

he wrote a whole dang book about it

apropos to nothing
Sep 5, 2003

THS posted:

trostkyist drama is about as interesting as listening to other people explain their dreams so i didnt pay a huge amount of attention to it tho

thanks for the insight. that's a criticism I've heard of the ISO from members and former members before about the emphasis on college recruitment. obviously recruiting on campus is important but it does seem like done incorrectly it can become a revolving door where people join for 4 years in college then leave the town and the party. campus organizing can run the risk of almost segregating a party or group from the working class in the community around colleges if done incorrectly.

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

xi jinping thought just doesn't have a good ring to it, they should hire a PR firm to workshop it

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
https://twitter.com/CubaMINREX/status/1068571506681290752

Graphic
Sep 4, 2018

It's like Lenin said
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfkhS1R8A2Q

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
this is a twitter thread

https://twitter.com/d_j_frost/status/1068126965490745345

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
https://twitter.com/revrrlewis/status/1068590139503509505

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

apropos to nothing posted:

thanks for the insight. that's a criticism I've heard of the ISO from members and former members before about the emphasis on college recruitment. obviously recruiting on campus is important but it does seem like done incorrectly it can become a revolving door where people join for 4 years in college then leave the town and the party. campus organizing can run the risk of almost segregating a party or group from the working class in the community around colleges if done incorrectly.

it's almost as if the armchair intellectuals can clap themselves on the back and call it a day without having worked towards any salient form of revolutionary practice

Graphic
Sep 4, 2018

It's like Lenin said

Frog Act posted:

I like to think I have a decent grasp of communist theory and practice but I don’t think I’ll ever understand Trotskyism

it's the USSR but authentically democratic local soviets made up of workers making decisions for themselves instead of a state made up of a class of party bureaucrats. sacrifices had to be made because of the Russian Civil War but Trotsky was already warning of the dangers of growing bureaucracy immediately after it and way before he was exiled, so it's not some retconned poo poo to cover that he was actually identical to Stalin like some liberals and right wing socialists say.

that's the end goal, in practice Trotskyism is using the transitional program to try and get there. forming united fronts with other socialist orgs to push for pro-worker reforms, which the bourgeois state is necessarily hostile too, to raise the class consciousness of workers to hopefully one day create the conditions ripe for socialist revolution, turning the US into the Soviet Union with soviet (small S) democracy. and then we invade canada and mexico to start spreading the revolution until we have global communism.

now, whether Trot groups actually do anything effective to that aim is another story. Trotskyism is great but it's been ruined by Trots being mostly useless, inward looking bores.

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

GalacticAcid posted:

Lol The Economist has an article up about Xi Jinping Thought - China is struggling to explain Xi Jinping Thought.

Shoot the black tar orientalism directly into my diqq vein

quote:

In April Qian Xian, a party journal, said there had been continual debate over the meaning of “socialism with Chinese characteristics”, the concept at the heart of Deng Theory. In an apparent dig at a weakness of the Theory, the article said “some people” thought the phrase was another way of saying “capitalism with Chinese characteristics”. This, it said, had created “theoretical chaos”. Mr Xi stresses that socialism with Chinese characteristics is in fact about “socialism and not any other kind of –ism” (point two, subsection three on the mind-map).

this seems pretty straightforward to me.

Graphic
Sep 4, 2018

It's like Lenin said
https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/11/responding-to-the-left-case-against-open-borders

was waiting for a thorough making GBS threads-on of that ridiculous article.

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
I’m sure I agree with the sentiment but I’ll pass

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

The case for attacking Nathan J Robinson's hand's with a claw hammer

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
haha what’s up dude, great costume. are you Sex Tourist Willy Wonka? Hilarious.

*with fake English accent affected to sound smart* this is a perfectly regular sartorial arrangement, my dear boy

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/jobhaver/status/1068639523582574594?s=19

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014



https://twitter.com/jobhaver/status/1068688082986135554

lol shes good

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

Do you think this is funny?

Graphic posted:

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/11/responding-to-the-left-case-against-open-borders

was waiting for a thorough making GBS threads-on of that ridiculous article.

I thought this was pretty good: http://organizing.work/2018/11/attacking-migrants-does-not-help-labor/

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
Well, it finally happened. Someone finally made a Stalinist martial industrial album.

https://vilmarh.bandcamp.com/album/eternal-victors

I just think of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0WnZyxp_Wo

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
Googling the name brings me to a smuggler character from the Star Wars comics of course

I wonder if there's an alt-right to ML pipeline...

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

This is the true Red-Brown alliance

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
Okay this is wild if you follow the "communist" tag at the bottom of that. Here's a Taiwanese communist rapper named 鍾翔宇 Xiangyu

https://comradexiangyu.bandcamp.com/album/bombard-the-headquarters


quote:

"Bombard the Headquarters" is a collection of songs by Xiangyu after he graduated from university and started working. During this time, he was also active in his independent studies and participation in grassroots organizations. The album is titled "Bombard the Headquarters" because, based upon his observations, the two trends apparent in hip hop are commercialization and the tendency for discourse regarding hip hop to be dominated by elitists. Over the course of Xiangyu's studies, he was inspired by the fact that during the GPCR, the greatest number of schools was built in the shortest amount of time in Chinese history while various experiments were carried out in the fields of production, medicine, education, and etc. Most importantly, these experiments were carried out locally by the people themselves. Unlike idealists, he does not believe that music itself is capable of changing the world, but his music is nonetheless an attempt to create something that reflects ordinary people while drawing inspiration from the revolutionary masses.

