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Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Neo_Crimson posted:

Gets me every time.

Is that Nazi version of Patreon still aroun? They'll take him.

It is, but, irony of ironies, they don't allow known homosexuals to post on the site.

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HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

Is diamorphine completely unavailable by prescription in the US? It's prescribed here in the UK, but only AFAIK for cases of terminal, severe pain. And in childbirth sometimes.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound

pseudanonymous posted:

What is egg milk? Or eggmilk.

Cruz facemeat.

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

BarbarianElephant posted:

Nearly as "ironically" edgy as an alt-right poster circa 2015.

was there something ironic there

Spun Dog
Sep 21, 2004


Smellrose

Ague Proof posted:

Milo has posted a response to his Patreon and Twitter, with an ad for his next book.

Not clicking any of that, thanks

Squalid
Nov 4, 2008

Giggy posted:

I believe doctors should be able to prescribe Heroin to patients and addicts though.

It’s sad this even though this is so obviously a rational technocratic response to the opioid crisis it’s just impossible for politicians to even talk about it. I hope that as marijuana legalization progresses it will inspire more people to question the fundamental assumptions behind the drug war.

Tayter Swift
Nov 18, 2002

Pillbug

Neo_Crimson posted:

Gets me every time.

Is that Nazi version of Patreon still aroun? They'll take him.

Please tell me it's called GoFundYourself

Arturo Ui
Apr 14, 2005

Forums Bosch Expert

Tayter Swift posted:

Please tell me it's called GoFundYourself

"Hatreon" and it was shut down last year because VISA banned them

Giggy
Jan 22, 2010

Serfer posted:

They might not be able to prescrible heroin, but they can prescribe fentanyl.

"Common opiates available by prescription include: codeine, hydrocodone, hydromorphone, fentanyl, methadone, morphine, tramadol, oxycodone, oxymorphone, and tapentadol. All of these agents are classified as Schedule II narcotics by the DEA."

Yeah, but they can't prescribe them to help with addiction recovery except for Methadone and Suboxone clinics. We should be using the term opiates because there is a justifiable stigma with Heroin -- it's a "dirty" drug and users have no idea what's in it. But the addiction to the opiate shouldn't be stigmatized.


e: I wanna make clear that when I say we shouldn't stigmatize the addiction that I simply mean we should stop pretending that abuse of an opioid is somehow fundamentally worse than abuse of any other substance.

Giggy fucked around with this message at 00:34 on Dec 6, 2018

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Tayter Swift posted:

Please tell me it's called GoFundYourself

It was literally called Hatreon, and no, it’s not still around, it folded three months after its launch because these people are stupid and they LITERALLY NAMED IT HATREON.

E: beaten

How are u
May 19, 2005

by Azathoth

Uncleanly Cleric posted:

Is it wrong that I'm really excited for the metapost where you use this gif to call someone an idiot?

It's a little sad, yes.

Phobic Nest
Oct 2, 2013

You Are My Sunshine
ABC News displaying impressive cropping skills in their reaction shots and videos at Bush's funeral. You'd never know that Donald was in the same pew, glowering just offscreen to the left.

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

TIE Adv xWampa

It wamp, and it stomp

Grimey Drawer

Who is Meelo?

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Phobic Nest posted:

ABC News displaying impressive cropping skills in their reaction shots and videos at Bush's funeral. You'd never know that Donald was in the same pew, glowering just offscreen to the left.

God willing this is how his presidency will be treated writ large. Just cropped out of the left frame of history itself. President Asterisk.

Heck Yes! Loam!
Nov 15, 2004

a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay.

Chilichimp posted:

Who is Meelo?

Calaveron
Aug 7, 2006
:negative:

nine-gear crow posted:

God willing this is how his presidency will be treated writ large. Just cropped out of the left frame of history itself. President Asterisk.

Nope, it has to be a big loving deal touted constantly, let it serve as a warning or a landmark moment that this is when poo poo just failed because of these people

selec
Sep 6, 2003

The only thing that will stop or slow the opiate epidemic is a radical restructuring of our society and economy. Life expectancy is dropping for some demographics in this country, almost exclusively in rural areas. It’s because they’re poor and have no prospects. If they were not poor and had prospects, the problem would solve itself. It’s literally that simple: people become addicts to alleviate the boredom and misery of their day to day lives. If you give them something more compelling, they get their usage under control on their own, typically. Rehab doesn’t work if the person comes out clean and lands in the same situation that drove them to use in the first place.

But because we can’t speak honestly about how we got here and who oversaw the crisis we’ve made, we can’t address root causes. It sounds counterintuitive but it’s true; the way we chose to deal with the economic collapse of 08 drove an enormous spike in usage, because the way we dealt with it didn’t ameliorate the suffering of the people hardest hit.

