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what the gently caress is corncobbing in this context
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Dec 5, 2018 03:42
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just picture dogfooding in reverse with a corn cob
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So new news, MS opening up more stuff. Now WPF, Windows Forms, and WinUI are set free, will anything update on any Linux desktop? https://blogs.windows.com/buildingapps/2018/12/04/announcing-open-source-of-wpf-windows-forms-and-winui-at-microsoft-connect-2018/ idk, if MS are using these technologies to build Outlook 2016 I don't think it changes anything. Outlook is no better than Netscape 1 on HP/UX in Motif for how impressively slow and bad at painting it has become.
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MrMoo posted:So new news, MS opening up more stuff. Now WPF, Windows Forms, and WinUI are set free, will anything update on any Linux desktop? FOSS WPF is unironically good, there are some real annoying bugs and super annoying workarounds for things that should have been fixed forever ago that just didn't happen because it got abandoned in favor of UWP I know web dev is all that matters anymore but some people still make desktop applications and XAML/WPF is actually p good
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All that stuff is very much tied to windows apis so there isn't much hope for Linux support, but they announced a while ago that they are working on porting xamarin forms so hopefully that will happen.
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BIGFOOT EROTICA posted:XAML/WPF is actually p good shaggar you forgot to sign out of your alt again
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WPF is the best ui framework ever released
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Damning with faint praise
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mystes posted:All that stuff is very much tied to windows apis so there isn't much hope for Linux support, but they announced a while ago that they are working on porting xamarin forms so hopefully that will happen. it is not very charming a thing to think about, but it is probably a very realistic way to make it into a library capable of very good apps to just attach some wine fragments for a lot of the little details which are otherwise annoying to make cross-platform, and then do a proper port of the actual back-end painting stuff we'll see
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it would be both interesting and rather sad if this move and the rumored eol of edge was satya having decided that everyone just spinning up an electron montrosity for everything is the unavoidable future (or rather that the present will continue), making a lot of the userspace ui infrastructure the os provides largely pointless
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really enjoying getting a "something went wrong" message every 15 mins on teams at the moment.
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Chalks posted:really enjoying getting a "something went wrong" message every 15 mins on teams at the moment. speaking of electron montrosities
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:speaking of electron montrosities best thing about electron is that both the desktop and web client can have all the same issues at the same time
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Last Chance posted:just picture dogfooding in reverse with a corn cob illuminating
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:it is not very charming a thing to think about, but it is probably a very realistic way to make it into a library capable of very good apps to just attach some wine fragments for a lot of the little details which are otherwise annoying to make cross-platform, and then do a proper port of the actual back-end painting stuff
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Toady posted:KHTML is replacing IE?? rumors still, but, yeah, that is certainly one way to put it
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Shaggar posted:chome and all its offshoots are so bad. sorry shagger the dream is dead
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one day you will log onto a thin windows facade over the linux kernel and fire up microsoft chrome
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microsoft is helpfully backporting security vulnerabilities to windows 7
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pram posted:one day you will log onto a thin windows facade over the linux kernel and fire up microsoft chrome this is honestly the best timeline windwos <3 linus shags gets an iphone edge becomes chome
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pram posted:one day you will log onto a thin windows facade over the linux kernel and fire up microsoft chrome 
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Why did they get rid of the delete confirmation dialogue in W10 (something that's been there, IIRC, since Hotdog Stand days)? Like, what's the benefit in changing what's been a part of the user interaction for, at this point, nigh-unto a quarter century?
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Deleting a file and hitting delete no longer throws up a confirmation in W10, it did in W7 and every previous edition I'm aware of?
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huh, i didn't notice that. it doesn't do that if you bypass the recycle bin i wonder when that changed
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Schadenboner posted:Deleting a file and hitting delete no longer throws up a confirmation in W10, it did in W7 and every previous edition I'm aware of? Edit: Oh hmm
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Like, I'm 99% sure it's never actually caused a problem but I noticed it as soon as I tried W10 and I've wondered about the reasoning ever since.
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you've always been able to change that in the recycle bin properties
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wdg: hey everybody, great news about a new product everyone: oh no wdg: we're working on a really cool dual-screen device everyone: no one wants a dual screen device wdg: and we've written an entirely new, innovative shell to make dual-screen scenarios really shine everyone: oh no. you learned nothing from windows 8, did you? wdg: that's right! and our new dual-screen windows is built on windows core os, which is the windows you're used to except that we've ripped out large portions of it so that it can only run uwp apps. everyone: for fucks sake. no one wants a uwp-only windows device. wdg: not to worry! windows core os comes with hyper-v, so you can run win32 apps in windows 10 in a vm! everyone: gently caress no we're not wdg: uh... what if we disguise remote desktop so it looks like you're running a normal app? everyone: we're buying macs now
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Fiedler posted:wdg: hey everybody, great news about a new product nobodys buying macs lol
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Toady posted:KHTML is replacing IE?? lol yeah
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Schadenboner posted:Deleting a file and hitting delete no longer throws up a confirmation in W10, it did in W7 and every previous edition I'm aware of? its never been in w10 if my companys computers are any indication dunno about 8 its great
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Fiedler posted:wdg: hey everybody, great news about a new product what is this product
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orange sky posted:I mean yeah it'll help the little girl with troubleshooting why no Bluetooth device works correctly or why suddenly the graphics card drivers are crashing i literally have both of those problems on my work macbook pro lol
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LastInLine posted:its never been in w10 if my companys computers are any indication dunno about 8 I mean, I personally think the unprompted behavior is the correct one (and it always should have worked like this) but it’s a change in expected user interface behavior after 25+ years and I’m not sure why?
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Schadenboner posted:I mean, I personally think the unprompted behavior is the correct one (and it always should have worked like this) but it’s a change in expected user interface behavior after 25+ years and I’m not sure why? I assume the justification for no delete prompts is that you can undo the delete, but if I press the wrong button or something and a file randomly disappears, I may not even notice that's happened. How often are people encountering the delete confirmation prompt that the benefit of removing it outweighs the danger of accidental data loss?
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akadajet posted:i literally have both of those problems on my work macbook pro lol Also the bluetooth drivers are really solid on the SPro, and the graphics drivers are an explicitly frozen version of intel drivers for stability (you can still use the normal ones if you want) Now if you're talking about the keyboard drivers which cause a BSOD every few months, or the dock drivers which break WiFi on some models (doesn't happen to me), well yeah that is crap
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Chalks posted:I assume the justification for no delete prompts is that you can undo the delete, but if I press the wrong button or something and a file randomly disappears, I may not even notice that's happened. How often are people encountering the delete confirmation prompt that the benefit of removing it outweighs the danger of accidental data loss? Well, if it had always been like that from the start of Windows unto-this-very-day then it would be fine (and even more “correct” as long as the recycle bin isn’t bypassed by default) and would have maybe built “check the recycle bin first” culture into the user base. But doing something for every previous version then just going “Welp...” seems peak-W10? Desktop Windows is long-tail legacy software and should drat well behave like it. 
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