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LIVE AMMO ROLEPLAY posted:Cool. Yeah Loren Bouchard posted:AVC: And the cannibal angle did make it into the pilot, so… Someone check Bouchard's freezer
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A lot of twists like that turn out to be unnecessary when it turns out funny writing and good performances can carry a show just fine. Reminded of the initial plan for The Simpsons where Homer was actually Krusty in his day job.
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Dec 3, 2018 10:13
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I think the episode where he came out as gay was unnecessary because that was part of the joke but I have never watched it because the Simpsons post 9th season wasn't necessary
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Dec 3, 2018 10:16
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Winklebottom posted:Oh yes Huh, I had no idea Bob's Burgers was from the same guy who did Lucy. I remember really liking that show when it came out, and wishing they had made more episodes. Have to wonder how well it'd hold up to a rewatch though
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Dec 3, 2018 11:05
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Pick posted:Yes, Ivanova and Talia are in a relationship and that's how loving ambiguous they had to be about it. I was going to mention that. Yeah, those two dudes are pretending to be travelling on their honeymoon, and while it's made into a bit of a joke the joke is "*those* two guys? they're so totally not each others' type" while the concept of two dudes being married is presented as totally boring and normal. So there's that, I guess.
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Groke posted:I was going to mention that. Yeah, those two dudes are pretending to be travelling on their honeymoon, and while it's made into a bit of a joke the joke is "*those* two guys? they're so totally not each others' type" while the concept of two dudes being married is presented as totally boring and normal. So there's that, I guess. I wonder whether this was a reaction to someone shipping them in fanfic.
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Groke posted:I was going to mention that. Yeah, those two dudes are pretending to be travelling on their honeymoon, and while it's made into a bit of a joke the joke is "*those* two guys? they're so totally not each others' type" while the concept of two dudes being married is presented as totally boring and normal. So there's that, I guess. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuQ5lpDgnOY&t=28s I had almost forgotten that moment - which is surprising given how gay I was for Marcus.
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JMS did that deliberately. His thought was that with umpteen kinds of sentient aliens around people would care less about differences in sexuality or gender than the bigger differences between species. Not being totally idealistic, he had the current hatreds and prejudices shifted to hating aliens. Which got politically manipulated to give an Earth First movement that ended up (of course) in cahoots with a major alien species.
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Dec 3, 2018 15:56
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Winklebottom posted:Someone check Bouchard's freezer Bob's is one of those things where I like the end product but would not want to spend any time with the people who make it.
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Dec 3, 2018 17:26
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MrUnderbridge posted:JMS did that deliberately. His thought was that with umpteen kinds of sentient aliens around people would care less about differences in sexuality or gender than the bigger differences between species. I know, it's one of the reasons Babylon 5 is so drat good
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Additional fun fact, he wrote a fake script where Londo and G'kar made out just to be a troll
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Dec 3, 2018 22:11
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Pick posted:Additional fun fact, he wrote a fake script where Londo and G'kar made out just to be a troll Am I crazy, or did it include a line from G'Kar where he complained Londo used too many of his tentacles?
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Ambassador Gkar having a low-key scandalous horn for earth ladies was always amusing, especially when he propositioned Talia for some ‘Telepath Breeding’ and she was ‘you couldn’t handle this pussy’ and he was ‘oo drat’
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Dec 4, 2018 14:17
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NoneMoreNegative posted:Ambassador Gkar having a low-key scandalous horn for earth ladies was always amusing, especially when he propositioned Talia for some ‘Telepath Breeding’ and she was ‘you couldn’t handle this pussy’ and he was ‘oo drat’ poo poo, I gotta watch Babylon 5.
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Dec 4, 2018 21:04
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I don’t see how G’Kar could be such an operator. For all the changes he goes through, he’s a persnickety dork through and through.
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NoneMoreNegative posted:Ambassador Gkar having a low-key scandalous horn for earth ladies was always amusing, especially when he propositioned Talia for some ‘Telepath Breeding’ and she was ‘you couldn’t handle this pussy’ and he was ‘oo drat’ Best part was that it was a callback to the pilot episode.
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It was Lyta, not Talia.
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:I don’t see how G’Kar could be such an operator. For all the changes he goes through, he’s a persnickety dork through and through. He is both a persnickety dork and a lizard man. That's basically lady crack
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Not Operator posted:poo poo, I gotta watch Babylon 5. it's really good in general if you can stand the budget it was run on
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Dec 5, 2018 09:27
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Don't watch the pilot until after you've watched every other episode. It was bad.
