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Red Crown posted:I don't mean to pry, but did they wind up restricting you in any way? Flight status, sea duty/overseas eligibility, that kind of stuff? As CMD said plenty of people have them. I was so close to the end when I got diagnosed that it didn't matter. But it wouldn't have hurt my flight status more than temporarily according to a flight surgeon friend of mine. So yeah, I basically avoided it for nothing.
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Great Lakes got turbofucked over night. Quarters pushed to 1000, which is saying something for this place.
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Oh good you can use the extra time to reassemble your weapon.
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Mr. Bad Guy posted:Great Lakes got turbofucked over night. Quarters pushed to 1000, which is saying something for this place. Suicide?
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Probably the snow. It was pretty bad in the entire Chicago area last night.
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NAVCENT dead. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/military/navy-admiral-scott-stearney-found-dead-bahrain-no-foul-play-n942611 With no details given except being a three star, I'm going to assume erotic asphyxiation.
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There's also the "sick and tired of living in Bahrain" factor.
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He was a CO in one of the Air Wings I was in. He was a pretty good dude from what I remember.
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Couple articles saying it was a suicide. So, that's bad
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maffew buildings posted:Couple articles saying it was a suicide. So, that's bad Good lord maybe this will be suicide that will make the Navy look at mental health. lol yeah right
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ded posted:Did he attend suicide prevention training? You are not good at being an edge lord, ded.
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ded posted:Did he attend suicide prevention training? McNally I need you to do it to em.
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McNally posted:The master chief walked awkwardly into the hospital room, the combination hat in his hands slowly being turned in circles as he unconsciously showed his nervousness. When he realized what he was doing, he set it on the chair by the door and stepped over to the young petty officer's bed. He took a glance at the notecard in his hand and tried to speak, but his voice caught. He took a breath, cleared his throat, and tried again.
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I was explaining this to my girlfriend why I was laughing. I warned her the backstory was a bit dark but obliged nevertheless. I had just got as far as the initial investigation into Mrs. McNally’s suicide and big army’s asking about suicide prevention training. She dryly responded “well, I guess that’s good followup survey to see if it’s effective training.” I loving love this woman.
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LtCol J. Krusinski posted:You are not good at being an edge lord, ded. Did the E-4s and below under his command attend THEIR suicide prevention training?
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Godholio posted:Did the E-4s and below under his command attend THEIR suicide prevention training? Who the hell cares?
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LtCol J. Krusinski posted:Who the hell cares? It's a joke about lovely punishment. You doing ok?
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LtCol J. Krusinski posted:Who the hell cares? Shim whats wrong?
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LtCol J. Krusinski posted:Who the hell cares? The command does. But just as a metric. Sailors are replaceable.
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Viva Miriya posted:Shim whats wrong? Godholio posted:It's a joke about lovely punishment. You doing ok? Just hate suicide + attempts at humor about suicide by people that aren’t being particularly funny. If someone dug hard enough I’m sure they could find me joking about suicide in the past, but I lost someone to suicide (again) a few months back and I’m probably just being a sensitive bitch, so feel free to ignore me, I’m actually not trying to start an argument or anything. I’ll leave the navy thread for the sailors.
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LtCol J. Krusinski posted:Just hate suicide + attempts at humor about suicide by people that aren’t being particularly funny. If someone dug hard enough I’m sure they could find me joking about suicide in the past, but I lost someone to suicide (again) a few months back and I’m probably just being a sensitive bitch, so feel free to ignore me, I’m actually not trying to start an argument or anything. I’ll leave the navy thread for the sailors. I hear ya and I'm sorry I contributed to it. Sorry about your loss as well man. I just assumed whenever we bring up the suicide prevention poo poo its just run of the mill black humor. You aren't wrong to feel the way you are feeling so that's why I wanted to check in. I sure the gently caress don't want to add to it man and I don't think any of us want to either. Jokes, bad or otherwise, ain't worth it.
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The suicides and motorcycle accidents get to me a lot. I'm still waiting for the news report that one of the McCain sailors or Fitz sailors ended their life. It seems that most of the crew has lingering affects in some way or another, whether PTSD or TBIs in a few cases. I'd like to think we're getting better at providing information to our sailors and access to counselors/chaplains, but I know that that's not the case for the majority of the fleet. There are some sailors that feel like they can't tell their CoC that they need help because they won't be listened to. gently caress, look at the incident on the Shiloh with the sailor that hid in the bilges for a week. He wasn't a fantastic worker or amazing sailor, but the fact that he told the CO that he needed to get off and honestly thought that making the crew/strike group think he'd gone overboard was a better option than continuing his job says a whole hell of a lot. As for motorcycle deaths, I'm at two sailors now. The first was a situation where the sailor had already left our command, but most of us still knew him and remembered him fondly. That was a few years ago. This second one happened over Veterans Day weekend. He was an officer at the school house (he was in a completely different field then me), and while I didn't know him personally, all its done is reaffirm that bikes are speeding death bullets. The Navy is supposedly doing everything it can for his wife and kid, but how many families don't even get that?
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I still get mad when I think about my friend who shot himself due to the command treating him like poo poo and the fleet admiral threatening him with a courts martial if he did not give up the names of those who tacked on his dolphins. It's been over 22 years. Don't think I'll ever be over it.
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LtCol J. Krusinski posted:Just hate suicide + attempts at humor about suicide by people that aren’t being particularly funny. If someone dug hard enough I’m sure they could find me joking about suicide in the past, but I lost someone to suicide (again) a few months back and I’m probably just being a sensitive bitch, so feel free to ignore me, I’m actually not trying to start an argument or anything. I’ll leave the navy thread for the sailors. 
