grieving for Gandalf posted:

I think it's kind of on the nose that V is going by the first letter of Vergil's name

CordlessPen posted:

I'm honestly not sure if I'd rather play the "jump from container to container" part of DmC or the "snatch from orb to orb" part of DMC4...

grieving for Gandalf posted:

I think it's kind of on the nose that V is going by the first letter of Vergil's name

Pesky Splinter posted:

Looks like it. A sorta amalgam of Vergil's moveset (teleport, summon swords (?), maybe concentration meter) and Chaos Legion (but not quite).
That Bear/Cat thing also reminds me of the Shadow cats from DMC1.

Adding to the Chaos Legion discussion, it's got some pretty neat ideas, but gets dull as gently caress after about an hour.

Like, all the Legions have specific strengths and weakness, with enemies that are vulnerable/resistant to certain Legions, and they're pretty cool in their own ways; there's a sword one, gun one (which can be precision fired), claw one (speed and agility, but lighter damage), bomb one (highly damaging but short lived, but also can be used as traps), and two "defensive" types - a grappler (slow but powerful and can suplex poo poo), and a shield one (it's basically Royal Guard, but fires lasers).

And there's also Thanatos, but that doesn't count as it's a special one, and it obliterates everything.

As with DMC's weapons, what Legion you have equipped determines the main character's current abilities, and as they level up you can gain moves independant of the Legions - so you can use double jump without having to equip the Legion that specifically allows you to do that, or whatever.

There's also three modes; passive, agressive, and an insta-summon special move they all have - allowing a bit more direct control over the Legions.

There is some depth there, but the problem is that it takes too loving long to grind for EXP to level them up, you can only equip two Legions to swap through before the mission begins without any way to change them during the mission, and the general movement of the main character is painfully clunky, unresponsive and unsatisfying.

The enemy design is pretty bad with everything being a massive meat shield, and unidentifable messes of textures with cheap attacks, and seem like they barely flinch half the time. And even though they're designed with being weak or strong to specific Legions, they don't really take any advantage of that - it's either they're short/close range, or organic/inorganic. That's about the depth to that. They don't get any more difficult, or gain new moves, they just get bloated health.

The level design is just as bad; brown/grey/green/red literal blocks of brick texture, with the occasional "This is a Boss Arena" platform.

Music is pretty sick though - and they have a limited dynamic soundtrack, where the music gets more intense when Legions are on the field (at least, I think that's when it plays - it might not have been implemented, but those tracks do exist).

Anyway, the concept was neat, but the execution was limited.

grieving for Gandalf posted:

I think it's kind of on the nose that V is going by the first letter of Vergil's name

Jack Trades posted:

RatHat posted:

I hope they don't take V too seriously because he looks and acts like he just walked out of Hot Topic.

Renoistic posted:

DMC4's combat is really good but I don't like anything else about its gameplay. The glowing hook points, the spinning tops, finding a way through the castle, the dice, the appearing/disappearing walkway in the forest, the lasers... They're all bad which is why I prefer the Dante sections even if I prefer playing as Nero, since he has way less of all that. Oh and the Savior is bull.

Here's hoping DMCV does away with all that nonsense.

Zyla posted:

it was hilarious enough seeing dante dunk on the bosses in IV its gonna be even more hilarious to see the bosses get dunked on twice after they lose. that third fight better be them so pissed and embarassed they really go all out

Kikas posted:

but level design was one of the strongest parts of DmC

Fair Bear Maiden posted:

I know this is kind of common wisdom, but I disagree with this. Most of the platforming sections were incredibly simple an uninteresting, I think there were only a couple of memorable battle arenas in the game, and the linearity significantly stifled exploration.

DmC had great environmental art, but I wouldn't equate that with level design. Granted, the series never had great level design even when it was trying to do the Resident Evil mansion kind of thing, so I can understand finding the lack of those elements to be kind of a refreshing thing.