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Media Bloodbath
Mar 1, 2018

PIVOT TO ETERNAL SUFFERING
:hb:
@ Saudi military spending: maybe they want some Lebensraum once the oil dries up and global warming hits them.

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MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

They're just trying to adjust to an era where US oil dependency doesn't buy them a cart blanche blanket of security from sanctions and conflict.

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

https://twitter.com/timkmak/status/1070013889767714817

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



Lindsay Graham of all people also seems to agree

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
Lindsay Graham is in the super odious position where he virtually always acknowledges his party's position is morally wrong, but he supports it anyway. He's even more of a naked monster than his peers.

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
New Yorker has one of their typically long articles about Idlib out today that's getting some recommendations. I'll probably crack into it tonight.

https://twitter.com/Anand_Gopal_/status/1069697959800000514

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

Confirmed cased pf Swine flu in aleppo. MoH reports


Wait til russia claims the us fired off swine flu rockets ay aleppo

WAR CRIME GIGOLO fucked around with this message at 21:52 on Dec 5, 2018

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos
https://twitter.com/OzKaterji/status/1070548642552078336

Toplowtech
Aug 31, 2004

Too bad she got caught. Don't escape/hide on a cruise ship people.

Saladin Rising
Nov 12, 2016

When there is no real hope we must
mint our own. If the coin be
counterfeit it may still be passed.

Say, remember how Trump wanted US forces out of Syria in six months? (That was 8 or 9 months ago by the way, most of the news stories about that announcement were on April 4, 2018.)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...m=.c5c17e27ad4a

September 6th, 2018 posted:

President Trump, who just five months ago said he wanted “to get out” of Syria and bring U.S. troops home soon, has agreed to a new strategy that indefinitely extends the military effort there and launches a major diplomatic push to achieve American objectives, according to senior State Department officials.

Although the military campaign against the Islamic State has been nearly completed, the administration has redefined its goals to include the exit of all Iranian military and proxy forces from Syria, and establishment of a stable, nonthreatening government acceptable to all Syrians and the international community.

Much of the motivation for the change, officials said, stems from growing doubts about whether Russia, which Trump has said could be a partner, is able and willing to help eject Iran. Russia and Iran have together been Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s principal allies in obliterating a years-long effort by domestic rebels to oust the Syrian leader.

“The new policy is we’re no longer pulling out by the end of the year,” said James Jeffrey, a retired senior Foreign Service officer who last month was named Secretary of State Mike Pompeo’s “representative for Syria engagement.” About 2,200 U.S. troops are serving in Syria, virtually all of them devoted to the war against the Islamic State in the eastern third of the country.

Jeffrey said U.S. forces are to remain in the country to ensure an Iranian departure and the “enduring defeat” of the Islamic State. “That means we are not in a hurry,” he said. Asked whether Trump had signed off on what he called “a more active approach,” Jeffrey said, “I am confident the president is on board with this.”

https://twitter.com/VivaRevolt/status/1070112463893471232

quote:

The US Military is heavily expanding the Himo Military Airbase,at the western entrance of Qamishli City,and beginning to establish 2 new bases east and west of Qamishli City, with reports from Kurdish Sources,that Regime Military sorties from Qamishli Airbase are no longer flying
Congrats to the SDF; Mattis and the Pentagon found some shiny jingly keys and got Trump to change his mind on leaving Syria. I'm legitimately curious if the next president is going to come up with an actual plan in 2021 or if the US is just going to say "gently caress it" and be happy that we're not losing ground in Syria like we are in Afghanistan.

Saladin Rising fucked around with this message at 22:11 on Dec 6, 2018

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
There's reports that Sean Penn is in Istanbul right now doing a documentary on the Khashoggi murder. Saudi state media is not handling it well.

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/med...8mQYaow.twitter

"according to wordpress.com"

Squalid
Nov 4, 2008

Volkerball posted:

There's reports that Sean Penn is in Istanbul right now doing a documentary on the Khashoggi murder. Saudi state media is not handling it well.

