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Ezreal is really good btw with Grasp. I've had very solid results with the 5-6 games I've played with it.
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its curtains for Kevin posted:Ezreal is really good btw with Grasp. I've had very solid results with the 5-6 games I've played with it. This sounds like frozen fist ez: cowardly boring garbo
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That’s cool and all but even in low diamond there’s no room for ‘cool playstyles’. Play what’s strong or lose more games than you need to. I was playing a bunch of Karthus last patch.
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Dec 6, 2018 20:30
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my shop usually sucks but this one is super good! 
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Dec 6, 2018 20:47
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rabidsquid posted:my shop usually sucks but this one is super good! Other than Heimer and Karthus, I have no idea who those are.
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Dec 6, 2018 21:27
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its curtains for Kevin posted:Ezreal is really good btw with Grasp. I've had very solid results with the 5-6 games I've played with it. Isn't Klepto still superior? I've seen tons of Ez players racking up 1300g+ on it every game and it seems like a BF sword worth of gold from a Mastery would be strong.
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Dec 6, 2018 21:33
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pog boyfriend posted:rammus is in the same genre of champion as old janna, characters that at no point were ever anything but good but are considered boring so people never actually think about them Out of curiosity, what was old Janna? Think she's been the same since I played.
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101 posted:Out of curiosity, what was old Janna? Think she's been the same since I played. she got hit with a nerf which for a brief period made her considered an average(sometimes even below average!) pick instead of good, but i think she bounced back now to slightly above average.
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Dec 7, 2018 00:17
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It was a mini-rework. She got added range, damage, and more power in laning phase but E cooldown got doubled early on and the shield doesn’t last as long.
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Dec 7, 2018 00:29
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The hardest part of Neeko support for me is the cast range on her Q; aiming the middle of it on enemies makes me waddle way too close and get blown up. She definitely works mid...
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Dec 7, 2018 00:43
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Currently I think shes a better solo laner. Her base damage is Meh and her ratios are godlike. Plus from mid she can roam easier.
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she definitely seems intended as a midlaner but that hasn't stopped people from playing lux or xerath or zoe in support so do whatever you want
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Dec 7, 2018 01:32
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TastyLemonDrops posted:Other than Heimer and Karthus, I have no idea who those are. irelia, swain, kaisa and brand
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TastyLemonDrops posted:Other than Heimer and Karthus, I have no idea who those are. In order: Nightblade Irelia, Dragon Master Swain (which is dope ftr), Bullet Angel Kai'sa, Battle Boss (aka Arcade) Brand
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yeah those irelia and swain skins are good
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anyone here trying neeko top? how is it?
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having her waveclear i can imagine it is decent at worst??
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master yi with deaths dance sure is something.
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Slaapaav posted:master yi with deaths dance sure is something. when are you buying it? and are you running ravenous still? also i got a penta on yi this week and it felt good
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Dec 7, 2018 09:25
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I've run into Yi on my Rammus run, they seem very confused when they Q and I don't die and then they can't run away and then they die.
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its like after jungle item and rageblade. i only played against it and it was just insane how hard he was to kill
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Dec 7, 2018 09:35
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execs calling is a strong item
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eighty-four merc posted:execs calling is a strong item Ya 800g to essentially neuter healing is p good. Just thinking bout that, i feel like grevious wounds is a bit of a bandaid (no pun intended) as a counter to healing. Buy this item, attack someone. Or the briar vest thingy - buy it, get attacked to trigger it. There must be a more elegant solution
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Dec 7, 2018 11:16
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Dota style: make it an active. Blademail there had 200% return damage last I was aware (but only for a short period). Suddenly there's counter-play.
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Dec 7, 2018 11:54
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el dingo posted:Ya 800g to essentially neuter healing is p good. That's why you use summoner skills. F is for Fire.
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“f is for flash!” sophisticated adult, trendy but not going out of their way to do it... exudes a natural sprezzatura and confidence that makes them respected in their community. realizes they take flash on almost all characters and makes a logical choice. “f is for fire” easily a serial killer mindset, a phrase that will be used in some form of criminal trial later on as it can only come from a disturbed mind or perhaps a shaco main “d is for dash!” this kid got a dreamcast when everyone else had gamecube, xbox, and playstation 2 and has internalized the mentality of trying to get people to believe alternative bullshit like hey guys who wants to come over and play seamen. Nobody
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pog boyfriend posted:a disturbed mind or perhaps a shaco main
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el dingo posted:Ya 800g to essentially neuter healing is p good. Yeah see this has long been my opinion of Grievous Wounds, it's actually not a great method for countering healing because either you need it because the healing is too strong, or you don't and get it which leaves any incendental healing or healing based survivability on the other persons kit to become useless.
