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evilweasel posted:roberts is concerned with the court's appearance in a functional way, not an idealistic way. the image of the court affects his ability to exercise power. doing something massively antidemocratic like abolishing obamacare wouldn't have gotten him that much that he really cared about because he didn't really care about obamacare, but would really damage his ability to get what he cared about in the future. the question here will be how much does roberts personally care about rolling back bank regulations, vs how much will he think it hurts his image. Gutting those parts of Obamacare also wasn't something he wanted to do because his paymasters wrote the parts of the bill he upheld, and he knew if he just destroyed the unprofitable part that helped poor people he would get accolades for his moderation from the beltway crowd (and it worked lol). You're right that he is canny and only willing to damage the legitimacy and long-term ability of the court to exercise power in order to get something he really wants like reinstituting Jim Crow, imo gutting financial regulation falls into the category of "always worth it no matter it does to my reputation" but ymmv
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The other issue is that ruling that "not A and not B" means "not (A and not B)" probably has all sorts of nasty consequences that nobody wants. It's not like this is the only law that uses a "not A and not B" construction, and even if you are a conservative justice, my guess is slightly easing regulations on banks is not worth throwing the rest of the legal system into chaos.
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VitalSigns posted:You're right that he is canny and only willing to damage the legitimacy and long-term ability of the court to exercise power in order to get something he really wants like reinstituting Jim Crow, imo gutting financial regulation falls into the category of "always worth it no matter it does to my reputation" but ymmv yeah I'm not saying that he won't do it, I just don't have a good feel for how strong his ideological opposition to bank regulation is while i do have a good sense of how strong his ideological opposition to black people voting is
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VikingofRock posted:The other issue is that ruling that "not A and not B" means "not (A and not B)" probably has all sorts of nasty consequences that nobody wants. It's not like this is the only law that uses a "not A and not B" construction, and even if you are a conservative justice, my guess is slightly easing regulations on banks is not worth throwing the rest of the legal system into chaos. that presumes, unjustifiably, that conservative justices won't only use this hyper-technical reading on laws they don't like
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evilweasel posted:yeah I'm not saying that he won't do it, I just don't have a good feel for how strong his ideological opposition to bank regulation is while i do have a good sense of how strong his ideological opposition to black people voting is hahaha that's fair VikingofRock posted:The other issue is that ruling that "not A and not B" means "not (A and not B)" probably has all sorts of nasty consequences that nobody wants. It's not like this is the only law that uses a "not A and not B" construction, and even if you are a conservative justice, my guess is slightly easing regulations on banks is not worth throwing the rest of the legal system into chaos. Eh they stopped pretending to care about consistency a while ago. Bush v Gore specifically said never to cite it as precedent because it would open a humungous can of worms when all they wanted to do was steal one election and then forget all about it. Scalia infamously didn't believe the interstate commerce clause gave congress any power to regulate intrastate affairs, unless we're talking about the devil's weed and then we must read interstate commerce as expansively as humanly possible to include growing a plant in your bedroom and smoking it yourself. Just this summer the court released two completely contradictory opinions (https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2018/6/27/17509248/travel-ban-religious-discrimination-christian-muslim-double-standard). If even one government official calls a homophobe shopkeeper a bigot then he's immune to laws because of government prejudice against his religion, but if that government official is banning Muslims from the country it doesn't matter how much racist religiously-bigoted anti-muslim poo poo he's said and tweeted we must disregard his personal opinions and assume good faith. I'm sure it's not beyond their abilities to come up with some sophistry for why the full context of this particular law means that !A && !B must have meant !(A && !B) this one time but not necessarily every time. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 20:39 on Dec 7, 2018 |
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Captain Invictus posted:A reminder, from uspol This one is a killer. If you’ve never been to Annapolis, it’s a fairly quiet town all in all. Naval Academy kids, old money, the state government. Not much happens. You hang out and drink mostly, or you eat at Chick & Ruth’s at some silly hour and watch the world walk by. Their newspaper is a quiet small town newspaper that doesn’t shake the world. It talks about community crap and a handful of state government wonk stuff. That some dude could be incensed to massacre a news staff of THIS paper is everything you need to know about our modern age. We’re going mad and killing people for no reason, because people who get hosed with every day come to believe they have to, that it’s their moral duty. Because the climate gives them cover, almost. And the President makes it worse, because all he can think about is himself. And because we move on, because everyone moves on, because nearly everyone has forgotten about that shooting, it’s back to silence except for the people who survived. I don’t know how this world changes short of the end of the human race.
