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!Klams posted:Ok, cool, this is basically what I was hoping, because now that I know it, I want to coerce my crew into finding it 'by accident'. If there was something that told us to, I'd rather wait for that, I don't want to jump the gun, and if they find out I've read spoilers they'll all be upset with me. I really didn't mean to, but when someone says "When did you guys open the envelope you're allowed to open whenever?" and you've only got two envelopes in your box, the penny drops pretty quick. Number of envelopes There are three envelopes that are obvious and not hidden though: A, B, and X...
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homullus posted:I don't care about spoilers, so I looked up what the deal was with envelope X, and I am glad I did, because ... yeah, that's not really my thing, and at the very least not why I bought Gloomhaven. Our two boxes character has envelope X as her quest, now you've made me worried about it!
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Dec 3, 2018 20:08
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Taear posted:Our two boxes character has envelope X as her quest, now you've made me worried about it! No, don't worry about it! Truly. You will almost certainly know your own mind on it when you open it, and can proceed accordingly.
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Dec 3, 2018 20:12
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Taear posted:Our two boxes character has envelope X as her quest, now you've made me worried about it! You should be. Look it up. There are limited-spoiler explanations. Even if it's your jam, you'll still want to know about the crucial typo. Edit: homullus isn't wrong in that it won't hurt to wait til you open it.
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Dec 3, 2018 20:14
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Everyone who opens envelope X should immediately read spoilers for it because it is dumb as poo poo and literally unsolvable thanks to a typo. Not to mention even trying to solve it the actual way means you could literally never even get all the clues if you play normally.
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Dec 3, 2018 20:15
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Got some xmas presents for my group! I was amazed to find a lack of official Gloomhaven merch so I made my own, one for each of our starting characters in their color: Considered doing something more elaborate but decided I liked the simpler thing better. We've all retired our initial characters but I think we all resonate a little more with our original mercenary heroes. I hope they like them!
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Dec 3, 2018 20:28
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Jimbozig posted:Even if it's your jam, you'll still want to know about the crucial typo.
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Dec 3, 2018 21:18
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Pierzak posted:What is the crucial typo? Assume I do not like spoilers of any kind, benign or not. There is some text in the weird substitution cipher that you have a decoder for, the weird character for 8 was used instead of the weird character for 6. You cannot figure out from context that this is a typo, it will lead you to a conclusion that is wrong but for which you have no context for knowing that it is wrong.
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Dec 3, 2018 21:29
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Poopy Palpy posted:There is some text in the weird substitution cipher that you have a decoder for, the weird character for 8 was used instead of the weird character for 6. You cannot figure out from context that this is a typo, it will lead you to a conclusion that is wrong but for which you have no context for knowing that it is wrong. Yeowch. Was this fixed in second edition?
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Dec 3, 2018 21:34
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Guy A. Person posted:Yeowch. Was this fixed in second edition? No.
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Poopy Palpy posted:There is some text in the weird substitution cipher that you have a decoder for, the weird character for 8 was used instead of the weird character for 6. You cannot figure out from context that this is a typo, it will lead you to a conclusion that is wrong but for which you have no context for knowing that it is wrong. Also tactical post to come back to if (when) I forget that.
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darnon posted:Starting delving into this game solo over Thanksgiving until I can wrangle my friends into it. Motivated me to experiment some quick painting techniques on the starting crew as diversion from my crushing backlog of other minis. These are awesome and I wish I or someone in my group could do as good of a job.
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Had my second session with lightning bolt, enjoyed it wwaaaaayy more now we don't have a rogue with us, being the only one in our group that can fucksmash the soul out of exactly one (or two) monsters on demand gives me a really good niche to fill. Case in point, we just fought (specific boss spoiler, though very mild as its super telegraphed, plus further lightning bolt spoilers) Jekserah, and I'd gone to open the chest when the rest of my team went in to fight her. They were gradually whittling down living corpses, as i made my way back over, healing up to full, and made it just in time to one shot her to hell, lol. I've taken to just throwing all caution out the window and taking damage from enemies to get me low rather than managing it carefully. It's way more fun. .
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The only changes I'd make to Envelope X would be fixing the typo and making it open from the town records instead of a retirement goal.
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Reik posted:No. So I assume the typo was NOT intentional? We honestly have no idea where to start with envelope X and we're just continuing through the campaign until we stumble across something.