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/med...8mQYaow.twitter

"according to wordpress.com"

lol, this propaganda is so bad. Who is it even aimed at? Goddamn Saudi sucks at international intrigue so bad

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Saladin Rising posted:

Say, remember how Trump wanted US forces out of Syria in six months? (That was 8 or 9 months ago by the way, most of the news stories about that announcement were on April 4, 2018.)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...m=.c5c17e27ad4a


https://twitter.com/VivaRevolt/status/1070112463893471232

Congrats to the SDF; Mattis and the Pentagon found some shiny jingly keys and got Trump to change his mind on leaving Syria. I'm legitimately curious if the next president is going to come up with an actual plan in 2021 or if the US is just going to say "gently caress it" and be happy that we're not losing ground in Syria like we are in Afghanistan.

President Sanders will deploy the full might of the American military to create a PYD-led pan-Middle-Eastern socialist democracy

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

GreyjoyBastard posted:

President Sanders will deploy the full might of the American military to create a PYD-led pan-Middle-Eastern socialist democracy

pyd spring just doesnt hve that ring that ARAB COMMUNIST SPRIMG does

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

LeoMarr posted:

pyd spring just doesnt hve that ring that ARAB COMMUNIST SPRIMG does
Fully automated luxury gay Arab communist spring.

Count Roland
Oct 6, 2013

Volkerball posted:

There's reports that Sean Penn is in Istanbul right now doing a documentary on the Khashoggi murder. Saudi state media is not handling it well.

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/med...8mQYaow.twitter

"according to wordpress.com"

"alleged fiancée"

Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003
SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>
It's honestly perplexing how Saudi Arabia has managed to handle literally every aspect of this so terribly.

Toplowtech
Aug 31, 2004

Herstory Begins Now posted:

It's honestly perplexing how Saudi Arabia has managed to handle literally every aspect of this so terribly.
It's not, young prince MBS probably brought along with him a lot of younger generation ambitious yes-men to replace the "out of touched" (read experienced and/or not in line with his personality cult) personal inside the power Saudi structure.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

Volkerball posted:

There's reports that Sean Penn is in Istanbul right now doing a documentary on the Khashoggi murder. Saudi state media is not handling it well.

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/med...8mQYaow.twitter

"according to wordpress.com"

Before I clicked this link I assumed Sean Penn was making a documentary about Khashoggi on behalf of the Saudis. I'm still kinda surprised he isn't.

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

Volkerball posted:

New Yorker has one of their typically long articles about Idlib out today that's getting some recommendations. I'll probably crack into it tonight.

https://twitter.com/Anand_Gopal_/status/1069697959800000514

It's a really good/extremely sad article.

Coldwar timewarp
May 8, 2007



Herstory Begins Now posted:

It's honestly perplexing how Saudi Arabia has managed to handle literally every aspect of this so terribly.

It’s not exactly a meritocracy.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

Before I clicked this link I assumed Sean Penn was making a documentary about Khashoggi on behalf of the Saudis. I'm still kinda surprised he isn't.

MbS could probably make Penn do an enthusiastic 180 if he invited him for a dinner and a nice hunting trip to the desert.

Blut
Sep 11, 2009

if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine

The BBC had an hour long documentary on this on last night and it was pretty good. Its a tragic story, it just reinforces what most people with an interest in the Middle East already know - pretty much all the Middle Eastern monarchies are run by terrible terrible people.

She seems to have used her cell phone throughout the entirety of her escape, which was very dumb. Its probably how the UAE tracked her down. I guess its fair enough that she mightn't have been aware of this possibility, given her sheltered life, but how did the ex French naval intelligence officer who was captaining her yacht/rescue mission not take care of that?

CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

"..."

Squalid posted:

lol, this propaganda is so bad. Who is it even aimed at?

