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Ideology is the most important thing about any candidate for any office, with authenticity being a close second. AOC probably places in the top five for ideology in the House, if not the winner, and while we haven't had much of a chance to gauge her authenticity yet, all indications are she's going to be pretty solid on that front as well. If you're "well actually"ing about experience or whatever else given the current state of things and what "experience" has actually gotten us then gently caress completely off. Get this woman in the White House the instant she's Constitutionally eligible, or sooner if we can get away with it.
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William Pitt was prime minister at 24. I tend to think aoc could benefit from more experience, but there are plenty of historical counter examples of young people doing well in politics.
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Dec 6, 2018 20:21
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twice burned ice posted:I certainly can see how removing gendered words and instead using gender-neutral terms is useful. Now do comedian/comedienne and aviator/aviatrix E: No, do waiter/waitroon, "it gives us more information what's the problem?!"
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Electric Bugaloo posted:To add to what everybody else has been saying, it’s increased because these people are constantly being told by the media, their echo chambers, and actual politicians that they are actively embroiled in a culture war against a deep state-affiliated Left/brown/Muslim horde that has broken hot now that Trump is trying to MAGA. It’s the same reason why domestic terrorists are going after media offices and shooting up synagogues at the behest of psychotic conspiracy threads. I also am pretty sure this is, in part, being pushed by foreign actors. Since before Trump got elected there was a lot of speculation that states like Russia were instigating militias like the 3% and were even trying to see how far they could get them to go. When the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge Occupation happened there was some theories that, on top of the usual right wing idiots being idiots, that they had been backed by Russians.
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If someone as inexperienced as Trump can make it through 4 years of a presidency, AOC will be fine It's funny how our obsession with experience is heightened when it comes to female politicians and POC How about let AOC show what she can do instead of revealing how you pretty clearly think those who do serving work are of a lower social class that needs to have their hands held for them, despite the fact that actually THEY are actually the ones holding your dumb spoiled hand and are just good enough at their jobs you didn't realize it.
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Two Top Conservative Judges Offer Plan to End Discovery for Most Litigantsquote:Thomas Hardiman, a judge on the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, made what should have been viewed as a shocking declaration for a federal judge. Hardiman told the crowd at the 2018 Federalist Society Convention: “If I were able to do something unilaterally, I would probably institute a new federal rule that said that all cases worth less than $500,000 will be tried without any discovery.” The audience applauded. A fellow panelist, Judge Amul Thapar of the 6th Circuit, chimed in, “Can I say amen?” Thapar later repeated his endorsement of the idea. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/12/federalist-society-meeting-cap-discovery-claims.html
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WoodrowSkillson posted:yes, so explain how she already has the knowledge and judgement to correctly discern shucksters from valued advisors in the biggest den of snakes on the planet when does not even know how reps are onboarded yet. Equating ‘Able to pick out a con artist’ and ‘has insider knowledge on something she has previously not had access to’ is pretty disingenuous. She seems pretty capable at sizing people up so far.
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I’m intensely interested in seeing the general reaction to the first time AOC does something to disappoint people.
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Marlows posted:
She's un-apologetically spoken up about the right issues (and people are listening) and she's also not an old white dude. Just because of this she has already done more for me than pretty much any other politician. Though I will get more excited for her as a potential president when that potential passes more into the realm of possibility.
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Crow Jane posted:Most places go with "server"  Duh. That makes sense. VitalSigns posted:Now do comedian/comedienne and aviator/aviatrix You're telling me aviatrix is a word and we're going to get rid of it before I've even had an opportunity to use it? I should have expected that vital signs wouldn't be able to pass up an opportunity to condescend and feel smug, even as someone is making a good-faith effort to use language more responsibly. twice burned ice fucked around with this message at 20:27 on Dec 6, 2018 |
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AOC is great. She also cannot be president at this point it time. Some of y'all are broke brained and throwing ice cubes at the sun. Have some dip and hail Satan.
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pookel posted:If we are going to talk about getting a woman of color from a working class background into the White House, can we at least look at Stacey Abrams too? She's already old enough, she has a law degree, she has a ton of public policy experience, & she's been an activist since she was in high school. I’d vote for her in a heartbeat again.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I’m intensely interested in seeing the general reaction to the first time AOC does something to disappoint people. that already happened when she walked back her remarks calling israel firing on civilians a massacre.
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Critical posted:AOC is great. She also cannot be president at this point it time. Some of y'all are broke brained and throwing ice cubes at the sun. Have some dip and hail Satan. 
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Dec 6, 2018 20:25
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Marlows posted:You might want to look in the mirror. Its incredibly gross to reduce AOC to: is "killer" at "looking good for the camera." I think for me at least, the "she hasn't done anything yet" reads more like, "she hasn't fulfilled enough time doing things we typically associate with presidents" and I couldn't give less of a poo poo about the latter.
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VitalSigns posted:aviator/aviatrix to be fair, this is the one cool-sounding declension, ie the executrix of an estate
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eke out posted:i don't think this makes a lot of sense given that the AG doesn't really affect high-level political pardons in any way, apart from being someone the president might consult It’s Bondi but if we want to start butchering her name like Tammy Loren I’m real excited to do that.
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I love AOC, but as an activist I have met so many incredible individuals who I think are just as smart, charismatic, and eloquent as AOC, and I think who would make outstanding political figures. This isn't a knock on AOC. It's more about how frustrating it is that the system rarely allows people like AOC to have positions of power.
