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Your Taint posted:Here's the newest Trump crony. This is the real reason Trump was on his best behavior at the funeral. Didn't want to upset someone loyal to Bush so early.
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If Democrats make Joe Manchin head of climate change policy they might as well announce that there's no point in participating in the 2020 elections because neither party is the slightest bit interested in doing anything about global warming lol.
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Barr is a Uranium 1 truther, so he isn't any better than the guy selling monster toilets for your magnum dong.
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Dec 6, 2018 22:55
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Dec 6, 2018 22:56
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I think folks consistently underestimate just how fast the entire right-wing media machine will turn on Trump the second he loses power.
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Dec 6, 2018 22:57
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Lightning Knight posted:If Democrats make Joe Manchin head of climate change policy they might as well announce that there's no point in participating in the 2020 elections because neither party is the slightest bit interested in doing anything about global warming lol. Yes, the classic 'I don't like what Democrats are doing, so I'm just going to pout and refuse to vote at all' Come the gently caress on how can you post incessantly about how crappy the Dems are then when Dems are shown to be crappy, throw your hands in the air and go 'welp there's no point in voting!" Go vote them out! Your vote may not be particularly important, but it accomplishes infinitely more than posting 'dems bad' on the internet.
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Dec 6, 2018 22:58
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Lightning Knight posted:lol if he was scared of the antifa protestors I bet he's gonna have a great time with the Trump supporters. They're fine with it because they agree with it. Trump bootlickers are allowed to criticize him for not being enough of a white supremacist, because the white supremacy is what motivates them.
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Dec 6, 2018 23:00
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Z. Autobahn posted:I think folks consistently underestimate just how fast the entire right-wing media machine will turn on Trump the second he loses power. They'll all gleefully wash their hands and claim Trump wasn't Real Republican while continuing to support the monsters that want to do all the evil poo poo, but know how to keep quiet about how evil they are
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Dec 6, 2018 23:00
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twice burned ice posted:Yes, the classic 'I don't like what Democrats are doing, so I'm just going to pout and refuse to vote at all' Because we have roughly five to ten years to reach the best case scenario for climate change at this point, electoralism isn't going to solve the problem fast enough at this point. I also do vote and volunteer so honestly gently caress you, I'm going to complain because the Democrats are being poo poo.
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Dec 6, 2018 23:00
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Lightning Knight posted:Because we have roughly five to ten years to reach the best case scenario for climate change at this point, electoralism isn't going to solve the problem fast enough at this point. You just implied that you're not going to vote in 2020 if Democrats do something that you don't like. gently caress you for implying that not voting is a legitimate option. You don't get to complain about the government for four years and then turn around and throw away your opportunity to actually voice those opinions. Compaining is fine. Arguing that voting is pointless is loving stupid and makes you the worst kind of political commentator. It's imbecilic to say 'both sides are the same, so I'm not going to vote'
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Dec 6, 2018 23:05
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Got some more info on where this bipartisan freshman orientation came from https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-06/gary-cohn-s-private-comments-blasted-by-freshman-house-democrat quote:Rashida Tlaib, a Michigan Democrat who is among a group of progressives elected on Nov. 6, blasted Cohn for comments she said he made in a closed-door meeting for new lawmakers from both parties that was hosted by Harvard University’s Institute of Politics in Cambridge, Massachusetts. More info on that Harvard Institute https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...6e4ebd94a67?sts quote:Every two years, the Harvard Kennedy School’s Institute for Politics hosts an officially nonpartisan orientation for new members of Congress that in practice evangelizes a Washington-specific brand of corporate-friendly conservatism. .... And here's the actual press release from the Harvard Institute https://iop.harvard.edu/about/newsletter-press-release/newly-elected-members-congress-invited-harvard-kennedy-school%E2%80%99s And here's the list of speakers quote:Hon. Elaine Chao, U.S. Secretary of Transportation, former Secretary of Labor and Director of the Peace Corps
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Dec 6, 2018 23:05
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Manchin not only voted for Pruitt, he continued to support Pruitt throughout his insane litany of scandals because "his policies have been good for West Virginia."
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Dec 6, 2018 23:06
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twice burned ice posted:You just implied that you're not going to vote in 2020 if Democrats do something that you don't like. If the Democratic Party is not going to be serious about climate change then yes, voting is actually pointless. It won't make a difference who we vote for if the outcome is not "deal with climate change, right now." It's that simple. That is the state of the world thanks to our carbon emission output. Them signalling that they want to put Joe loving Manchin anywhere near climate change policy is them announcing that they don't give a gently caress about climate change.
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Dec 6, 2018 23:07
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I should call my senators and tell them I want somebody who wants strong climate action on the committee even if it's symbolic. My senators are the senator from Boeing and the senator from amazon though so they probably won't care
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The Senate Democrats are a goddamn disaster. Is there a single decent one?cheetah7071 posted:I should call my senators and tell them I want somebody who wants strong climate action on the committee even if it's symbolic. My senators are the senator from Boeing and the senator from amazon though so they probably won't care Hello fellow Virginian. I called Warner regarding the CIA torturer for all the fat good it did. They don't give the slightest poo poo what we think as long as they are running against KKK members in the general and no one in the primary.
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Radish posted:The Senate Democrats are a goddamn disaster. Is there a single decent one? Washington actually
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Dec 6, 2018 23:12
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twice burned ice posted:You just implied that you're not going to vote in 2020 if Democrats do something that you don't like. There are people who are coming to the conclusion that simply voting harder isn't going to fix the institutional and ecological clusterfuck of the world. Voting, while important and good, is not the end-all, be-all of political participation. And it isn't harmful to have good faith doubts and criticisms of the Democrats or any elected official.
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cheetah7071 posted:Washington actually Weird how those descriptions seem fairly ubiquitous these days.