My one and only guess could be 'Average joes inside the KSA' but even there, unless they have no access to global news and internet, I doubt it. Genuinely wish for Al-Saqr's perspective on this.

HelloSailorSign
Jan 27, 2011

Blut posted:

but how did the ex French naval intelligence officer who was captaining her yacht/rescue mission not take care of that?

Maybe that's why they're an ex-French naval intelligence officer. :haw:

CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

"..."

Sinteres posted:

It's a really good/extremely sad article.

Seconded - worth reading every word.

OhFunny
Jun 26, 2013

EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/12/afghan-soldiers-killed-coordinated-taliban-attack-herat-181207082508638.html

quote:

Ghani had earlier said that 28,529 Afghan security forces had been killed since the start of 2015, a figure far higher than anything previously acknowledged. That is an average of around 20 soldiers killed every day.

The US watchdog Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction (SIGAR) said the killings have contributed to the high rate of attrition and low morale among the security forces.

Lieutenant General Kenneth Mckenzie, a top US general, told members of the Senate on Tuesday that the death toll will no longer be sustainable unless urgent measures were taken to address recruiting and training issues.

I wonder how long the Afghan government can hold on.

Squalid
Nov 4, 2008


Really hard to be optimistic that its very long. The parliamentary election in October seems to have been a disaster. The main electoral commission just ruled the results in Kabul invalid due to massive irregularities, but another electoral commission is denying this and saying it will certify the results anyway. The winner in many regions is still tbd, the government has struggled just to count the votes. Now there's been talk about delaying the Presidential election, on the basis that its not even possible for the administration to hold it on time, even though this would violate the constitution. The government is struggling just to maintain basic functions.

For the past two years the basic strategy of the Afghan army has been to gradually withdraw from small, isolated rural posts to concentrate forces in defense of larger towns and urban areas. The purpose of this was to stem casualties while consolidating control over vital towns and infrastructure. The downside to this is the Taliban gained greater freedom of movement throughout the countryside and control of more territory. If this strategy has not succeeded in stemming attrition or making the cities more secure its a sign that the current situation is not sustainable, and that time is not on the side of the Afghan government.

GhostofJohnMuir
Aug 14, 2014

anime is not good

Squalid posted:

For the past two years the basic strategy of the Afghan army has been to gradually withdraw from small, isolated rural posts to concentrate forces in defense of larger towns and urban areas. The purpose of this was to stem casualties while consolidating control over vital towns and infrastructure.

lol, this is the text book response of a doomed government

Bastaman Vibration
Jun 26, 2005

ecureuilmatrix posted:

Yep! :canada::hf::quebec: His wife and kids have been living in [my hometown!] Sherbrooke for some time. There's a huge tapestry of Badawi hanging from the facade of the town hall, in front of which are support events every other week (meetup #200 was a month ago, I think?). Badawi got preapproved for immigration should he be released (:smith:) The local Amnesty Inter chapter has basically become the Official Badawi support staff, making his wife somewhat of a local celebrity. The regional support for his family has been very heartening, yup.

At this point what does it matter that Saudi keeps Raif Badawi locked up? I really don't get it. It'd be a nice gesture if they just deported him after their total fuckups recently. You'd think that with their controlled domestic media that most people wouldn't have heard much on that guy, and if they did just deport him they should be able to erase his memory, no? Or am I overestimating their competence at even doing that?

There's enough people shining a light on the lovely monarchy now that deporting this likely broken man to be with his family could even neutralize them for a while. It's very possible he'll to have lots of problems after release from a Saudi jail cell (like the Canadian released from the Taliban) and his wife would have her hands too full taking care of him to speak out anymore. What's the downside?

The whole case is baffling. Then again, "Hey MBS, you're actively making this worse" is something that fucko's heard enough already, I'm sure.

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

dinoputz posted:

At this point what does it matter that Saudi keeps Raif Badawi locked up? I really don't get it. It'd be a nice gesture if they just deported him after their total fuckups recently. You'd think that with their controlled domestic media that most people wouldn't have heard much on that guy, and if they did just deport him they should be able to erase his memory, no? Or am I overestimating their competence at even doing that?