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ded posted:I still get mad when I think about my friend who shot himself due to the command treating him like poo poo and the fleet admiral threatening him with a courts martial if he did not give up the names of those who tacked on his dolphins. It's been over 22 years. Don't think I'll ever be over it.  Jesus Christ, what was going through that admiral's head? "Oh this guy who may or may not (I know things were different back then) have gotten hazed won't tell me who hazed him? I'm make him feel life poo poo and threaten to gently caress up so he fesses up!" For that matter what was that CoC thinking? Crap, sorry man that blows that happened, I'd be pissed about something like that too.
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The seabees at Iwakuni have actually been employed, building trash sheds in housing...because having plastic trash cans hurled across base everytime the wind blows and then get pillaged by monster crows is something they missed in the planning stage.
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maffew buildings posted:Those poor Bees Sounds like a primer oppurtunity to hide some cock and ball carvings.
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https://twitter.com/NYTimesAtWar/status/1071110601101983744quote:When the program started in 1996, the Navy’s contractor, Raytheon, was to deliver the new shells for ships by 2010. In anticipation, the Navy installed updated guns in 2001 that could fire both the older unguided rounds and the Extended Range Guided Munitions. But after 12 years of development and approximately $350 million spent, the contract failed to produce a reliable shell at an affordable cost — even after the Navy changed the warhead to a simpler high-explosive design. The service shut down the program in 2008. During the same period, the Navy was also experimenting with a similarly designed shell called the Ballistic Trajectory Extended Range Munition, made by Alliant Techsystems. After spending $70 million, the program was canceled in 2007.
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Could've bought 700+ tomahawks and probably gotten a discount. Is the point of these so a single ship could transport troops and provide support fire for an amphibious landing or something? Seems like if we were landing Marines on a contested beachead there'd be more than just a destroyer or two in the area Kawasaki Nun fucked around with this message at 01:08 on Dec 8, 2018 |
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Kawasaki Nun posted:Is the point of these so a single ship could transport troops and provide support fire for an amphibious landing or something? Seems like if we were landing Marines on a contested beachead there'd be more than just a destroyer or two in the area The entirety of USMC aviation exists because they think they'll be alone.
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Godholio posted:The entirety of USMC aviation exists because they think they'll be alone. REMEMBER GUADALCANAL !!!!!!111
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Kawasaki Nun posted:Could've bought 700+ tomahawks and probably gotten a discount. The following is entirely conjecture Tomahawks are nice, but they're part of a precision warfare mindset. The capacity is too low and the cost too high to fill the same role as shore bombardment, which can effect more like highly mobile and extremely potent artillery in its cost per effect and the duration of it's sustainment. Destroyers only have a 13mi range (src: Wikipedia) on their 5in gun, the largest currently in the American fleet, which means that the support from a destroyer can only reliably reach that+ distance to safe water from the destroyer. Compared to the 24 mi of a battleships 16 inch, with a 2,700 lb payload that dwarfs a tomahawk and a price point likely considerably cheaper (when crew size isn't part of the math), and you can start to see a capability gap--at least compared to what military thinkers putting on O-6 in the 90s thought. You can tomahawk the poo poo out of something, but a ddg will tap itself after 4 days of hourly fire support missions if it used tomahawks for that purpose, only one per hour AND that destroyer didn't utilize any of it's VLSs for air defense So, the thought seems to be: make us a gun to support troops at a more reasonable sustainment and price point. The requirements exceeded capability, and for asymmetic warfare the costs of aircraft and missiles weren't prohibitive since enemy forces were never amassed or capable of denial. The price point swells and the original intent is lost in the beauacracy. Someone makes a bullet more expensive than an airplane and finally the runaway train is halted. piL fucked around with this message at 05:55 on Dec 8, 2018 |
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THe issue there is that you have a completely wrong cost per effect measure. Modern PGMs are close enough to a 1:1 body per bomb floor. If a pgm costs a million but is guarenteed to kill at least the single personn it’s aimed at the its still close to 3x as cost effective as mass bombardment of an area where you think hostiles are. There is always the vague and unquantifiable value of morale loss to enemy infantry from constant unguided bombardment but I’ll leabs that as an exercise for the Airpower thread. Per your example even classic 16” guns aren’t nearly as cost effective as modern munitions. Another way to think of it is that if a pgm takes out a bunker or a tank or a single infantryman it was worth it because of the guaranteed kill without accidental collateral. M_Gargantua fucked around with this message at 05:58 on Dec 8, 2018 |
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M_Gargantua posted:THe issue there is that you have a completely wrong cost per effect measure. I don't mean to say that I agree with the calculus, but in the 90s when they came up with it, people were looking at 40 years of warplans that assume 24 mi bombardment, not 13. Those 11 miles is the difference between ground troops fighting with support ending just outside of downtown LA (congrats on occupying Inglewood) vice support ending just outside of Anaheim (who wants Anaheim anyway). I think 24 to 13 itself was enough to cause people to throw money at the problem, but there's also a fundamental difference between a missile and a shell when it comes to denial. A quarter inch fragment of anti-air artillery or missile (e.g. RAM) is a mission kill to a cruise missle; it's a rounding error to a 1 ton+ shell. This means that a denial strategy's probability of kill vice TLAM is higher than with a normal shell. I suspect that calculus is altered once you add rocket boosters and stabilizer fins to the payload, but that's probably after the initial motivation to pursue the technology. My point is that bombardment has a quality independent of its own distinct from precision strike that affects what options a commander has. The program may have failed to meet requirements and those requirements may have been doomed from the start, but the answer isn't as simple as, 'tomahawks do the same job but better further', and I'm mostly trying to defend that maintaining bombardment capability after decomming big guns isn't just some absurd failure of our senior military analysts to recognize that missiles exist. piL fucked around with this message at 06:53 on Dec 8, 2018 |
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