What are some of the "headquarters" "bombarded" in this album?

Each song in this album represents different "headquarters." For example, in the song titled "Your So-Called Freedom and Democracy," the "bombarded headquarters" is neoliberalism that is oftentimes presented as the "universal value" of "liberal democracy." Although the name of the album might come off as serious in tone, songs like "Paolyta B" show that this album has a relaxed side as well.

The GPCR was a time during which amateur artists flourished - ordinary people were given platforms where they could share their artwork. Reading about this struck a sympathetic chord in Xiangyu. Though he does not claim to be some sort of great artist, he nonetheless dedicates much time and effort on his music as very few things in life bring him the same kind of happiness that making music does.

BULBASAUR
Apr 6, 2009




Soiled Meat

Graphic posted:

it's the USSR but authentically democratic local soviets made up of workers making decisions for themselves instead of a state made up of a class of party bureaucrats. sacrifices had to be made because of the Russian Civil War but Trotsky was already warning of the dangers of growing bureaucracy immediately after it and way before he was exiled, so it's not some retconned poo poo to cover that he was actually identical to Stalin like some liberals and right wing socialists say.

that's the end goal, in practice Trotskyism is using the transitional program to try and get there. forming united fronts with other socialist orgs to push for pro-worker reforms, which the bourgeois state is necessarily hostile too, to raise the class consciousness of workers to hopefully one day create the conditions ripe for socialist revolution, turning the US into the Soviet Union with soviet (small S) democracy. and then we invade canada and mexico to start spreading the revolution until we have global communism.

now, whether Trot groups actually do anything effective to that aim is another story. Trotskyism is great but it's been ruined by Trots being mostly useless, inward looking bores.

just finished Revolution Betrayed and this was essentially my take away

I was a bit confused by all the Sic Trot Burns ITT at first, but I'm getting to understand now that it's more directed at contemporary Trot groups

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
speaking of contemporary Trot groups, in case anyone is interested in a recent 7,000-word attack on the SEP and the Weird Sex Web Site from a former member who has a website dated to the early 2000s, you're in luck:

http://forum.permanent-revolution.org/2018/06/the-gutter-politics-of-david-north.html

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

speaking of contemporary Trot groups, in case anyone is interested in a recent 7,000-word attack on the SEP and the Weird Sex Web Site from a former member who has a website dated to the early 2000s, you're in luck:

http://forum.permanent-revolution.org/2018/06/the-gutter-politics-of-david-north.html

why is the name "Alex Steiner" so familiar?

Peanut President
Nov 5, 2008

by Athanatos
The lesser known Steiner brother.

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Mia Wasikowska
Oct 7, 2006


drat a professor at 27? or just an adjunct. either way who cares, nevermind

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/mattdpearce/status/1069088061600845824

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013


The pages quoted in the OP are proof that "traditional family life" is dysgenic

https://twitter.com/mattdpearce/status/1069085428538458113

lmao

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

richard wolff talked on his program about the #metoo movement in socialist terms and how hierarchy and inequality creates environments enabling sexual harassment and violence

it sounds kind of overly reductive saying almost everything is the fault of capitalism and hierarchy but uh...

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

comedyblissoption posted:

richard wolff talked on his program about the #metoo movement in socialist terms and how hierarchy and inequality creates environments enabling sexual harassment and violence

it sounds kind of overly reductive saying almost everything is the fault of capitalism and hierarchy but uh...

Exploitation isn't possible without a system which makes the targets of the powerful (in this case, women being targeted by men for sex) vulnerable to it in the first place. The frustrating response to this is to point out that women have been sexually exploited before capitalism so therefore the problem must be something inherent to male or human nature - but the point isn't that capitalism is uniquely problematic, it's that liberalism can only ever marginally improve conditions for women generally because true liberation is only reserved for the bourgeois.

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
Turns out poor men rape too

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
did the Soviet Union ever get better at LGBT rights over time? I only ever hear of the recriminalization of homosexuality, but nothing after that until you get to Putin being really repressive

Mr. Lobe
Feb 23, 2007

... Dry bones...


gradenko_2000 posted:

did the Soviet Union ever get better at LGBT rights over time? I only ever hear of the recriminalization of homosexuality, but nothing after that until you get to Putin being really repressive

CPRF, the successor party to the Communist Party in Russia is totally behind Putin's gay rights suppression, so... probably not

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

WhiskeyJuvenile posted:

Turns out poor men rape too

The issue isn't even really about "rape," but all the ways that conditions of inequality lead people into making bad choices in partners on the off chance that they might provide a measure of security against destitution. Two poor people pooling their resources have a better chance than a single poor person, even if the relationship between them is itself toxic.

gradenko_2000 posted:

did the Soviet Union ever get better at LGBT rights over time? I only ever hear of the recriminalization of homosexuality, but nothing after that until you get to Putin being really repressive

The Soviet Union was improving on queer issues like any other advanced country by the 1980s, but then it all fell apart and reactionary forces became dominant. In terms of rights, being gay was never de jure legal even if they stopped persecuting it.

Pener Kropoopkin fucked around with this message at 17:04 on Dec 2, 2018

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Vermain
Sep 5, 2006



comedyblissoption posted:

it sounds kind of overly reductive saying almost everything is the fault of capitalism and hierarchy but uh...

any system that centralizes power into the hands of small numbers of private, unaccountable agents will inevitably lead to oppression and social disorder (crime, addictions, etc.)

this isn't to say that socialism would magically obliterate all social ills, but that they wouldn't be exacerbated in the same way that they are under capitalism, feudalism, imperialism, slave states, or any other past systems

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