There's enough people shining a light on the lovely monarchy now that deporting this likely broken man to be with his family could even neutralize them for a while. It's very possible he'll to have lots of problems after release from a Saudi jail cell (like the Canadian released from the Taliban) and his wife would have her hands too full taking care of him to speak out anymore. What's the downside?

The whole case is baffling. Then again, "Hey MBS, you're actively making this worse" is something that fucko's heard enough already, I'm sure.

If they released Raif, how could they justify keeping Samar Badawi in prison? If they release Samar, how could they justify keeping Loujain Hathloul and Eman al-Nafjan in prison? If they release those two, then...etc etc. Creating a public perception that your regime will give concessions when pressured is a big part of what created the political environment that existed in Syria in the early 2010's. It's why so many authoritarian regimes will risk the collapse of the entire nation state over even the pettiest of issues. So that people know that asking for anything whatsoever is going to have positive consequences only over the dead bodies of a lot of people. MBS tried to frame himself as this cosmopolitan reformer, particularly to audiences outside of Saudi Arabia, but at the same time, they are trying to maintain the reputation within Saudi Arabia that activism of any kind will only result in sorrow. That's why you see them doing contradictory acts, like allowing women to drive, while simultaneously locking up the most prominent activists for womens rights in the country as foreign agents, and torturing them. They're compensating for creating this perception of being open to reform by being as brutal as they can towards real reformers. Raif has become a symbol of activism, so I expect he'll be made example of. He's got several years left on his sentence, but he owes so many lashes that they'd kill him before they were all finished. They keep postponing rounds of his lashings due to his health, so he's nowhere near being done. Since that's likely to still be the case when his time is up, they can say oh well he hasn't had all his lashings so he still owes a debt to society, and keep him locked up. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he ends up dying in there. I hope they grow bored with him before that happens.

Volkerball fucked around with this message at 23:19 on Dec 7, 2018

Nckdictator
Sep 8, 2006
Just..someone
https://www.news.com.au/finance/wor...42ab7878abafa78

quote:

Dubai Royal Court insists princess is ‘safe’ despite nine-month disappearance


Sheikha Latifa bint Mohammed al-Maktoum has not been seen in public since March.
But in a shocking new development, the government of Dubai has finally broken its silence to claim the princess is safe and well — despite fears she has been killed or is being drugged and held against her will.
Princess Latifa, the 33-year-old daughter of Dubai’s leader, Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid al-Maktoum, fled the conservative United Arab Emirates (UAE) in a daring escape nine months ago.


After plotting her escape with a team of people sympathetic to her cause, including her martial arts instructor Tiina Jauhiainen and former French spy Hervé Jaubert, Princess Latifa drove across the border into Oman before boarding a boat headed for the Indian coast. However, the boat never reached its destination. Instead, it was stormed by commandos who captured the royal rogue, and she has not been seen since.
Her social media accounts were shut down, and there has been no evidence of her communicating with the outside world since her disappearance on March 5. On Wednesday — Latifa’s 33rd birthday — Dubai’s Royal Court finally released an official statement regarding her whereabouts.
“Her Highness Sheikha Latifa is now safe in Dubai,” the statement reads. “She and her family are looking forward to celebrating her birthday today, in privacy and peace, and to building a happy and stable future for her.”