But that honest discussion ain’t happening, so let’s at least let people that we can’t admit were born to die in poverty do so in a fashion of their choosing.

Koalas March
May 21, 2007



Chilichimp posted:

Who is Meelo?

Who is Tammy Lawrence??

my bony fealty
Oct 1, 2008


hell yeah

Trump killin coal

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

TIE Adv xWampa

It wamp, and it stomp

Grimey Drawer

Koalas Massacre posted:

Who is Tammy Lawrence??

Who is Sean Hammity?

BigglesSWE
Dec 2, 2014

How 'bout them hawks news huh!
https://twitter.com/ericszyszka/status/1070370994790039553?s=21

Giggy
Jan 22, 2010

selec posted:

The only thing that will stop or slow the opiate epidemic is a radical restructuring of our society and economy. Life expectancy is dropping for some demographics in this country, almost exclusively in rural areas. It’s because they’re poor and have no prospects. If they were not poor and had prospects, the problem would solve itself. It’s literally that simple: people become addicts to alleviate the boredom and misery of their day to day lives. If you give them something more compelling, they get their usage under control on their own, typically. Rehab doesn’t work if the person comes out clean and lands in the same situation that drove them to use in the first place.

But because we can’t speak honestly about how we got here and who oversaw the crisis we’ve made, we can’t address root causes. It sounds counterintuitive but it’s true; the way we chose to deal with the economic collapse of 08 drove an enormous spike in usage, because the way we dealt with it didn’t ameliorate the suffering of the people hardest hit.

But that honest discussion ain’t happening, so let’s at least let people that we can’t admit were born to die in poverty do so in a fashion of their choosing.

Agreed. Unfortunately, I feel the philosophy of many rehab programs is flawed because it focuses so much on mental health and not the material conditions of addicts. It's why I get a bit upset when people say "its a medical condition not a moral one" I want to scream "well it's a moral problem for society." It doesn't help that many psychiatrists and rehab counselors still say marijuana is a gateway drug and any substance use is bad except caffeine for some reason.

Space Cadet Omoly
Jan 15, 2014

~Groovy~


Koalas Massacre posted:

Who is Tammy Lawrence??

I think she was Ron Swanson's second wife on Parks and Recreation, the one Megan Mullally played.

plogo
Jan 20, 2009
Pure speculation and coming from a China bear in the first place, but Jim Chanos (famed short seller) is speculating China could retaliate by messing with Sheldon Adelson's Macau business.

https://twitter.com/WallStCynic/status/1070467598704394241

ascii genitals
Aug 19, 2000



Calaveron posted:

Nope, it has to be a big loving deal touted constantly, let it serve as a warning or a landmark moment that this is when poo poo just failed because of these people

References to Trump will be like comparing someone to Benedict Arnold, but with the extra laziness and fraud. I look forward to using Trump as an insult.

ascii genitals fucked around with this message at 01:07 on Dec 6, 2018

GyroNinja
Nov 7, 2012

TulliusCicero posted:

Trump's base are a lot of people who "claim to be religous", because their "religion" helps them create their insane world view.

They actually believe in nothing but their own superiority.

These people are the majority of American (White) Christians though.



People focus on how 80% of Evangelicals voted Trump, but he also won ~60% of white Catholics and Protestants in general.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound

selec posted:

The only thing that will stop or slow the opiate epidemic is a radical restructuring of our society and economy. Life expectancy is dropping for some demographics in this country, almost exclusively in rural areas. It’s because they’re poor and have no prospects. If they were not poor and had prospects, the problem would solve itself. It’s literally that simple: people become addicts to alleviate the boredom and misery of their day to day lives. If you give them something more compelling, they get their usage under control on their own, typically. Rehab doesn’t work if the person comes out clean and lands in the same situation that drove them to use in the first place.

But because we can’t speak honestly about how we got here and who oversaw the crisis we’ve made, we can’t address root causes. It sounds counterintuitive but it’s true; the way we chose to deal with the economic collapse of 08 drove an enormous spike in usage, because the way we dealt with it didn’t ameliorate the suffering of the people hardest hit.

But that honest discussion ain’t happening, so let’s at least let people that we can’t admit were born to die in poverty do so in a fashion of their choosing.

http://www.stuartmcmillen.com/comic/rat-park/

Devor
Nov 30, 2004
Lurking more.

GyroNinja posted:

These people are the majority of American (White) Christians though.



People focus on how 80% of Evangelicals voted Trump, but he also won ~60% of white Catholics and Protestants in general.