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skylined! posted:It’s Bondi but if we want to start butchering her name like Tammy Loren I’m real excited to do that. that was a typo but i will never apologize to Bam Pondi
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KickerOfMice posted:Red Hot Chili Peppers vs. Trump administration The song "Give it Away" is communist propaganda that rails against the idea of private property or the accumulation of wealth. It is anti-aspirational.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I’m intensely interested in seeing the general reaction to the first time AOC does something to disappoint people. She got dragged for the Israel massacre comment retreat and her Mccain twitter response, I don't think lefties are afraid to yell at their politicians.
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Dec 6, 2018 20:30
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I’m intensely interested in seeing the general reaction to the first time AOC does something to disappoint people. She disappoints me not knowing how our government works!!!
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she was also wrong on the pentagon waste thing.
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eke out posted:to be fair, this is the one cool-sounding declension, ie the executrix of an estate I actually agree, we should pick the feminine as the nongendered noun in these cases. Senatrix Bernard Sanders
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Brony Car posted:The song "Give it Away" is communist propaganda that rails against the idea of private property or the accumulation of wealth. It is anti-aspirational. Yet Flea strides upon the ruins, wallowing in a sad but kickass lament.
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AOC will disappoint you all, because your standards are perfection, and perfection is defined as being a Marxist revolutionary.
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Groovelord Neato posted:she was also wrong on the pentagon waste thing. yeah, but for the most parts its been minor slip ups and getting raked over the coals for saying something slightly wrong. she'll get way better as time goes on, especially now that she can fully devote herself to governing and becoming an expert on these topics.
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Groovelord Neato posted:Two Top Conservative Judges Offer Plan to End Discovery for Most Litigants This is a dumb article written about some dumb comment by a judge that would never happen and wasn't even seriously endorsed by the crowd (if you watch the video there's almost no reaction, and people only laugh at the amen comment) but its pretty funny that slate brings up three high profile criminal trials when talking about discovery in civil cases
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:Okay, well it's now becoming clear that people ITT don't have a solid sense of what being President actually involves, so I guess I understand why you might see her as qualified to be President on those terms. if only she was a WASP
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Groovelord Neato posted:she was also wrong on the pentagon waste thing. That Nation article was fairly confusing though so it's understandable how she came to that conclusion. Many activist friends I know who are whip-smart reached a similar conclusion. What's important though is that she acknowledges she made a mistake.
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BarbarianElephant posted:AOC will disappoint you all, because your standards are perfection, and perfection is defined as being a Marxist revolutionary. You keep politicians in line by getting disappointed and angry when they do something bad, this is how it works, not just be happy with what you get and demonstrate no critical faculty.
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TulliusCicero posted:Instead of playing this totally cool "gotcha" game with the whole thread, why don't you tell us what makes someone qualified to be President? You clearly are far more knowledgeable on the subject than us KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:Hmm, perhaps it's some combination of having the right morals, institutional knowledge, preexisting legislative relationships, executive experience, management, negotiation, and relationship building skills? Nah gently caress it, let's hand the nuclear codes and the Situation Room chair to whomever puts out the wokest tweets.
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Groovelord Neato posted:Two Top Conservative Judges Offer Plan to End Discovery for Most Litigants Yeah but have you considered that it doesn't matter who wins elections because democrats are bad and anything less than making AOC president tomorrow is a worthless bow to  Who needs discovery tools in small-dollar cases anyway? That black lady who just got fired because of her west-African accent can just find a new job. I'm the best loving leftist.
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twice burned ice posted:You're telling me aviatrix is a word and we're going to get rid of it before I've even had an opportunity to use it? I'm not intending to condescend, I was just somewhat jocularly pointing out that you already have dropped female endings for a bunch of formerly gendered occupational names in your everyday speech, so isn't it a bit weird that one more is somehow an affront to the language? If you don't go out of your way to pick a noun form to specify whether a stand-up comic has a vagina maybe it's not that important to make sure your waiter's sexual organs are specifically implied?
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EwokEntourage posted:This is a dumb article written about some dumb comment by a judge that would never happen and wasn't even seriously endorsed by the crowd (if you watch the video there's almost no reaction, and people only laugh at the amen comment) but its pretty funny that slate brings up three high profile criminal trials when talking about discovery in civil cases ok. BarbarianElephant posted:AOC will disappoint you all, because your standards are perfection, and perfection is defined as being a Marxist revolutionary. aoc seems to be further left than i am so nah.
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Another Butina update (again, cool if someone could explain) https://twitter.com/ZoeTillman/status/1070761650163204097
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BarbarianElephant posted:AOC will disappoint you all, because your standards are perfection, and perfection is defined as being a Marxist revolutionary. Oh okay I guess I'll support Trump then since there's no reason to ask for better, apparently
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I've never been terribly interested in flying planes, but I kinda want to be able to call myself an aviatrix
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I don't know how you look at our Congress full of dumbfucks, our idiot president, the SCOTUS full of dinorsaurs making ludicrous judicial judgements based on talking to ghosts or fictional TV characters when they aren't just drunken, rapist, gambling addicts and think yeah the age thing is really working out great as a gatekeeping mechanism. Frankly "experience" is a detriment since as it stands our system is designed so that political experience is easier for rich, connected people to aquire and those people are fundementally unable to understand any issue that affects the majority of the country. Just look at what AOC posted today where the work experience she was gaining was just propoganda from CEOs and Wall Street guys.
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tbh aviatrix sounds way cooler than aviator and we should move to that as the default word because than we can talk about "aviatrices" as the collective and that would own too
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