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twice burned ice posted:Poltical action? Not at all. Advocacy and activism will only take you as far as creating the will to change the government. Voting is the only wa to actually effect that change. This is not a complex concept. There's a ton of historical counterexamples to this in the USA, including basically every civil rights advance and successful antiwar movement but sure why not.
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Holy poo poo why did you post a Doctoral thesis dude? Winning internet arguements isn't that important.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Per my programming. Nice. That’s brings to mind something currently going around the dregs of the Internet. 
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it is kinda hard to say "primary them" when they have a machine and money behind them. the fault ultimately lies with manchin and the people enabling him, not the voters. it'd take a miracle to primary someone like schumer despite him being the most useless dem by miles and miles.
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twice burned ice posted:Political expression? Agreed. Howard Zinn posted:
all of the positive change that you benefit from is literally the direct result of activism, not voting. Even your precious democrats had to be forced to support things like the CRA and VRA it was activists that forced the supreme court to rule for LGBT rights
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twice burned ice posted:Political expression? Agreed. You could... gather a group of citizens, storm Congress and demand they pass legislation. Your worship of the system has dulled your imagination.
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Giggy posted:I know you like to blame the 2010 midterms, but Obama's climate policy was milquetoast and they couldn't even agree on poo poo like cap and trade. Hey now, let's be fair here. Obama actually drastically reduced the carbon emissions of all the civilians he killed with drones. Weddings and children that were going to contribute greenhouse gases to the atmosphere were instead turned into atmosphere cooling airborn particulate.
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Rectal Death Adept posted:Hey now, let's be fair here. Obama actually drastically reduced the carbon emissions of all the civilians he killed with drones. Weddings and children that were going to contribute greenhouse gases to the atmosphere were instead turned into atmosphere cooling airborn particulate. Fewer drone strikes on people more drone strikes on cattle.
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Dec 7, 2018 00:20
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Giggy posted:Fewer drone strikes on people more drone strikes on cattle. Wow, what the hell did cows do to you? If we're going to get rid of cows to reduce emissions we should euthanize them humanely. 
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Groovelord Neato posted:it is kinda hard to say "primary them" when they have a machine and money behind them. the fault ultimately lies with manchin and the people enabling him, not the voters. Schumer is worse than useless. Because of his position he is actively bad. Dude is doing way more damage than some worthless seat filler.
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Jesus gently caress, NYT https://twitter.com/nyt_diff/status/1070495270813745152
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thrad is getting kinda dark and want to remind everyone that poltics also exists at state, county, and city levels, like you can try to make good in your local area.
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Lightning Knight posted:It seems quite likely that climate change policy won't happen if Democrats do win so in this context you're probably right, electoral activism may be pointless! "Nothing matters" posting is just as bad when it comes from you
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PhazonLink posted:thrad is getting kinda dark and want to remind everyone that poltics also exists at state, county, and city levels, like you can try to make good in your local area. we're facing an apocalyptic scenario and even the vast majority of the politicians that accept that climate change is occurring and our fault don't seem to grasp the gravity of the situation.
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Lightning Knight posted:Wow, what the hell did cows do to you? If we're going to get rid of cows to reduce emissions we should euthanize them humanely. Look LK, we have 12 years to end climate change and I don't think this kind of identity politics is going to be helpful.
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whatever man even the illusion that youre doing something good before you die in a wave of lava is better than cowering and nazi piece of poo poo.
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Booourns posted:"Nothing matters" posting is just as bad when it comes from you That's only nothing matters posting if you think electoralism is everything
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Booourns posted:"Nothing matters" posting is just as bad when it comes from you What if, and hear me out here because this is crazy, the problem isn't that we're mad the Democrats are doing really lovely things, the problem is that the Democrats are doing really lovely things? I would personally like to live in a world where billions of people don't die or are displaced by global warming and it does not seem like Democrats in office agree. This is Bad. Giggy posted:Look LK, we have 12 years to end climate change and I don't think this kind of identity politics is going to be helpful. Be nice to animals god dammit!  The poor cows didn't ask to be bred into a state where they can't live without human intervention.
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PhazonLink posted:whatever man even the illusion that youre doing something good before you die in a wave of lava is better than cowering and nazi piece of poo poo. And if you can't do something good, at least do something spiteful. Like convince Danny Tarkanian to keep running for office but make sure he never wins over and over again until his wife is in an asylum.
