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ewiley posted:So someone leaked a classified CIA report on Khashoggi's death to the WSJ, seems relatively damning. Didn't Mike Pomp just come out the other day and say the CIA had no evidence? Yesterday infact.
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Your Taint posted:Maybe the post mortem blowjob-fest is over? Getting there, but it was no accident.
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i am harry posted:Didn't Mike Pomp just come out the other day and say the CIA had no evidence? Why do you think this leaked, lol.
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NoDamage posted:Agreed, but why does she seem like the only person willing to say these things out loud? The entire Democratic party should have been dunking on Republicans for their idiotic approach to health care for the past several years. Because the Dem party dunking on the GOP for their idiotic approach to healthcare would mean having to showcase their own idiotic approach of $7,000/year deductibles for people making $17,000/year, and the fact that "the bending of the cost curve" in medical costs is due, for the first time, to sick people not being able to afford to use their insurance "coverage."
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Dapper_Swindler posted:nixon much like W was smart enough to repaint his legacy and have friends to help do that. they did it in different ways(nixon through charisma and wonkery and W through charity) it sucks but i take joy in knowing trump isn't smart enough to pull that poo poo off. You are literally the first person to ever use charisma and Nixon in the same sentence, wtf am I reading?
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NoDamage posted:Agreed, but why does she seem like the only person willing to say these things out loud? The entire Democratic party should have been dunking on Republicans for their idiotic approach to health care for the past several years. Because all the established old centrist Democrats are taking tons of money from insurance companies too.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:You are literally the first person to ever use charisma and Nixon in the same sentence, wtf am I reading? Yeah uh... that's... not a word I would apply to Tricky Dick.
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Crabtree posted:Tired that you won the presidency yet, Donald? Then just quit. Like everything you do that goes wrong, just loving leave. Donnie normally loves photo opes, like he literally crashed some hospitals cancer charity event and literally stole a stage seat from a real donor so he could appear in pictures pretending he donated money.
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right wingers self owning is just the best. https://twitter.com/Ocasio2018/status/1069384857099354112
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Groovelord Neato posted:right wingers self owning is just the best. Vaporized in one shot. Ms Adequate posted:Yeah uh... that's... not a word I would apply to Tricky Dick. Nixon with charisma? My God...I could rule the universe! 
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Wait 3 trillion dollars a year is like the whole federal budget isn't it?
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Arglebargle III posted:Wait 3 trillion dollars a year is like the whole federal budget isn't it? 32 trillion would be slightly less than half of the globe's gdp.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:You are literally the first person to ever use charisma and Nixon in the same sentence, wtf am I reading? Oh I know, but if you read his books and listen to his poo poo long enough ( my capstone progress was on Nixon and the history of his legacy in America) he was a man in many faces and knew how to play people. He was an evil gently caress but he was smart as gently caress in a lot of ways.
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Arglebargle III posted:Wait 3 trillion dollars a year is like the whole federal budget isn't it? The United States already spends 3.8 trillion a year on healthcare costs. Obviously this isn't all by the federal government, but if you roll in what we spend on Medicare, Medicaid, ACA subsidies, federal employee healthcare benefits, and VA healthcare, which would all be made obsolete by M4A, you almost get there anyways.
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Arglebargle III posted:Wait 3 trillion dollars a year is like the whole federal budget isn't it? it's many billions of dollars less than we currently spend on healthcare
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Arglebargle III posted:Wait 3 trillion dollars a year is like the whole federal budget isn't it? 3/4, although 1 trillion goes to medicare medicaid et al Mantis42 posted:The United States already spends 3.8 trillion a year on healthcare costs. Obviously this isn't all by the federal government, but if you roll in what we spend on Medicare, Medicaid, ACA subsidies, federal employee healthcare benefits, and VA healthcare, which would all be made obsolete by M4A, you almost get there anyways. more like halfway but yeah eke out posted:it's many billions of dollars less than we currently spend on healthcare i mean, a hundred probably does qualify as 'many', but we can also reasonably expect that it'll knock down healthcare costs over the longer term as people seek preventative care (and, ideally, the big scary government monopoly can negotiate better) also the fact that medicaid/medicare are more efficient than most current insurers, and doctors having to deal with the web of insurers is a cost of its own, and Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 01:34 on Dec 3, 2018 |
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her mentions are hilarious because all the morons don't realize you have to count how much we spend on private healthcare to compare it to. none of these people realize the tax increase for m4a isn't on top of what you pay now - you wouldn't be paying any of that. i ran into that reasoning at work i dunno how people can't grasp such a simple fact.
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Groovelord Neato posted:her mentions are hilarious because all the morons don't realize you have to count how much we spend on private healthcare to compare it to. none of these people realize the tax increase for m4a isn't on top of what you pay now - you wouldn't be paying any of that. i ran into that reasoning at work i dunno how people can't grasp such a simple fact. Not to mention that a higher availability of preventative care pays HUGE dividends down the road. VVV I wish, although then entire administration would then become very susceptible to Grassy Knolls, courtesy of the rich CuddleCryptid fucked around with this message at 01:43 on Dec 3, 2018 |
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At this point you could probably cover a lot of the costs just by undoing the Trump tax cuts.