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/07/politics/rex-tillerson-donald-trump/index.html https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-kelly-barr/h_5c611a0903bd3f263bd877b62e4f9c0b All of this slap fighting between Trump and his former cronies today is absolutely riveting in all honesty. Another day of presidenting hard.  You just know Cohen has the testimony to bury him and/or Don Jr. too considering how strongly the white house is reacting to wanting the maximum sentence for him versus all the other lives apparently ruined. This one guy though out of all the dozens Mueller has probably interviewed though, that guy MUST be guilty as poo poo and its good that theh got him but only him apparently.
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And the Manafort docs are in In a header called "Interactions with Kilimnick"  [img]https://i.imgur.com/nv2zJjn.png[/tmg] An entire header is redacted here  On lies about continuing to talk to Trump https://twitter.com/emptywheel/status/1071176668016979968
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:If Kelly isn't speaking to Trump who is Stephen Miller  this was not a snarky shitpost, this is the sad reality
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:If Kelly isn't speaking to Trump who is That does seem to be how they decided to deal with the arrested Huawei CFO. "Nobody tell him, you know he'll blurt it out to Xi."
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Zwabu posted:I'm fundamentally not understanding the deal with the Huawei CFO. Aren't sanctions something that usually involves monetary penalties instead of actually arresting and trying to extradite people? i know what you mean, I think the reason it's an arrest is there's fraud involved (or something along those lines) quote:Meng Wanzhou, who was arrested in Vancouver and faces extradition to the United States, is believed to have helped Huawei circumvent US sanctions by telling financial institutions that a Huawei subsidiary was a separate company, prosecutors said at a hearing Friday to determine whether Meng should be released on bail. e: yeah, fraud is the allegation quote:Meng served on the board for a Hong Kong-based company called Skycom, which allegedly did business with Iran between 2009 and 2014. US banks worked with Huawei at this time, so Iran sanctions were violated indirectly, and Meng therefore committed fraud against these banks. Skycom reportedly had connections to Huawei and at the bail hearing today, Gibb-Carsley argued that Skycom was an unofficial subsidiary of Huawei’s, using the same company logo. “Huawei is SkyCom,” he said, “This is the crux, I say, of the alleged fraud."
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Zwabu posted:I'm fundamentally not understanding the deal with the Huawei CFO. Aren't sanctions something that usually involves monetary penalties instead of actually arresting and trying to extradite people? https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/enforcement/oee/penalties
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Zwabu posted:I'm fundamentally not understanding the deal with the Huawei CFO. Aren't sanctions something that usually involves monetary penalties instead of actually arresting and trying to extradite people? sanctions are banning doing business with the sanctioned entity. the sanctioned entity isn't Huawei - they're the ones who did business with the sanctioned entity despite the ban.
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eke out posted:i know what you mean, I think the reason it's an arrest is there's fraud involved (or something along those lines)
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It's less that they did it and more that they got caught doing it through a shady subcompany and then lied about it.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:If Kelly isn't speaking to Trump who is Rozencrantz and Gildenstern are Aides.
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The Glumslinger posted:Cohen filings are in and its bad for Trump Every day it seems like more of the Steele dossier is confirmed. I can’t help but wonder how big a splash this stuff will make because everyone already assumed it all, or wrote it off as fake. Does anyone have any tweets or TV appearances of someone changing from Trump is innocent to Trump is guilty? I’m curious if this is penetrating media. (This is not a nothing matters post, I want to see the mattering despite being in the wrong time zone.)
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MickeyFinn posted:Every day it seems like more of the Steele dossier is confirmed. I can’t help but wonder how big a splash this stuff will make because everyone already assumed it all, or wrote it off as fake. Does anyone have any tweets or TV appearances of someone changing from Trump is innocent to Trump is guilty? I’m curious if this is penetrating media. (This is not a nothing matters post, I want to see the mattering despite being in the wrong time zone.) The only people who have been saying Trump Is Innocent will not turn on him unless very specific forces literally tell them to or the climate makes it necessary for them to do so in order to survive. We're not at either of those yet. They will continue to provide full-throated declarations of his complete innocence as a universally accepted axiom long as there is even the most pathetic and shriveled fig leaf for them to hide behind. The Mattering will not be evident from the corners you're talking about until long after it is crystal clear from others.
