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XK
Jul 9, 2001

Star Citizen is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it's fidelity when you look out your window or when you watch youtube

mojo1701a posted:

I could've sworn there was more to it than that. Maybe I'm reading it incorrectly, but he's talking about using melting points to separate silver from copper, and using the 99% he already has to top up the remaining weight.

I also remember there being pictures of self-stamped ingots.

JohnnieWalker was the real galaxy mind of early bitcointalk forums. He was trying to hock all kinds of stuff, and started offering silver ingots he melted himself. Some dude bought one and complained on the bt forums that it looked like poo poo and assayed below promised purity by quite a bit. Then JW explained his whole process of adding in more pure pieces of silver he got somewhere, 90-95% pure type stuff. He would melt a bunch of silverware and other junk, then add in his "pure pieces", and he would hit 99% somehow? Plus he added a little extra to make up for his guesstimating.

Then he posted videos of him making silver ingots. It was basically him on his landlord's porch, melting poo poo in a pot on the ground with a blow torch, then hammering it on the concrete basement floor, and sanding it with a power drill with a sanding disk on it, almost taking body parts off.

The original dude who complained responded to all this by posting something like, "Yeah, that explains it."

Somebody has to have those old videos, please.

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Clockwerk
Apr 6, 2005


Logansryche’s unceasing desire for the fabled ‘94 Ford Bronco should never be forgotten

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



XK posted:

JohnnieWalker was the real galaxy mind of early bitcointalk forums. He was trying to hock all kinds of stuff, and started offering silver ingots he melted himself. Some dude bought one and complained on the bt forums that it looked like poo poo and assayed below promised purity by quite a bit. Then JW explained his whole process of adding in more pure pieces of silver he got somewhere, 90-95% pure type stuff. He would melt a bunch of silverware and other junk, then add in his "pure pieces", and he would hit 99% somehow? Plus he added a little extra to make up for his guesstimating.

Then he posted videos of him making silver ingots. It was basically him on his landlord's porch, melting poo poo in a pot on the ground with a blow torch, then hammering it on the concrete basement floor, and sanding it with a power drill with a sanding disk on it, almost taking body parts off.

The original dude who complained responded to all this by posting something like, "Yeah, that explains it."

Somebody has to have those old videos, please.

JohnnieWalker didn't know that silverware (even actual silver, silverware) is just plated. What a dork.

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

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Burt Sexual posted:

Well we’ve been waiting for thread title suggestions!
Bitcoin: Now In 4K

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

orange juche posted:

JohnnieWalker didn't know that silverware (even actual silver, silverware) is just plated. What a dork.

But.....actual silverware is like 92.5% silver. That's the legal definition of "sterling silver". "Silverware" that is not pure silver but instead plated with silver is generally called "silver plate". That's an entirely different thing, even though people refer to lots of things that look like utensils are "silverware".

JohnnieWalker is an idiot, but don't join him by talking poo poo about things you don't know anything about.

Motronic fucked around with this message at 03:45 on Dec 5, 2018

AutoArgus
Jun 24, 2009
Didn't Logansryche turn out to have some actual mental and physical disabilities? Like to the tune of "This is literally the best this guy is capable of", not just someone with weird fixations they can't get past?

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


Remember when he tried doing the guitar pick thing and "what is copyright" and "why are these more expensive than real guitar picks"

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



Motronic posted:

But.....actual silverware is like 92.5% silver. That's the legal definition of "sterling silver". "Silverware" that is not pure silver but instead plated with silver is generally called "silver plate". That's an entirely different thing, even though people refer to lots of things that look like utensils are "silverware".

JohnnieWalker is an idiot, but don't join him by talking poo poo about things you don't know anything about.

Huh, I learned something today, however I kinda doubt that JohnnieWalker was using sterling silver for his ramshackle smelting attempts, also the whole thing was just stupid entirely and my brain hurts now thinking about how he came to a "yes this is how this works"

Powered Descent
Jul 13, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

Powershift posted:

Remember when he tried doing the guitar pick thing and "what is copyright" and "why are these more expensive than real guitar picks"

His plan for the copyright thing, if I recall correctly, was to acquire a Creative Commons License, which would allow him to do anything he wanted with anybody's IP.

Just got to figure out where you go to apply for one of those. Can't be any harder than getting a fishing license, though, right?

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


orange juche posted:

Huh, I learned something today, however I kinda doubt that JohnnieWalker was using sterling silver for his ramshackle smelting attempts, also the whole thing was just stupid entirely and my brain hurts now thinking about how he came to a "yes this is how this works"

He was using 92.5, but he thought "melt down some .925, add a bunch of .999 shot until it's all .999, stamp it as such"

Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

Cybernetic Crumb

Powered Descent posted:

His plan for the copyright thing, if I recall correctly, was to acquire a Creative Commons License, which would allow him to do anything he wanted with anybody's IP.