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Mantis42 posted:At this point you could probably cover a lot of the costs just by undoing the Trump tax cuts. The worst figure I've heard for the cost of Medicare for All is 3.2 trillion per year, and that's from a libertarian think tank. The Trump tax cuts cost us 1.8 trillion per year. So we'd be over halfway there at the very least, probably significantly more.
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eke out posted:it's many billions of dollars less than we currently spend on healthcare And almost everyone will pay less in new taxes than they save in health insurance and other health care costs. If you're severely underinsuring yourself, you'll pay more but will no longer be at risk for medical bankruptcy. Even better for cost savings, our current health care spending is based on the wildly irregular billing practices encouraged by the current system. MFA could shave billions out of that figure by virtue of being a single, heavyweight negotiator.
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But think of all those jobs you’d lose when hospitals don’t need a whole division of people doing overly complicated billing procedures ~farts~
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Chilichimp posted:lol, he deleted these, so here they are: https://twitter.com/lindeeloo_who/status/1069349075592593409
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Invalid Validation posted:But think of all those jobs you’d lose when hospitals don’t need a whole division of people doing overly complicated billing procedures ~farts~ Put them to work harvesting jars of money buried in abandoned mine shafts Tell them that it's still hurting poor people in order to keep them motivated
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Invalid Validation posted:But think of all those jobs you’d lose when hospitals don’t need a whole division of people doing overly complicated billing procedures ~farts~ think about the bankruptcy lawyers out of work when there are tens of thousands fewer filed because of crushing medical debts every year
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Mantis42 posted:The United States already spends 3.8 trillion a year on healthcare costs. Obviously this isn't all by the federal government, but if you roll in what we spend on Medicare, Medicaid, ACA subsidies, federal employee healthcare benefits, and VA healthcare, which would all be made obsolete by M4A, you almost get there anyways. Fun fact, public spending on healthcare in the U.S. (i.e. existing spending on medicare, medicaid, VA, etc. ) is already more expensive than the NHS by any measure--per capita, as % of GDP, you name it. And private spending in the US is obviously astronomically higher than in the U.K. So our taxpayer funded healthcare already costs as much as the NHS while providing care for only a fraction of the population, and then we spend hundreds of billions/trillions dollars on insurance and other private healthcare spending on top of that. We are truly fuckups.
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I'm a self-identifying moderate, and I say gently caress GHWB up his dead rear end in a top hat, and bring on the 1000-reign of AOC.
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Morbus posted:Fun fact, public spending on healthcare in the U.S. (i.e. existing spending on medicare, medicaid, VA, etc. ) is already more expensive than the NHS by any measure--per capita, as % of GDP, you name it. And private spending in the US is obviously astronomically higher than in the U.K. The US healthcare system is truly awful at efficiently providing healthcare. It is, however, a triumph of wealth redistribution from the poorest to the richest.
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lol I hope they never stop trying to dunk on her, they're so far out of their league and it's great
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If anyone doesn't understand how MFA really shines, think about the power of collective bargaining when you're talking about 400mil people and what they're going to collectively choose to pay for medications, or services. It's the free market, but instead of corporations giving us bullshit price plans, it's the other way around.
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drat she is merciless https://twitter.com/ocasio2018/status/1069400579766661121?s=21
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Gort posted:The US healthcare system is truly awful at efficiently providing healthcare. It is, however, a triumph of wealth redistribution from the poorest to the richest. Nope, it's pretty poo poo at that too. For example, Health Care as a sector has had market performance of about ~240% over the last 10 years, which is OK compared to the S&P500 at ~180%. But Information Technology has gained 360% over the same time period, and Consumer Discretionary about 370%. So if, instead of our current stupid clusterfuck of a system, we just implemented universal healthcare and then invested the savings into Fart Apps and Chipotle like good Rational Actors, rich fuckers would have accumulated even more wealth. There is no reason for American Healthcare other than American Stupidity.
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i am harry posted:If anyone doesn't understand how MFA really shines, think about the power of collective bargaining when you're talking about 400mil people and what they're going to collectively choose to pay for medications, or services. It's the free market, but instead of corporations giving us bullshit price plans, it's the other way around. mmm excuse me but everyone knows that isurance is a magical ritual where i give money to a company to burn and they give me a piece of paper that says I get The Healthcare. also I am a ssj 0.000000001% and therefore derserve the best while everyone else not me get poo poo.
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Chilichimp posted:lol, he deleted these, so here they are:
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Soothing Vapors posted:lol Everyone has that social media friend who shares dad joke level slams like they are gold. edit: v - we don't deserve her Faustian Bargain fucked around with this message at 02:41 on Dec 3, 2018 |
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theCalamity posted:drat she is merciless She is so good at this and these old morons can't help themselves.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:You are literally the first person to ever use charisma and Nixon in the same sentence, wtf am I reading? Charisma 's the wrong word, but he could make his cantankerousness look like a 'shtick' at times which takes at least some level of showmanship. He's was more entertaining to watch than HW Bush at least.
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