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Req.Martyr
May 4, 2016

I don't go by my caste, creed, or religion. My works speak for me.

Kemix posted:

Considering a good deal of competition...it’s not THAT surprising. 2018 wasn’t the best year for gaming, I’m just gonna come out and say that now.

Also Woo, Joker is gonna Smash the competition! Wait...ISABELLE NO! :stonk:

Well like, God of War and Yakuza 6 exist.
Honorable mentions to PC Monster Hunter, Hitman 2, and DBFZ.
Sure some of these are niche but like, there are some solid gems. Even RDR2 is a ymmv thing that people like.

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Sydin
Oct 29, 2011

Another spring commute
Wonder how poorly the switch port will run.

Req.Martyr
May 4, 2016

I don't go by my caste, creed, or religion. My works speak for me.

Sydin posted:

Wonder how poorly the switch port will run.

Better than CoD:Ghosts on WiiU. Which honestly ran better than it had a right to.

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




fractalairduct posted:

I'd rather something else as a stage, but in Mementos you could have bus Mona and the Reaper show up as stage hazards.

If they want a stage that encapsulates persona as a whole, there's always the velvet room.

If Sakurai wasn't behind this, I'd be convinced we'd get the interrogation room as a stage.

Asbel
Mar 22, 2013

angry borking noises
Sae, with heavy bags under her eyes: "And what happened then?"

Maaku: "So then I had to fight this green dinosaur and some lady wearing a hairsuit in a big city called Midgar!"

Jen X
Sep 29, 2014

To bring light to the darkness, whether that darkness be ignorance, injustice, apathy, or stagnation.
Joker is gonna steal Yoshi’s heart and make him admit to his tax fraud

A joke made by like 20 people on twitter, reproduced on these something awful forums, because it’s very good

Sydin
Oct 29, 2011

Another spring commute

GeneX posted:

Joker is gonna steal Yoshi’s heart and make him admit to his tax fraud

A joke made by like 20 people on twitter, reproduced on these something awful forums, because it’s very good

I feel a bond of trust between myself and Yoshi...

*flashfoward to the interrogation room.*

Your group was able to move all over the city with lightning speed, despite the subway accidents. You must have had transportation... perhaps a friendly green dinosaur? I'm right, aren't I?!

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007

GeneX posted:

Joker is gonna steal Yoshi’s heart and make him admit to his tax fraud

he's going to steal ness' heart and make him admit that he's really sans undertale

Hunt11
Jul 24, 2013

Grimey Drawer
I think Futaba should be an assist trophy who shows up to try and steal as many smash characters as possible to add to her collection.

Manic_Misanthrope
Jul 1, 2010


Hunt11 posted:

I think Futaba should be an assist trophy who shows up to try and steal as many smash characters as possible to add to her collection.

Otocon and Futaba get into a nerdfight over Codec.

Haifisch
Nov 13, 2010

Objection! I object! That was... objectionable!



Taco Defender

loving love Fiona Apple posted:

Persona 5 is great! It can also be bad at times.
And to be fair, it's easier to overlook the bad stuff when you're playing it instead of reading it(or being the poor bastard who has to LP it).

That describes P3 and 4 too. Fun to play, but the writing isn't the best when you stop to think about it for a bit.

Qrr
Aug 14, 2015


fluffyDeathbringer posted:

So after all this thread reading, I think my feelings on Persona 5 can be summed up as "I love Persona 5! Shame about all the Persona 5 in it, though."

I played through Persona 5 and really enjoy it and when I look back there are so many parts of it that have issues. The thread has mostly focused on story issues, but the balance of all of the parts of the game is also pretty bad.

Like, for gaining social stats, there are so many things you can do - some stuff has minigames, some takes multiple days, some has limited use, etc, but really if you want stats the best options are trivial and repeatable. Diner on a rainy day is just better. And as we’ve seen at the end of the game you just... run out of things to do. Cap all social stats and confidants and the rest of your days are gonna be trophy hunting or the gym.

And then there’s sp adhesive 3 breaking the game, and the fact that the game would clearly be more fun if you did social stuff between palace visits but instead the game incentivizes you to binge the whole palace in one go and then do social stuff until the next palace unlocks (and Mementos is also roughly a once per new palace thing, since that’s when new missions unlock in it and it’s otherwise pointless).

Confidant benefits are also just... all over the place. Chihiya offers some of the best benefits and some of the worst. Ohya does nothing (and could be actively bad if you wanted to farm treasure demons in palaces, but why bother?). Rank 10 strength straight up breaks the game - I went into the endgame with multiple level 90ish personas. The cost is really goofy, it’s a ton for a persona 1 level over you and not actually that much more for a persona 40 levels over you.