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Lightning Knight posted:If the Democratic Party is not going to be serious about climate change then yes, voting is actually pointless. It won't make a difference who we vote for if the outcome is not "deal with climate change, right now." It's that simple. That is the state of the world thanks to our carbon emission output. Them signalling that they want to put Joe loving Manchin anywhere near climate change policy is them announcing that they don't give a gently caress about climate change. I was hoping it was just like 1 or 2 of the most-senior people that were going along with this but no, it kind of is all of the D senators, save for one anonymous detractor who said "we should give him a chance anyway" I guess the best we can hope for is for it to not matter in the short-term while the (hopeful) new select committee in the House drafts some good legislation. Then somehow Manchin's committee gets bypassed or something?
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Lightning Knight posted:If the Democratic Party is not going to be serious about climate change then yes, voting is actually pointless. It won't make a difference who we vote for if the outcome is not "deal with climate change, right now." It's that simple. That is the state of the world thanks to our carbon emission output. Them signalling that they want to put Joe loving Manchin anywhere near climate change policy is them announcing that they don't give a gently caress about climate change. I have a lot of strong negative feelings about the idea of not voting, but somehow these people need to feel their power threatened. I don’t know how to do that.
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If the Senate is unwilling to violate seniority for committee ever then I think we have our answer for whether Manchin is better than generic republican replacement
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Eeyo posted:I was hoping it was just like 1 or 2 of the most-senior people that were going along with this but no, it kind of is all of the D senators, save for one anonymous detractor who said "we should give him a chance anyway" I keep adjusting my expectations downward hoping that I will find a point where they can't disappoint me anymore and somehow they keep managing to top themselves. Jealous Cow posted:I have a lot of strong negative feelings about the idea of not voting, but somehow these people need to feel their power threatened. I don’t know how to do that.  I'm going to become a dues paying member of the DSA once I'm not broke anymore, assuming the economy doesn't crash before then and I'm not hosed. But the DSA is still mostly focused on electoralism.
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I wonder how she came to this bizarre conclusion... She's married to Joe Kraft, President and CEO of Alliance Resource Partners, the third-largest coal producer in the eastern United States.
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twice burned ice posted:You just implied that you're not going to vote in 2020 if Democrats do something that you don't like. Voting is something rich people have the privilege of doing and gently caress you for advocating for an undemocratic and elitist form of governance
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I’m intensely interested in seeing the general reaction to the first time AOC does something to disappoint people. this already happened before we still love her
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Jealous Cow posted:I have a lot of strong negative feelings about the idea of not voting, but somehow these people need to feel their power threatened. I don’t know how to do that. Screaming at them in restaurants and public places is a good start.
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twice burned ice posted:You just implied that you're not going to vote in 2020 if Democrats do something that you don't like. I no longer scold my  low info friends for not voting. In fact I sometimes admit that maybe they’re right, especially friends in Manchin-producing states.
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Democrats loving blow for acting like the 'clean coal' fan from WV is a legitimate option to head a committee on climate change. But literally the only way to prevent it, within the current system, is to vote out Democrats who don't take climate change seriously. Unless you're going to skip voting to go do some ecoterrorism, not voting to oust the democrats who don't take climate change seriously serves only to empower the very people you're pissed at. I just cannot, cannot, cannot wrap my head around going 'this has made me so mad that I'm gonna refuse to vote!' Phi230 posted:Voting is something rich people have the privilege of doing and gently caress you for advocating for an undemocratic and elitist form of governance  This is some top-shelf dumbassery, even for you, phi
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Carlson is a white nationalist and Trump hasn't quite ushered in a white ethnostate yet, so of course Tucker's disappointed. <-- lol hit a little too close to home, did I Shimrra?
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twice burned ice posted:Democrats loving blow for acting like the 'clean coal' fan from WV is a legitimate option to head a committee on climate change. So what is your strategy to vote out 96% of democrats? Who have the money and power and infrastructure to keep winning? Voting will not save you and in fact people like you who demand you vote and do literally nothing else are gonna get us all killed
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:This is Fox sanctioned testing of waters Do you think Fox is dipping their toe in the water in anticipation of possibly cutting him loose?
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Giggy posted:If the Democratic candidate doesn't take climate change seriously, who am I supposed to vote for? Their primary opponent. Phi230 posted:So what is your strategy to vote out 96% of democrats? Who have the money and power and infrastructure to keep winning? Yes, I very specifically said vote and only vote and don't do anything else. Definitely don't join an advocacy group or take personal action. Wait, I didn't say any of that. Good try though!
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twice burned ice posted:Democrats loving blow for acting like the 'clean coal' fan from WV is a legitimate option to head a committee on climate change. manchin's safe for 6 years, and voting hard in 2020 won't stop him being in charge of dealing with climate change what's #votebluenomatterwho going to do to fix climate change when we have a big roadblock named manchin put in there by the dems themselves?
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If that's your attitude LK, you may as well give up on activism anyway. Because if democrats don't win, it is 100% guaranteed that no decent climate policy will be implemented and thus all your campaigning is futile.
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twice burned ice posted:Their primary opponent. What if they lose? Or, what if there isn't a challenger?
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Phi230 posted:So what is your strategy to vote out 96% of democrats? Who have the money and power and infrastructure to keep winning? What do you suggest otherwise?
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Condiv posted:manchin's safe for 6 years, and voting hard in 2020 won't stop him being in charge of dealing with climate change You vote out the Dems who put him there?
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twice burned ice posted:Their primary opponent. So a study came out and showed that democratic governance is completely disconnected from the will of liberal voters how do you suggest that this systemic issue with our democracy be magically fixed overnight? Just vote you say? In the primaries? Oh if its so easy then why hasn't your strategy worked yet?
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