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Sanguinia posted:The only people who have been saying Trump Is Innocent will not turn on him unless very specific forces literally tell them to or the climate makes it necessary for them to do so in order to survive. We're not at either of those yet. They will continue to provide full-throated declarations of his complete innocence as a universally accepted axiom long as there is even the most pathetic and shriveled fig leaf for them to hide behind. Yeah a good chunk of GOP base would never concede that Trump is a crook regardless of what comes out of Mueller or SDNY unless Fox News starts to at least hem and haw about it. Even if/when Fox News turns to "Trump is a crook and that's why you should support Pence/other GOP" at least a third of the base will probably cling to the idea that he did and can do no wrong.
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Zwabu posted:Yeah a good chunk of GOP base would never concede that Trump is a crook regardless of what comes out of Mueller or SDNY unless Fox News starts to at least hem and haw about it. Let's not forget that, during the midterms when Fox News started to call some of the elections for the Democrats, a lot of the diehard Trump supporters from the usual online cesspits were raging and saying FNC was no better than MSNBC or CNN and that they were only going to watch "real" news networks like InfoWars or OAN from that point on. 
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Liquid Communism posted:Rozencrantz and Gildenstern are Aides. So close. Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Feds.
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tetrapyloctomy posted:So close. Holy poo poo
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Sydney Bottocks posted:Let's not forget that, during the midterms when Fox News started to call some of the elections for the Democrats, a lot of the diehard Trump supporters from the usual online cesspits were raging and saying FNC was no better than MSNBC or CNN and that they were only going to watch "real" news networks like InfoWars or OAN from that point on. Fox News is still trying hard, though. Their headlines last night were literally NOTHING TO SEE: https://twitter.com/oliverdarcy/status/1071413935004401664
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Oh my, my first thread title! That it comes as we see New York Times headlines like Prosecutors Say Trump Directed Illegal Payments During Campaign just makes me even happier.
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tetrapyloctomy posted:Oh my, my first thread title! Anybody have an update on Maria Butina?
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The Glumslinger posted:https://twitter.com/AP/status/1071469584077733890 Fascism is the new normal.
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mdemone posted:Anybody have an update on Maria Butina? last update is that there was an abrupt status conference ordered by the judge (don't know why), where a big portion of it was sealed per Butina's lawyers request (don't know why and the lawyer has to submit a filing about why it should remain sealed), and afterwards a public defender was appointed in an 'advisory' capacity for Butina because ???? (but her main lawyer has not withdrawn) it's really weird and no one knows what's going on, except that there might well be a serious issue with her lawyers or a conflict or something. my potentially-tinfoily guess is that they're paid by Russia, she's close to settling with the United States, and they are not representing her personal interests eke out fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Dec 8, 2018 |
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The Glumslinger posted:https://twitter.com/AP/status/1071469584077733890 What else did you expect when Kelly's earlier behaviour showed him to be a competent fascist?
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Your Boy Fancy posted:This one is a killer. They're my local paper. I still have a subscription to them because, nostalgia I guess? It and the Baltimore Sun were what I grew up with. What we dumped a bushel of crabs on during the summer. Not going to forget the murders.
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The Glumslinger posted:https://twitter.com/AP/status/1071469584077733890 kelly was never going to make it less fascist but he was supposedly going to make it function
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The Glumslinger posted:https://twitter.com/AP/status/1071469584077733890 There is always a tweet: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/156829591267328000
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insert_funny posted:Dipshit has no idea how to flip a loving coin. Lol I thought he knew everything about flipping! Why would he lie to me like this? E: Of course there's a tweet for this. https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1032586686394494976?lang=en mobby_6kl fucked around with this message at 22:00 on Dec 8, 2018 |
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insert_funny posted:Dipshit has no idea how to flip a loving coin. It's called a coin toss. Jeeze. Alt ending: If he knew how flipping worked he wouldn't be so dismissive of the Muller investigation.
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