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Elephant Ambush posted:So I assume the typo was NOT intentional? The typo was fixed in one of the later printings (3rd?). quote:We honestly have no idea where to start with envelope X and we're just continuing through the campaign until we stumble across something.
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Dec 4, 2018 03:07
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Doctor Spaceman posted:The only changes I'd make to Envelope X would be fixing the typo and making it open from the town records instead of a retirement goal. Envelope X is really goddamn stupid. Not only is the puzzle tedious and awful, but the thing you actually unlock after all of it isn't worth it at all. If I print it myself, it'll look like poo poo, and none of the cards will match the cards in the box (will be really easy to tell which card is coming up!).
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Dec 4, 2018 04:28
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Man the game is a lot easier if you read the scenario rules correctly. Scenario 33 spoilers We didn't read the spawning after the alarm correctly and were spawning an elite every single round once we opened the second door. We managed to get 3 people to the exit with some really careful use of invis to block doorways and big movement + jump to get past the room full of elite Savaas. Our Craghart didn't quite make it and we were really confused at how insane the scenario seemed. Until we re-read how it worked.
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We got it yesterday from Amazon. Played the first two scenarios as a couple. I'm playing as a Cragheart and she's a Spellweaver. We beat the first scenario as 'easy', and then played the second as 'normal' and lost. And it was great. I didn't expect my girlfriend to be into this but here we are.
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Dec 4, 2018 14:53
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Woodstock posted:We got it yesterday from Amazon. Played the first two scenarios as a couple. You only need to spoiler class names that aren't the starting 6, and for the unlockable you can refer to them as the symbol on their box without spoilers. Glad you're having fun!
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Woodstock posted:
List of long-term relationship commitments: 3) moving in together 2) getting a pet together 1) playing Gloomhaven together The couple we're playing with, dated years ago, split up, got back together back in August like three weeks before we roped them into playing with us. Now we play every Monday night. Those two better stick together, we're invested dammit
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Woodstock posted:We got it yesterday from Amazon. Played the first two scenarios as a couple. Those are a fun combo to start with. Cragheart can throw down the obstacle barricade while the two of you shoot them to death.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:List of long-term relationship commitments: We replaced 2 with having kids together, and that means in a dozen years we'll have two more people to play Gloomhaven with!!
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Oh man, our first retirement! We unlocked saw. I guess now that our team is saw, tinkerer, cragheart(me), I gotta be ready to do a lot of damage and trust my team to heal me. I'll miss the brute but getting extra cards in my deck sounds great. I see more long rests in my future. Also now I get to buy (scenario 6 treasure spoiler) second skin, which will remove my last two -1 cards, giving me 2 +0s, 8 +1s, +2,-2,null, and 2x, pretty sweet.
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Vague Envelope X Spoiler Ahead: At the very least the reward is really worth it, even if the method of getting it isn't. The biggest thing that annoys me is how the creator DIDN'T want people to know of the typo or speak of the "puzzle" online. We would of been able to figure it out eventually without looking up the answer but, wow. It is tedious and and silly if you know where to look and crazy if you don't because the hint isn't really enough of a hint at all!
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Fashionable Jorts posted:Envelope X is really goddamn stupid. Not only is the puzzle tedious and awful, but the thing you actually unlock after all of it isn't worth it at all. If I print it myself, it'll look like poo poo, and none of the cards will match the cards in the box (will be really easy to tell which card is coming up!). Envelope X - The class is really cool though. If you use sleeves you can just print the cards out in regular paper and slide them in front of some sleeved cards you're not currently using. It's perfectly fine and playable with minimal investment.
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I have concluded my odyssey with Triforce and vomited my thoughts into a GH Reddit-wiki-styled guide. Contains spoilers for Triforce, obviously, and nothing else except Prosperity 2. https://imgur.com/a/3f8l7EV
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SuperKlaus posted:I have concluded my odyssey with Triforce and vomited my thoughts into a GH Reddit-wiki-styled guide. Contains spoilers for Triforce, obviously, and nothing else except Prosperity 2. What's hilarious about Triforce guides is that all the ones over on Reddit have essentially the same top comment - "I really disagree with most/all of your choices here."  This is even if they are giving completely opposite advice.I guess that's a sign of a well-designed class.
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Just to clarify something really quick--I'm very confused on Envelope X. Can you open it whenever you want ("when you feel like you deserve it")? Or do you open it when you finish a specific Personal Quest that has the envelope listed as the reward? I thought it was the former, but after trying to look around online for a solid answer, it seems like it's actually the later option. But it's hard to tell, because almost everywhere but this thread it's just people waxing philosophical about whether they should even be talking about it online because it makes Isaac upset.