80% is 4:1
60% is 2:1

That's twice as CHUDdy

PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010
Hatreon was also stupidly programmed and allowed negative numbers which allowed money to be taken from somewhere and be given to the donor.

selec
Sep 6, 2003


This study, the revelation in Gang Leader For A Day that the majority of crack users are recreational users with jobs who don’t smoke crack every day, and a few personal relationships and experiences all cemented my belief that every goddamn social problem comes back to the economic system we live under. No problem will ever be solved without addressing it, and the things we keep trying Are band aids.

selec fucked around with this message at 01:30 on Dec 6, 2018

cr0y
Mar 24, 2005



Cuz we need a chuckle sometimes

https://twitter.com/ProBirdRights/status/1070422062932480000?s=19

VideoGameVet
May 14, 2005

It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion. It is by the juice of Java that pedaling acquires speed, the teeth acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion.

plogo posted:

Pure speculation and coming from a China bear in the first place, but Jim Chanos (famed short seller) is speculating China could retaliate by messing with Sheldon Adelson's Macau business.

https://twitter.com/WallStCynic/status/1070467598704394241

That would be AWESOME. Not only does Sheldon help white-nationalists get elected, he's blocked anything that would impact his casino business (like online poker).

I'd love to see that happen.

Skex
Feb 22, 2012
Probation
Can't post for 22 minutes!

VitalSigns posted:

So the plan is what, keep bombing the Middle East until they run completely out of people, because that's the only way you're reducing the number of terrorists by blowing up weddings and cafes.

E: Also do you notice that your argument is essentially "yeah ok they have valid reasons for attacking us, let's give them 1,000 reasons more"

The reason they use drones now is that they are more precise than the previous options. The use of drones has likely reduced the number of casualties because they can be used with more precision than other options. Now it's all easy for us to sit on our high moral horse when we aren't having to make these decisions but it's the height of naivete to think that these decisions don't need to be made. Are there better options that would be more effective in dealing with threats of those who want to cause us harm? Yeah probably but in case you haven't noticed the American people don't exactly agree on much. If Obama had stopped the use of drones or had done any of the things that probably would have been more effective, it's very likely that he'd have only gotten one term and we'd have been stuck in whatever hell hole Romney's more competent evil would have wrought with his more competent and less blatantly obvious evil.

People like to talk about how Carter was this horrible President, do you know why? It wasn't because he was lovely on any of the things the majority of posters itt care about. It was because he was seen as weak on defense. Because he was dealing with OPEC's bullshit causing fuel shortages and the Iranian revolution and the taking of the hostages and capped off with the failed rescue attempt.

If Obama had shown the kind of restraint that you'd have preferred when it came to use of force he would have faced those same "weak on defense" attacks, hell he still faced them constantly and yet you are all pissed at him.

Oh and it's never been about giving them more reasons to attack. it's always about disrupting their ability to attack us by decapitating their command structure and undermining their ability to operate and organize. The people who were being targeted were already wanting to attack us, they weren't targeting random people, they were targeting known agitators and leaders who were very much encouraging and organizing people to attack inside the United States. What would you have him ignore them, like W did in the lead up to 911? So we end up with another major foreign launched terror attack on American soil? Do you really think that a few targeted drone strikes would have been sufficient to sate the American public's thirst for blood after another 911 type attack? We already had two forever wars did you really want another? Because that's what that sort of thing would have resulted in.

And even if you don't agree with what I'm writing, the basic fact is that most people do, particularly the people advising him on the issue and given that Obama isn't an expert on the military and counter terrorism he would obviously be giving more weight to their advice, you know the actual experienced professional. You may disagree with their advise, but for him to ignore it would have been a dangerous proposition both politically and from a national security perspective. Basically akin to saying that we should take the word of random chuds on the internet about climate change rather than you know climate scientists.

Skex fucked around with this message at 01:45 on Dec 6, 2018

Jaxyon
Mar 7, 2016
I’m just saying I would like to see a man beat a woman in a cage. Just to be sure.

I like how "not do extrajudicial assassinations" is not even an option here, just what's the best way to kill people who might be bad guys.

And if it hits the stray wedding or funeral? Well that's the price of Freedom!

Like, do you realize that this poo poo is WHY we have "terrorists attacks", right?

We could spend the equivalent money on aid and get better results.

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

Skex posted:

The reason they use drones now is that they are more precise than the previous options. The use of drones has likely reduced the number of casualties because they can be used with more precision than other options. Now it's all easy for us to sit on our high moral horse when we aren't having to make these decisions but it's the height of naivete to think that these decisions don't need to be made. Are there better options that would be more effective in dealing with threats of those who want to cause us harm? Yeah probably but in case you haven't noticed the American people don't exactly agree on much. If Obama had stopped the use of drones or had done any of the things that probably would have been more effective, it's very likely that he'd have only gotten one term and we'd have been stuck in whatever hell hole Romney's more competent evil would have wrought with his more competent and less blatantly obvious evil.