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Lightning Knight posted:Wow, what the hell did cows do to you? If we're going to get rid of cows to reduce emissions we should euthanize them humanely. Nah just have a huge loving BBQ.
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Your Taint posted:Nah just have a huge loving BBQ. Euthanizing the cows humanely does not seem mutually exclusive with having a huge loving BBQ to me. 
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I really do enjoy all the crimes adjacent people and their inability to ever shut up https://twitter.com/ashleyfeinberg/status/1070822971919470592
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Lightning Knight posted:Euthanizing the cows humanely does not seem mutually exclusive with having a huge loving BBQ to me. Fair enough.
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Fewer euthanization of prisoners more euthanization for cows.
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Giggy posted:Fewer euthanization of prisoners more euthanization for cows. Cows are tastier anyway.
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Lightning Knight posted:Wow, what the hell did cows do to you? If we're going to get rid of cows to reduce emissions we should euthanize them humanely. well ...
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euthanize me captain
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Lightning Knight posted:I would personally like to live in a world where billions of people don't die or are displaced by global warming and it does not seem like Democrats in office agree. This is Bad. The US political system is garbage and is skewed heavily towards people who literally want to crop dust the entire ocean with styrofoam peanuts. This isn't really the Democrats fault and Democrats are far more likely to enact better environmental policies.
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Phi230 posted:euthanize me captain Everyone, I give you the Democratic Party's 2020 presidential nominee. Fart Amplifier posted:The US political system is garbage and is skewed heavily towards people who literally want to crop dust the entire ocean with styrofoam peanuts. This isn't really the Democrats fault and Democrats are far more likely to enact better environmental policies. Wait, what do you mean when you say it isn't their fault... Giggy fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Dec 7, 2018 |
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[quote="VideoGameVet" post="490490166"] well ... Counterpoint: Scott Adams is a megachud and I'm proud of the fact he blocked me on Twitter.
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Fart Amplifier posted:The US political system is garbage and is skewed heavily towards people who literally want to crop dust the entire ocean with styrofoam peanuts. This isn't really the Democrats fault and Democrats are far more likely to enact better environmental policies. while true, like i said before most of them don't seem to grasp the gravity of what we're facing.
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Fart Amplifier posted:The US political system is garbage and is skewed heavily towards people who literally want to crop dust the entire ocean with styrofoam peanuts. This isn't really the Democrats fault and Democrats are far more likely to enact better environmental policies. I mean I don't really think "it's not their fault" flies here. They could keep Manchin out of that seat, they just don't want to. If you want to argue that their reasoning is good for doing so then ok I guess but I think their reasoning is garbage considering what the stakes are. Again, we have to reorganize the entire world economy in the next decade or so, or billions of people are going to suffer and die. We're already on track for untold damage and human costs. There is no "we have to be realistic and do what can be passed" anymore, it's do or die.
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gently caress, just sell it.
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Lightning Knight posted:Again, we have to reorganize the entire world economy in the next decade or so, or billions of people are going to suffer and die. We're already on track for untold damage and human costs. There is no "we have to be realistic and do what can be passed" anymore, it's do or die. It's actually probably "do and shitloads of people die" regardless, but I fervently believe that the number of people likely to die is far higher with Republicans in power than Democrats.
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Fart Amplifier posted:It's actually probably "do and shitloads of people die" regardless, but I fervently believe that the number of people likely to die is far higher with Republicans in power than Democrats. I mean, ok. That is cold comfort to the global poor who will suffer the brunt of this cost but I guess I can't argue with this since it's probably technically correct.
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Fart Amplifier posted:It's actually probably "do and shitloads of people die" regardless, but I fervently believe that the number of people likely to die is far higher with Republicans in power than Democrats. too bad you and I will be the ones to die in either situation. but i hope that your belief that the dems will kill less people keeps your bones company
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Guze posted:I really do enjoy all the crimes adjacent people and their inability to ever shut up Uh, I don't get it. What's incendiary about this?
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Lightning Knight posted:I mean, ok. That is cold comfort to the global poor who will suffer the brunt of this cost but I guess I can't argue with this since it's probably technically correct. I guess I view this as the option most likely to succeed. Relentless pressure on democrats in the senate and house, plus electing as many of them as possible since they are the only ones who would ever be sympathetic.
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