Just got to figure out where you go to apply for one of those. Can't be any harder than getting a fishing license, though, right?

haha

Lolie
Jun 4, 2010

AUSGBS Thread Mum

AutoArgus posted:

Didn't Logansryche turn out to have some actual mental and physical disabilities? Like to the tune of "This is literally the best this guy is capable of", not just someone with weird fixations they can't get past?

Yes. He got fired from Walmart twice.

He also pimped out his then girlfriend, now wife.

ArbitraryC
Jan 28, 2009
Pick a number, any number
Pillbug

mojo1701a posted:

I could've sworn there was more to it than that. Maybe I'm reading it incorrectly, but he's talking about using melting points to separate silver from copper, and using the 99% he already has to top up the remaining weight.

I also remember there being pictures of self-stamped ingots.

The explanation already doesn't make any sense because if his refining method worked in the first place he wouldn't need to "top off" the weight, he'd just take the impure silver, refine it, and sell what he made of it, no need for additives, just start with 10 oz of 90% and sell 9 oz of pure once he worked his magic.

Obviously his magic didn't actually work.

I know nothing about metallurgy but from a more general chemical perspective when you've mixed things even if the individual components have obvious differences you might use to separate them the substances tend to interact in a way that prevents achieving purity from one simple method. An easy example is ethanol distillation, obviously ethanol has a lower boiling point than water so for distillation purposes people would heat the mixture, let the ethanol vaporize while leaving the water behind, capture it, and condense it back down into a more pure form. However you encounter what's called an azeotrope around 95-96 percent, where essentially the vapors that come off the liquid as it boils end up having the same chemical ratio as the liquid itself despite the difference in boiling point, can't refine ethanol from water further from that simply by using their difference in boiling points. This is why you see the highest proof booze you can regularly buy for drinking is at 191 or 95.5 percent.

Dude's explanation for how he extracts the silver from the impurities makes sense at a glance (silver melts at a lower temp than copper), but it's p obvious it doesn't actually work that way when it's an alloy and the whole "adding pure silver to guarantee it" is basically them openly admitting to it being a scam because there'd be no need for if they could actually refine stuff to that purity in the first place. They'd just start with more crude.

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

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I think you have to run some kind of reactive gas through molten silver to purify it. It's not impossible to do, obviously, our primitive forebears who poo poo in a bucket were able to do it, but even they had dedicated workspaces for this purpose.

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


Nessus posted:

I think you have to run some kind of reactive gas through molten silver to purify it. It's not impossible to do, obviously, our primitive forebears who poo poo in a bucket were able to do it, but even they had dedicated workspaces for this purpose.

They also died of old age at 38

Clockwerk
Apr 6, 2005


What if making GBS threads in a bucket because modern plumbing hasn’t been invented yet, but on the block chain!?!

Gobbeldygook
May 13, 2009
Hates Native American people and tries to justify their genocides.

Put this racist on ignore immediately!

Nessus posted:

I think you have to run some kind of reactive gas through molten silver to purify it. It's not impossible to do, obviously, our primitive forebears who poo poo in a bucket were able to do it, but even they had dedicated workspaces for this purpose.
It was worse than that.

quote:

Continually pressured by their imperial masters to increase the output of the Spanish mines, Roman smelters pioneered a variety of innovative techniques, including "amalgamation," or dissolution of precious metals from pulverized ores into liquid mercury. Subsequent distillation of the mercury left behind gold and silver. The Romans obtained mercury from their mines at Almaden in Spain by heating a reddish-orange mineral called cinnabar, mercury sulfide, and decomposing it into sulfur dioxide and liquid metal.

Seeking to further improve the extraction of minuscule amounts of gold and silver from their Iberian mines, Roman smelters then devised the process called "liquation." Taking advantage of the greater solubility of gold and silver in lead than copper, smelters melted copper containing these metals, together with large quantities of lead, which absorbed them. Since copper and lead are not soluble in each other, and lead melts at a much lower temperature (328 degrees) than copper (1083 degrees), the lead and copper could be separated by gentle heating, allowing the liquid lead, laden with gold and silver, to drain off. Cupellation then recovered the precious metals from the lead.
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quote:

Large scale cupellation
Native silver is a rare element, although it exists as such. It is usually found in nature combined with other metals, or in minerals that contain silver compounds, generally in the form of sulfides such as galena (lead sulfide) or cerussite (lead carbonate). So the primary production of silver requires the smelting and then cupellation of argentiferous lead ores.[7][4]