People like to talk about how Carter was this horrible President, do you know why? It wasn't because he was lovely on any of the things the majority of posters itt care about. It was because he was seen as weak on defense. Because he lost the hostages, he was dealing with OPEC's bullshit causing fuel shortages and the Iranian revolution and the taking of the hostages.

If Obama had shown the kind of restraint that you'd have preferred when it came to use of force he would have faced those same "weak on defense" attacks, hell he still faced them constantly and yet you are all pissed at him.

Oh and it's never been about giving them more reasons to attack. it's always about disrupting their ability to attack us by decapitating their command structure and undermining their ability to operate and organize. The people who were being targeted were already wanting to attack us, they weren't targeting random people, they were targeting known agitators and leaders who were very much encouraging and organizing people to attack inside the United States. What would you have him ignore them, like W did in the lead up to 911? So we end up with another major foreign launched terror attack on American soil? Do you really think that a few targeted drone strikes would have been sufficient to sate the American public's thirst for blood after another 911 type attack? We already had two forever wars did you really want another? Because that's what that sort of thing would have resulted in.

And even if you don't agree with what I'm writing, the basic fact is that most people do, particularly the people advising him on the issue and given that Obama isn't an expert on the military and counter terrorism he would obviously be giving more weight to their advice, you know the actual experienced professional. You may disagree with their advise, but for him to ignore it would have been a dangerous proposition both politically and from a national security perspective. Basically akin to saying that we should take the word of random chuds on the internet about climate change rather than you know climate scientists.

Why don't we drone bomb you isntead

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Medium Chungus
Feb 19, 2012

RBA Starblade posted:

Good job Donald

Make Coal Not Commercially Viable Again is a platform I'd unironically support but not in the most rear end way possible lol.

Unoriginal Name
Aug 1, 2006

by sebmojo

Skex posted:

The reason they use drones now is that they are more precise than the previous options. The use of drones has likely reduced the number of casualties because they can be used with more precision than other options. Now it's all easy for us to sit on our high moral horse when we aren't having to make these decisions but it's the height of naivete to think that these decisions don't need to be made. Are there better options that would be more effective in dealing with threats of those who want to cause us harm? Yeah probably but in case you haven't noticed the American people don't exactly agree on much. If Obama had stopped the use of drones or had done any of the things that probably would have been more effective, it's very likely that he'd have only gotten one term and we'd have been stuck in whatever hell hole Romney's more competent evil would have wrought with his more competent and less blatantly obvious evil.

People like to talk about how Carter was this horrible President, do you know why? It wasn't because he was lovely on any of the things the majority of posters itt care about. It was because he was seen as weak on defense. Because he was dealing with OPEC's bullshit causing fuel shortages and the Iranian revolution and the taking of the hostages and capped off with the failed rescue attempt.

If Obama had shown the kind of restraint that you'd have preferred when it came to use of force he would have faced those same "weak on defense" attacks, hell he still faced them constantly and yet you are all pissed at him.

Oh and it's never been about giving them more reasons to attack. it's always about disrupting their ability to attack us by decapitating their command structure and undermining their ability to operate and organize. The people who were being targeted were already wanting to attack us, they weren't targeting random people, they were targeting known agitators and leaders who were very much encouraging and organizing people to attack inside the United States. What would you have him ignore them, like W did in the lead up to 911? So we end up with another major foreign launched terror attack on American soil? Do you really think that a few targeted drone strikes would have been sufficient to sate the American public's thirst for blood after another 911 type attack? We already had two forever wars did you really want another? Because that's what that sort of thing would have resulted in.

And even if you don't agree with what I'm writing, the basic fact is that most people do, particularly the people advising him on the issue and given that Obama isn't an expert on the military and counter terrorism he would obviously be giving more weight to their advice, you know the actual experienced professional. You may disagree with their advise, but for him to ignore it would have been a dangerous proposition both politically and from a national security perspective. Basically akin to saying that we should take the word of random chuds on the internet about climate change rather than you know climate scientists.

"But w-w-what about the terrorists"

strong on defense lmao

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

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Phi230 posted:

Why don't we drone bomb you isntead

Don't do this.

Spun Dog
Sep 21, 2004


Smellrose
We should lock Skex and Kale in a thread and see if they can hit the character limit.

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Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

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Skex posted:

Oh and it's never been about giving them more reasons to attack. it's always about disrupting their ability to attack us by decapitating their command structure and undermining their ability to operate and organize. The people who were being targeted were already wanting to attack us, they weren't targeting random people, they were targeting known agitators and leaders who were very much encouraging and organizing people to attack inside the United States. What would you have him ignore them, like W did in the lead up to 911? So we end up with another major foreign launched terror attack on American soil? Do you really think that a few targeted drone strikes would have been sufficient to sate the American public's thirst for blood after another 911 type attack? We already had two forever wars did you really want another? Because that's what that sort of thing would have resulted in.

Skex is Tulsi Gabbard lol.

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