Basically Persona 5 is a bunch of poorly thought out parts that somehow form an entertaining whole. It’s beautifully stylized and has some awesome music and somehow despite itself it’s fun.

Speaking of music, Last surprise is a really great track but over the course of the game you’ll hear the first 10 seconds of it, I dunno, hundreds of times. Normal enemy fights could have used some music variety.

Qrr fucked around with this message at 20:19 on Dec 7, 2018

Beekeeping and You
Sep 27, 2011



Qrr posted:

Speaking of music, Last surprise is a really great track but over the course of the game you’ll hear the first 10 seconds of it, I dunno, hundreds of times. Normal enemy fights could have used some music variety.

After Reach out for the Truth, Last Surprise is a timeless classic :v: I don't even hate reach out for the truth but wow I was sick of the first 5 seconds of it

Also Life Will Change is straight up an amazing song that always gets me excited for the next boss

Beekeeping and You fucked around with this message at 20:35 on Dec 7, 2018

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

You can go a long way on a really, really strong core idea (stylish magic thieves steal the hearts of criminals and lawless assholes, forcing them to confess) even with all the rough bits.

Kith
Sep 17, 2009

You never learn anything
by doing it right.


Stroth posted:

Yeah. Honestly my biggest reaction to that was "Whose dick did Nintendo have to suck to get the star of one of Sony's biggest JRPG franchises for Smash?"

It wouldn't be the first time. I mean, Cloud showed up in Sm4sh and is in Ultimate.

cdyoung
Mar 2, 2012

gmq posted:



ScruffyTurtle's work is pretty cool.

The only problem I have with this AU is that Ann and Shiho didn't have to be a lesbian couple, like at all.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Haifisch posted:

And to be fair, it's easier to overlook the bad stuff when you're playing it instead of reading it(or being the poor bastard who has to LP it).

That describes P3 and 4 too. Fun to play, but the writing isn't the best when you stop to think about it for a bit.

Yeah. Like, what I remember for P5 off the top of my head are the big moments - like I still think Makoto's Awakening is amazing - but that also means I don't remember endless team meetings and odd, clunky translation patches.

cdyoung posted:

The only problem I have with this AU is that Ann and Shiho didn't have to be a lesbian couple, like at all.

A lot of fan stuff seems to pair Ann and Ryuji together, which is interesting as I don't think that's the case for the other games' equivalents.

cdyoung
Mar 2, 2012

Stroth posted:

What? Armageddon is till in the extended versions, and it's still broken as hell. (Spend all of your SP in exchange for enough damage to one shot anything* sounds almost like a fair trade, except that one of the required persona learns Victory Cry. Which restores your HP and SP to full after every battle.

* Except the final boss (can only kill one phase at a time) and the secret bragging rights boss (She'll actually respond by healing herself to full and continuously one shotting your entire party until you die. Persona secret bosses don't put up with cheaty bullshit, you gonna fight them the hard way or not at all.)

Funny enough, the bonus boss in Persona 2: Eternal Punishment *NULLS* this and only this fusion spell and then casts it back at you.

Beekeeping and You
Sep 27, 2011



cdyoung posted:

The only problem I have with this AU is that Ann and Shiho didn't have to be a lesbian couple, like at all.

:colbert: but why NOT have them as lesbians

An Actual Princess
Dec 23, 2006

cdyoung posted:

The only problem I have with this AU is that Ann and Shiho didn't have to be a lesbian couple, like at all.

what's wrong with it?

Araxxor
Oct 20, 2012

My disdain for you all knows no bounds.

Omobono posted:

Speaking of this: anyone that can tell how's PQ2? Did they fix some of the major problems from 1 or is it still "Naoto with impure reach trivialises everything"?

It only just came out last week in Japan from what I've heard. Still no info on an international release date.

cdyoung
Mar 2, 2012

Beekeeping and You posted:

:colbert: but why NOT have them as lesbians


Overwatch Porn posted:

what's wrong with it?

Because they don't have to be. They're close friends, and that's their dynamic, making them lesbians is like that tumblr artist who made the P5 girls all pudgy western stereotypes. It's an unnecessary complication that has no point or relevance to either character. Ann cared about Shiho because they were friends and that was it. They could have been Hetro room mates, Hetro life partners or anything that doesn't have to be a forced same sex couple.