Lead melts at 327°C, lead oxide at 888°C and silver melts at 960°C. To separate the silver, the alloy is melted again at the high temperature of 960°C to 1000°C in an oxidizing environment. The lead oxidises to lead monoxide, then known as litharge, which captures the oxygen from the other metals present. The liquid lead oxide is removed or absorbed by capillary action into the hearth linings. This chemical reaction[8][9][10] may be viewed as:

Ag(s) + 2Pb(s) + O
2(g) → 2PbO(absorbed) + Ag(l)
The base of the hearth was dug in the form of a saucepan, and covered with an inert and porous material rich in calcium or magnesium such as shells, lime, or bone ash.[11] The lining had to be calcareous because lead reacts with silica (clay compounds) to form viscous lead silicate that prevents the needed absorption of litharge, whereas calcareous materials do not react with lead.[7] Some of the litharge evaporates, and the rest is absorbed by the porous earth lining to form "litharge cakes".[9][12]

Gobbeldygook fucked around with this message at 06:09 on Dec 5, 2018

Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!

Powershift posted:

They also died of old age at 38

nah we've always died of old age in the 70-90 range, it's just that only in recent decades have we reached the level of technology and science where we live to the point that our bodies get too old and tired to sustain themselves and just shut down, rather than getting dysentery and making GBS threads ourselves to death at 27

Lote
Aug 5, 2001

Place your bets

Nessus posted:

I think you have to run some kind of reactive gas through molten silver to purify it. It's not impossible to do, obviously, our primitive forebears who poo poo in a bucket were able to do it, but even they had dedicated workspaces for this purpose.

You can do that.

Or you take the silver. Crush it into a coarse powder. Add liquid mercury, table salt and copper sulfate. Stir this for a day or two. You should be left with silver chloride which you then expose to bright sunlight. This should make your pure silver and chlorine gas.

Powered Descent
Jul 13, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

The White Dragon posted:

getting dysentery and making GBS threads ourselves to death at 27

Yeah, that was my original retirement plan too.

Ah, the folly of youth.

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

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Lote posted:

You can do that.

Or you take the silver. Crush it into a coarse powder. Add liquid mercury, table salt and copper sulfate. Stir this for a day or two. You should be left with silver chloride which you then expose to bright sunlight. This should make your pure silver and chlorine gas.
Hmm... sounds risky. Any chance we can do this in a poorly ventilated shack?

Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!

Nessus posted:

Hmm... sounds risky. Any chance we can do this in a poorly ventilated shack?

i always do my alchemy in a well ventilated area, for example my apartment complex's patio

McSpanky
Jan 16, 2005






The White Dragon posted:

nah we've always died of old age in the 70-90 range, it's just that only in recent decades have we reached the level of technology and science where we live to the point that our bodies get too old and tired to sustain themselves and just shut down, rather than getting dysentery and making GBS threads ourselves to death at 27

Also past average lifespans were heavily skewed by the brutal infant-child mortality rate.

Tenzarin
Jul 24, 2007
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Taco Defender
Who is Dr. Ben Goertzel, what is his blockchain-based AI marketplace, and why was he on JRE?

Lote
Aug 5, 2001

Place your bets

Nessus posted:

Hmm... sounds risky. Any chance we can do this in a poorly ventilated shack?

Please.

This requires heat so stove top is ideal. Use the fume good to get rid of the chlorine gas. That way if any mercury spills you can wipe it up with a towel.

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


Tenzarin posted:

Who is Dr. Ben Goertzel, what is his blockchain-based AI marketplace, and why was he on JRE?

Just deducing here, but an idiot, not a real doctor, and probably a nazi based solely on the facts you've provided.

Zamujasa
Oct 27, 2010



Bread Liar

Burt Sexual posted:

Well we've been waiting for thread title suggestions!

The Something Awful Forums > Main > General Bullshit > Bitcoin: all these mining GPUs and they can't even produce 4K

Kung Food
Dec 11, 2006

PORN WIZARD

Tenzarin posted:

Who is Dr. Ben Goertzel, what is his blockchain-based AI marketplace, and why was he on JRE?

My money is on the cause being Joe Rogan is the platonic ideal of a dumb rube.

Lolie
Jun 4, 2010

AUSGBS Thread Mum
And 3844.

girl dick energy
Sep 30, 2009

You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?
Bitcoin is making concessions

Bitcoin, now in $4K!

Shinjobi
Jul 10, 2008


Gravy Boat 2k
Can I Borrow A Bitcoin? Can you lend me a jar of butts?