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Lord_Magmar posted:Yeah see this has long been my opinion of Grievous Wounds, it's actually not a great method for countering healing because either you need it because the healing is too strong, or you don't and get it which leaves any incendental healing or healing based survivability on the other persons kit to become useless. the counter to passive healing should be passive anti healing, unless you want riot to tip in favour of sustain. since riot is opposed to extreme sustain, grievous wounds is an elegant solution given the design space E: and no, grievous wounds being 800 gold compared to like a 3000 gold item is not a problem either. someone buying a bloodthirster is effective against everyone except the grievous wounder, the grievous wounds guy is only effective against the bloodthirsty. it seems like a bandaid solution but as long as healing is passive it really is the best solution pog boyfriend fucked around with this message at 14:56 on Dec 7, 2018 |
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Except the answer to powerful sustain should really just be Riot nerfing that sustain, as it is Grievous Wounds is awkward and makes certain characters feel awful to play because of how hard it nullifies basic parts of their kit design.
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Lord_Magmar posted:Except the answer to powerful sustain should really just be Riot nerfing that sustain, as it is Grievous Wounds is awkward and makes certain characters feel awful to play because of how hard it nullifies basic parts of their kit design. this is a hard point to address but ultimately comes down to the fact that items are cool and people want to build them. the idea of riot nerfing all sustain is impossible, auto attackers will always build sustain(and so will guys like mundo and vlad to reinforce their existing sustain), and there needs to be an item to deal with it. grievous wounds on items is the solution - forcing players to use a flex slot to counter a powerful mechanic is a reasonable trade off and is not bad design. if riot wanted to make sustain items poo poo and sustain only an option on a select few champions, they would have done so years ago. there is clearly a basis to wanting people to build strong sustain items, and as long as that is a major part of itemization, morellos/exec calling will always be the most elegant solution. an item for an item. note that sustain still works outside of pvp, whereas caster minions do not have lifesteal. if you survive a fight, you can sustain back up. this is why grievous wounds on exec calling is an elegant solution, it evens the odds in a fight, but the sustain user is still more powerful in every other situation. morellos is a problem due to being just generally good but that comes more down to ap itemization than any sort of grievous wounds issue
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At least Morello's is no longer 90% of AP users' one stop shop for AP and mana regen and CDR and I guess Greivous Wounds if you're into that. I feel like the problem with it now is at least easier to fine tune - Oblivion Orb gives you enough flat pen to nullify the basic MR of anyone who isnt already buying into it. You could probably trim some of the MPen off Oblivion Orb/Morellos and it might work out better. Of course that being said Oblivion Orb is basically the only flat MPen item, but that ties into what Pog said in the first place re: AP itemization being a wasteland.
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I want Grievous wounds not to work on Mundo. That is my simple request. just make him immune to it as a passive or something.
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Zodiac5000 posted:I want Grievous wounds not to work on Mundo. That is my simple request. just make him immune to it as a passive or something. grievous wounds countering mundo is bad design because a passive item answers an active question. this is a reasonable proposal.
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The problem then becomes the fact that Spirit Visage Mundo becomes unstoppable and unkillable in any instances where his ult is up, and he's already reasonably hard to punch through right now.
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Monathin posted:The problem then becomes the fact that Spirit Visage Mundo becomes unstoppable and unkillable in any instances where his ult is up, and he's already reasonably hard to punch through right now. They are allowed to nerf his ult if they removed Grevious Wounds. In matter of fact, part of the reason he was so op for a while is that they buffed his ult to the point that with grevious wounds applied it gave him just as much healing as it had without grevious wounds before the buff.
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Monathin posted:The problem then becomes the fact that Spirit Visage Mundo becomes unstoppable and unkillable in any instances where his ult is up, and he's already reasonably hard to punch through right now. right, i am not saying i agree, just that is reasonable. for interactions, picture a friendly conversation between champions. active vs active mundo: vayne, say i were to throw my cleaver at you. what would you do? vayne: hm, i guess i would use my tumble to avoid it. mundo: aha! but your tumble uses mana, but my cleavers do not .... and so the conversation continues. passive vs active master yi: caitlyn, you fool, i can outrun you with my six zeal build. how do you respond? caitlyn: with my ghost blade active, of course. master yi: but suppose i used a plant to jump the wall... and so the conversation continues. passive vs passive vayne: aha, quinn, with my superior lifesteal as we were battling i was gaining life the whole time. quinn: oh vayne, you simple bitch, my executioners calling put a stop to that. since no question was forceful and it was just an aside, the conversation continued. but active vs passive mundo: i activate my ult to heal during the exchange. vayne: actually, due to my executioners calling this is irrelevant. notice how here that the question did not even need to be asked. this active question was rendered irrelevant because vayne, without doing anything, prevented the active question from coming into play. this lowers the quality of champion interactions dramatically.
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as a Mundo main, there's nothing more depressing than when someone on the other team figures put they can buy executioners calling. At my trash elo, like 80% of my opponents don't even know it exists.
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eighty-four merc posted:when are you buying it? and are you running ravenous still? IWillDominate put out a good jungle yi video yesterday. He went Redsmite attspd item, rageblade into DD. Was a good watch.
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