Hwurmp
May 20, 2005

cdyoung posted:

The only problem I have with this AU is that Ann and Shiho didn't have to be a lesbian couple, like at all.

but they also didn't have to not be a lesbian couple

makes u think

Beekeeping and You
Sep 27, 2011



cdyoung posted:

Because they don't have to be. They're close friends, and that's their dynamic, making them lesbians is like that tumblr artist who made the P5 girls all pudgy western stereotypes. It's an unnecessary complication that has no point or relevance to either character. Ann cared about Shiho because they were friends and that was it. They could have been Hetro room mates, Hetro life partners or anything that doesn't have to be a forced same sex couple.

I dunno man, would you have been this worked up if the artist had her date Ryugi or something? I thought it was a cute addition.

cdyoung
Mar 2, 2012

Beekeeping and You posted:

I dunno man, would you have been this worked up if the artist had her date Ryugi or something? I thought it was a cute addition.

I'm not getting worked up, if that's what my posting is showing, I'm just stating my opinion which is, Having a lesbian couple to have a lesbian couple isn't necessary. Its like the ending to Legend of Korra, it's right out of left field.

Hwurmp
May 20, 2005

Extremely Not Mad About Lesbians

AriadneThread
Feb 17, 2011

The Devil sounds like smoke and honey. We cannot move. It is too beautiful.


yikes

fivepapers
Nov 2, 2017
I can definitely see why people ship them and not because it's 'making them lesbians for the sake of having lesbians in my AU'. They have a nice dynamic and if the artist wishes to interpret it as romantic or ships them because they like it, then who cares?

fivepapers fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Dec 7, 2018

Beekeeping and You
Sep 27, 2011



cdyoung posted:

I'm not getting worked up, if that's what my posting is showing, I'm just stating my opinion which is, Having a lesbian couple to have a lesbian couple isn't necessary. Its like the ending to Legend of Korra, it's right out of left field.

It doesn't have to be necessary, the artist probably just thought it'd be cute. Not all LGBT interpretations are wokeness signaling :shobon:

Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?


It's cute OP

An Actual Princess
Dec 23, 2006

cdyoung posted:

I'm not getting worked up, if that's what my posting is showing, I'm just stating my opinion which is, Having a lesbian couple to have a lesbian couple isn't necessary. Its like the ending to Legend of Korra, it's right out of left field.

oh so you're this kind of person, got it

An Actual Princess
Dec 23, 2006

having a lesbian couple just to have a lesbian couple is an unambiguously Good Thing. normalizing queer relationships is a Good Thing. saying they should be straight because you think it would be 'forced' otherwise is your homophobia showing

VanSandman
Feb 16, 2011
SWAP.AVI EXCHANGER

cdyoung posted:

I'm not getting worked up, if that's what my posting is showing, I'm just stating my opinion which is, Having a lesbian couple to have a lesbian couple isn't necessary. Its like the ending to Legend of Korra, it's right out of left field.

Lol if you think that the Korra ending wasn't built over two seasons.

Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?


Lest we forget:

Beekeeping and You
Sep 27, 2011



Overwatch Porn posted:

having a lesbian couple just to have a lesbian couple is an unambiguously Good Thing. normalizing queer relationships is a Good Thing. saying they should be straight because you think it would be 'forced' otherwise is your homophobia showing

I'm trying to be gentle about it because I feel like maybe he just didn't think about why this bothers him compared to if they drew Ryugi and Ann dating or something :v:

Like, I even like a lot of "Tumblr-Pandering" art but this obviously wasn't really... that.

fivepapers
Nov 2, 2017
Their comment also kind of reminds me of this one civ-like game where gamers were complaining that there were too many woman generals in it and that they weren't sexist, but they didn't like that being shoved in their faces.

fivepapers fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Dec 7, 2018

Ubiquitous_
Nov 20, 2013

by Reene

cdyoung posted:

I'm not getting worked up, if that's what my posting is showing, I'm just stating my opinion which is, Having a lesbian couple to have a lesbian couple isn't necessary. Its like the ending to Legend of Korra, it's right out of left field.
Except it wasn't out of left field.

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:
It was implied a lot through the series but they couldn't Just Say It or Nick would have shitcanned them. They threw it in at the last second as the equivalent of throwing the double bird to your boss while you back-flip out a window onto the speeding train that is your getaway.

Madmarker
Jan 7, 2007

Ann/Shiho is a good ship






However, in persona 5, there is only one true ship:
Yusuke/Lobster

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Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?


As the former OP of the Korra thread in TV IV, let me just say it is loving wild that we've somehow looped around to talking about that, holy poo poo

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