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004

коммунизм хранится в яичках

kuddles posted:

LOL You literally couldn't find a company more uncooperative regarding other people doing something with their content than Disney.

Yeah, the company that has completely ratfucked US copyright law to keep their iron grip on their stable of public-domain fairytale adaptions doesn't play nice. At all.

Somebody needs to encode the Mouse into the blockchain so Disney will take it down.

Liquid Communism fucked around with this message at 09:55 on Dec 5, 2018

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!

Tenzarin posted:

Who is Dr. Ben Goertzel, what is his blockchain-based AI marketplace, and why was he on JRE?

an Artificial Intelligence researcher of the completely useless Singularitarian variety though not quite as nuts as Yudkowsky, an idea as obviously dumb and terrible as it sounds, and because techbros

Furia
Jul 26, 2015

Grimey Drawer

Pierson posted:

There was also the Bitcoin camgirl project (possibly also by logansryche!) where an actual professional camsite runner steps in to give a huge amount of great advice about how to run a camsite and the project leader ignores it all, assumes she's trying to pitch herself to him for a job, and calls her a whore.

The gently caress

The Kins
Oct 2, 2004

Burt Sexual posted:

Well we’ve been waiting for thread title suggestions!
To continue riffing off the same joke as everyone else:

Bitcoin is now under $4k, rapidly approaching $1080p

Pierson posted:

There was also the Bitcoin camgirl project (possibly also by logansryche!) where an actual professional camsite runner steps in to give a huge amount of great advice about how to run a camsite and the project leader ignores it all, assumes she's trying to pitch herself to him for a job, and calls her a whore.
That wasn't Logansryche, it was some other techno-libertarian charmer. I forget the exact details, but he was trying to pass himself off as one of them, I think, and promptly got taken to business school by streetwise veteran camgirls.

The Kins fucked around with this message at 12:19 on Dec 5, 2018

Lolie
Jun 4, 2010

AUSGBS Thread Mum

The Kins posted:


That wasn't Logansryche, it was some other techno-libertarian charmer. I forget the exact details, but he was trying to pass himself off as one of them, I think, and promptly got taken to business school by streetwise veteran camgirls.

Was it Vegeta? I remember him being so obnoxious that he eventually changed his username.

Feinne
Oct 9, 2007

When you fall, get right back up again.

Lolie posted:

Was it Vegeta? I remember him being so obnoxious that he eventually changed his username.

Yeah that was the guy, this should be the thread in question: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=20984.0

EDIT: LOL I forgot he was also the TweetForum guy.

revwinnebago
Oct 4, 2017

You remember the guy who was trying to imagine economics as blue balls going down pipes? And claimed we should pay plumbers by who gives them the most attention e.g. blue balls.

I'm sure he's a Blockchain nut today, but he got it backwards because Patreon turns out to be for people who want to get blue balled by thots and not the other way around.

Kung Food posted:

My money is on the cause being Joe Rogan is the platonic ideal of a dumb rube.

Don't get me wrong he is, BUT the fascinating thing is that he invites a good variety of people on and honestly listens (as far as he can since he's literally toking up halfway through a discussion).

For instance, he used to be a moon landing denier but now realizes what a dipshit position that was. Super worth listening to, especially when he has actual smart people on.

As to whether this blockchain guy is a smart person, I'm going to guess no but to be fair according to Wookiepedia I think his actual job is using machine learning to cheat people out of their butts.

mojo1701a
Oct 9, 2008

Oh, yeah. Loud and clear. Emphasis on LOUD!
~ David Lee Roth

XK posted:

JohnnieWalker was the real galaxy mind of early bitcointalk forums. He was trying to hock all kinds of stuff, and started offering silver ingots he melted himself. Some dude bought one and complained on the bt forums that it looked like poo poo and assayed below promised purity by quite a bit. Then JW explained his whole process of adding in more pure pieces of silver he got somewhere, 90-95% pure type stuff. He would melt a bunch of silverware and other junk, then add in his "pure pieces", and he would hit 99% somehow? Plus he added a little extra to make up for his guesstimating.

Then he posted videos of him making silver ingots. It was basically him on his landlord's porch, melting poo poo in a pot on the ground with a blow torch, then hammering it on the concrete basement floor, and sanding it with a power drill with a sanding disk on it, almost taking body parts off.

The original dude who complained responded to all this by posting something like, "Yeah, that explains it."

Somebody has to have those old videos, please.

There was a video of it? Holy poo poo.

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necrotic
Aug 2, 2005
I owe my brother big time for this!
Yeah. I was waiting for him to burn down the property the whole video.

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