The statement also said Princess Latifa was “adored and cherished” by her family, who were “deeply saddened by the continued media speculation” about her safety.
It also alleged Princess Latifa had not tried to escape but had instead been kidnapped by Mr Jaubert, who had held her for a $US100 million ($A138 million) ransom.
However, the statement has done little to quell fears, thanks largely to a video released by the Princess herself shortly before her capture.
“My father is the most evil person I have ever met in my life,” she said in the clip.
“He’s pure evil. There’s nothing good in him.
“If you are watching this, it’s not such a good thing. Either I’m dead or I’m in a very, very, very bad situation.”
She also claimed she had previously attempted to escape at age 16 before being caught, imprisoned and drugged.
And Princess Latifa’s fate seems to echo that of her older sister Shamsa, who has also not been seen in public since she attempted to flee her family’s clutches in England in 2000.
CEO Radha Stirling told the UK Telegraph Princess Latifa’s story “seriously punctures” the UAE’s “highly controlled self-image” of being a tolerant and moderate nation.

“The UAE has refused to acknowledge their illegal attack on the vessel from which she was abducted and completely ignored a United Nations inquiry into her enforced disappearance,” she said.
“Given Latifa’s grave allegations against her father, Sheikh Mohammed, and considering the fate of Jamal Khashoggi at the hands of the UAE’s ally Saudi Arabia, we are deeply worried about Latifa’s welfare.”
Meanwhile, Mr Jaubert told Sky News Princess Latifa may have been killed.
Non-government organisation Detained in Dubai, which helps people who have been victimised in the UAE, claims Princess Latifa called their offices from the boat as it was attacked.
“Maybe Latifa did not make it. I’m not sure she is alive,” he told the network.
Guernica Chambers, which is representing Ms Jauhiainen and Mr Jaubert in legal proceedings, has also released a statement.
“If it is that Sheikha Latifa is with her family, and that this is a family matter for which she seeks no public concern, then why is she prevented from communicating this publicly, or to any individual that she considers to be a friend,” The Mirror reported the statement as saying.
“The only conclusion that can be drawn is that Sheikha Latifa remains detained against her will.”

Didn’t Herve actually used to post here? (Mostly promoting his book if I recall right)

Squalid
Nov 4, 2008

Nckdictator posted:

https://www.news.com.au/finance/wor...42ab7878abafa78


Didn’t Herve actually used to post here? (Mostly promoting his book if I recall right)

Why is it that its never enough for these freaks to be quietly committed to the minimum of callous despotism necessary to maintain their rule, but always have to extend a petty personal sadism into every aspect of their lives? God willing a hot and merciless wind will blow forth from the desert and scour these latter day Sodoms and Gomorrahs which are the Gulf Monarchies from the face of the earth.

Coldwar timewarp
May 8, 2007



Squalid posted:

Why is it that its never enough for these freaks to be quietly committed to the minimum of callous despotism necessary to maintain their rule, but always have to extend a petty personal sadism into every aspect of their lives? God willing a hot and merciless wind will blow forth from the desert and scour these latter day Sodoms and Gomorrahs which are the Gulf Monarchies from the face of the earth.

Don’t besmirch our partners and allies in the war against the biggest state sponsor of terrorism Sir.

CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

"..."
Everyone should know by now that terrorizing people outside your country is what brings the hammer down on you (Iran messing with Israel? Not cool! Oh, but a country like Yemen? Yea, sure...let's make a buck from it too), but terrorizing your own people? In the eyes of the international community that has always been and will be acceptable, no matter the degree nor the propaganda that state that as the chief reason for why a country should get invaded.

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Tough read on the situation for Houthi prisoners. Hisham al-Omeissy was in one of them, and was recently freed. The article he's linking has some horrible images in it, so be warned.

https://twitter.com/omeisy/status/1070970407656808449

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Throwback to before Max Blumenthal sold his soul.

https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/103817672386555904

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



Nckdictator posted:

https://www.news.com.au/finance/wor...42ab7878abafa78


Didn’t Herve actually used to post here? (Mostly promoting his book if I recall right)
It’s fine. The princess is just hanging out with Shelly Miscavige.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
https://twitter.com/IbnSiqilli/status/1071639937030721537

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Blut
Sep 11, 2009

if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine
Interesting humvee the Taliban is rocking there. I wonder how many millions (billions?) worth of US military surplus the Taliban is going to end up with when it eventually wins the war.

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