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Dec 5, 2018 09:54
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hard counter posted:it's really good in general if you can stand the budget it was run on It's also 90s as gently caress in every way.
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Pick posted:He is both a persnickety dork and a lizard man. That's basically lady crack Despite superficial similarities, Narns aren't lizards or reptiloids at all but closer to marsupials oh god why do I still remember this over twenty years later?
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Groke posted:It's also 90s as gently caress in every way. Apart from being the first SF show with a persistent narrative arc.
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Jedit posted:Apart from being the first SF show with a persistent narrative arc. Depending on what you mean by "persistent narrative", wouldn't V, Doctor Who, Blake's Seven and Red Dwarf have all beaten it to the punch?
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Randalor posted:Depending on what you mean by "persistent narrative", wouldn't V, Doctor Who, Blake's Seven and Red Dwarf have all beaten it to the punch? Those are not even remotely similar in terms of what Babylon 5 was doing. Babylon 5 was essentially a 5-season miniseries and there are incredibly few dropped threads. No other show has ever been so tight in its planning and execution. And unlike Lost, Babylon 5 was provably written in its entirety before anything was filmed. It's what other shows pretend to be. *When I say written I don't mean line-for-line, but outlined on, iirc, over ten thousand index cards with contingency plans for any character leaving at any stage (which happened three times to major characters, including the MAIN CHARACTER, so good drat thing!) Groke posted:Despite superficial similarities, Narns aren't lizards or reptiloids at all but closer to marsupials oh god why do I still remember this over twenty years later? Because there's that whole bit about the Narn pouch like seahorses! Pick has a new favorite as of 16:30 on Dec 5, 2018 |
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I mean people think of Babylon 5 as having ushered in "other shows like it", but what it ushered in was other shows that sold the line that you could expect things from former episodes to show up again later, not that the writers had any loving idea where things were going. That's also part of why Babylon 5's best episode is the last episode because it so neatly capstones all its content and themes, whereas for most shows, the last episode is the episode where you realize you've been lied to for 3-7 years.
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Dec 5, 2018 16:24
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Pick posted:, whereas for most shows, the last episode is the episode where you realize you've been lied to for 3-7 years.  HIMYM
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Pick posted:I mean people think of Babylon 5 as having ushered in "other shows like it", but what it ushered in was other shows that sold the line that you could expect things from former episodes to show up again later, not that the writers had any loving idea where things were going. That's also part of why Babylon 5's best episode is the last episode because it so neatly capstones all its content and themes, whereas for most shows, the last episode is the episode where you realize you've been lied to for 3-7 years. Sleeping in Light and The Deconstruction of Falling Stars were two of the best episodes of TV ever made.
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Antioch posted:Sleeping in Light and The Deconstruction of Falling Stars were two of the best episodes of TV ever made. 
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Think of how good Babylon 5's last episode must be that nerds don't complain about it. 
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Pick posted:Because there's that whole bit about the Narn pouch like seahorses! I think that's one of the greater things about B5, the aliens were alien. I wonder if there would have been more non-humanoid alien designs if they had the budget for it.
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Iron Crowned posted:I think that's one of the greater things about B5, the aliens were alien. I wonder if there would have been more non-humanoid alien designs if they had the budget for it. They had an attempt at an insectoid crime lord in the first season, so probably.
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^^^ That's because the Pak'ma'ra are carrion eaters. mojo1701a posted:They had an attempt at an insectoid crime lord in the first season, so probably. That was what they had lying around the props department. The costume was recycled in S1 of Buffy.
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Pick posted:Think of how good Babylon 5's last episode must be that nerds don't complain about it. It was pretty much a perfect finale for the show.
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I always liked how some aliens couldn't breathe in an oxygen rich atmosphere so they had to wear encounter suits when they were outside of their rooms or ships.
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CannonFodder posted:
I think that ending could have worked if they’d ended the show by about season 3. By the time the show actually ended they’d written themselves into a totally different corner and just refused to change it.
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Pick posted:Think of how good Babylon 5's last episode must be that nerds don't complain about it. I mean TNG's final episode was pretty drat good too as a series capstone except they made a bit of a mistake with the anti-time thing
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Iron Crowned posted:I always liked how some aliens couldn't breathe in an oxygen rich atmosphere so they had to wear encounter suits when they were outside of their rooms or ships. You had a bit of that implied with the Breen in DS9. There's also the occasional mention of offscreen Starfleet officers with much weirder biologies. One cool thing about Star Trek TAS is that they went out of their way to use exotic and nonhumanoid alien designs when not mandated by canon, and treated as equals by the Starfleet crew. Of course this is the show where Kirk becomes buddies with Satan.
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