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Envelope x is tied to personal quests.
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Agrias120 posted:Just to clarify something really quick--I'm very confused on Envelope X. Can you open it whenever you want ("when you feel like you deserve it")? Or do you open it when you finish a specific Personal Quest that has the envelope listed as the reward? I thought it was the former, but after trying to look around online for a solid answer, it seems like it's actually the later option. But it's hard to tell, because almost everywhere but this thread it's just people waxing philosophical about whether they should even be talking about it online because it makes Isaac upset. Two different envelopes.
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Much appreciated for you both clearing that up for me. In that case, what is the name of the envelope that you can open whenever you feel like you deserve it? Edit: Thanks for the replies below! I must have forgotten about it from way back when I opened and reorganized the game. Agrias120 fucked around with this message at 18:15 on Dec 5, 2018 |
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Agrias120 posted:Much appreciated for you both clearing that up for me. In that case, what is the name of the envelope that you can open whenever you feel like you deserve it? I think most people just call it the special envelope?
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Agrias120 posted:Much appreciated for you both clearing that up for me. In that case, what is the name of the envelope that you can open whenever you feel like you deserve it? It is labeled "Open this when you feel you deserve it." There's really no mistaking it.
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SuperKlaus posted:I have concluded my odyssey with Triforce and vomited my thoughts into a GH Reddit-wiki-styled guide. Contains spoilers for Triforce, obviously, and nothing else except Prosperity 2. Great guide and mirrors my experiences and card choices pretty well, though I went from spellweaver to triforce. I don't get the hate.
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silvergoose posted:Great guide and mirrors my experiences and card choices pretty well, though I went from spellweaver to triforce. It's a good class. I wonder if the fact that it is highly variable explains the hate. Not only is it very different to play 2P (Triforce spoiler) with no other element generation vs 4P with other characters who put out elements, but I found that the class itself changes radically as you acquire perks, far more than any of the others. I am extremely interested to see what people think of the Diviner/Triforce combination, preferably in a 4P group with some melee types. There's some subtle and very effective synergies operating there. SuperKlaus, I don't agree with all the guide advice, though it is far better than the other Triforce guides I've seen; I may drop a longer analysis in spoiler tags at some point. For now, I'll just say (Triforce spoilers) the way you build and play the class depends heavily on your priority for damage over stun, and drives the balance between fire and ice usage and generation. The class is designed for those two elements to be primary and somewhat exclusive, in the sense that you're encouraged to use opposing pairs of elements. So picking fire over ice leads to a very different guide. I found it possible to build toward a more flexible approach. The extent to which you can do that depends upon how much damage the rest of the party delivers. This build plus the Diviner plus a class like Sun or Lightning could be devastatingly effective.
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Narsham posted:It's a good class. I wonder if the fact that it is highly variable explains the hate. Not only is it very different to play 2P (Triforce spoiler) with no other element generation vs 4P with other characters who put out elements, but I found that the class itself changes radically as you acquire perks, far more than any of the others. I am extremely interested to see what people think of the Diviner/Triforce combination, preferably in a 4P group with some melee types. There's some subtle and very effective synergies operating there. This seems to be the biggest problem overall with Reddit guides -- they never account for the differences in playstyle and strategy that follow when you're playing 1p/2p/3p/4p. A lot of the received wisdom / consensus over there relies on presumptions that don't hold across playgroups -- see, e.g., the reddit consensus that Retaliate is just bad, period, when it's actually incredibly good if 1) it is a standing persistent effect and 2) you're playing 4p.
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The "hypothetical scenario with no party members" is still the best burn on that type of guide/attitude
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It's especially funny because apparently I've played all the "worst" classes: Tinkerer, Two Minis, Triforce, and Circles, and I have had a loving blast the entire time. I'm sure they're all much worse in 2P but I've been playing with a full 4-person party the whole time and this game is great. Also never look at the subreddit for enhancement suggestions because adding curse to every possible multitarget attack is boring as hell
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Xad posted:It's especially funny because apparently I've played all the "worst" classes: Tinkerer, Two Minis, Triforce, and Circles, and I have had a loving blast the entire time. We've played with the latter two in 2p and I loved triforce and my wife was eh on circles, so who the gently caress knows!
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