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I guess Serbia's position matters most for Palermo. Either it goes with Andalusian communism and the Adriatic is a warzone or it joins Serbia and Germany has all the more trouble...unless it can get an ally further southeast, like maybe the Vakhtani. Also, man, there's so many whites on the map. I know they all organically found their way to their colors, but Russia, Germany, China, the Khedive, and I forget what the deal was with Finland all blur into eachother.
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Hashim posted:The democrats definitely don't like us, going communist gave us negative relations with pretty much everyone in the world. The only reason they're on our side is because they don't want the monarchies to dominate Iberia, with a friendly and stable Al Andalus on their side they would easily dominate the continent, which is what they're hoping to achieve by installing Tirruni onto the throne. I know. It was sarcasm.
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V. Illych L. posted:makes sense that the new powers would take the opportunity to stick it to the fukken monarchists tbh Yeah, they're terrifying. Germany can probably hold them off, but they won't be able to do that and properly invade France at the same time, so the best of chance of getting Germany to help us out is by distracting Russia with an invasion from the far east, if we could entice China or Japan into joining the war on our side. And even that would have to wait until at least 1918, because Japan has a truce with most of the GPs... so yeah. SlothfulCobra posted:Also, man, there's so many whites on the map. I know they all organically found their way to their colors, but Russia, Germany, China, the Khedive, and I forget what the deal was with Finland all blur into eachother. Finland probably won't last too long, they've got a truce for a little bit. But yeah, it kinda just happened, but I'll try and change it up a bit once the revolutions get going.
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Hashim posted:Finland probably won't last too long, they've got a truce for a little bit. But yeah, it kinda just happened, but I'll try and change it up a bit once the revolutions get going. 
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This world is burning. And we haven't even discovered nukes yet. Which reminds me, we got the airplane, where did most of the scientific community end up in this timeline? I can't imagine the intelligentsia stayed in Iberia after this civil war.
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I'm betting Germany, Frangleterre or Gharbia, realistically.
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germany got the poo poo kicked out of it in this timeline too. at least south germany did. britain has gotten worked over many times, france a bit less so i suppose. in europe france or actually russia are probably the spots you'd wanna be? probably most of the people who get to decide where they live are in gharbia, in rio or some place like it. the not-america on the eastern seaboard is probably doing okay for itself so maybe the ivy league is prospering in this timeline meanwhile i guess waono keeps waonoing
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What's Benin up to these days? I may have missed that.
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Hashim posted:Houdi Truly, a few mistake was all it took for the house of Uthman al-Houd to devolve into secondary status and give Al-Andalus to the Zulfiqars. Granted, we were one of the few rare non-assassinated Viziers of Andalusia which should account for something. Hopefully the Triarchy of Southern Gharbia won't be too harsh on us.
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Dec 9, 2018 23:44
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Either way, the Taifas were all going to be massacred.
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yeah the new regime has the only rational response to the majilis tbh
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Danny Glands posted:Either way, the Taifas were all going to be massacred. It's probably for the best.
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I don't see how any rational person could read through this thread and not conclude that the Majlis had it coming.
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If the communists and fascists now receive the same treatment, all will be well again in Al Andalus
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Dance Officer posted:If the communists and fascists now receive the same treatment, all will be well again in Al Andalus Make a desert and call it peace, eh? I have some sympathy for the Majlis, but even the best of them were ineffectual hypocrites who didn't care much about helping the common Andalusian. And the failure of a red/yellow coalition to ever get off the ground even on reforms both groups agreed on helped doom them both.
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habeasdorkus posted:Make a desert and call it peace, eh? No matter how many people die in-game, it won't make a difference, because Goons will still be here. The whole rundown on how so much of feudal (or I guess Iqta?) administration is left felt weird to me, but then I guess I don't really know much about the decline of the old landed nobles in various countries. England still has them but they're largely vestigial with little actual power, France lost some in the revolution, but many of them just came back and built back up their powerbase (maybe in the subsequent revolutions...?) Russia probably got rid of all of them in its revolution, but they basically invented new ones with their current oligarchs, and America (technically) never had them, but the wealthy sure skirt close to it sometimes (even closer in the days of slave plantations).
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SlothfulCobra posted:No matter how many people die in-game, it won't make a difference, because Goons will still be here. The aristocracy was absolutely still kicking IRL in the early stages of the 20th century. WW1 is one of the events that really helped erode faith in monarchy and aristocracy.
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Cerebral Bore posted:I don't see how any rational person could read through this thread and not conclude that the Majlis had it coming. They absolutely were due something, but I don’t see how any rational person could read through this thread and conclude that the Maijis needed to be publicly garrotted.
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Red John posted:They absolutely were due something, but I don’t see how any rational person could read through this thread and conclude that the Maijis needed to be publicly garrotted. Too lenient?
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Red John posted:They absolutely were due something, but I don’t see how any rational person could read through this thread and conclude that the Maijis needed to be publicly garrotted. Remember that time when the Mejlis wanted a liberal revolution in their country and they purposely sabotaged everything, drowning the country in separatist rebels and causing decades of hellwars between the successor states?
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Gantolandon posted:Remember that time when the Mejlis wanted a liberal revolution in their country and they purposely sabotaged everything, drowning the country in separatist rebels and causing decades of hellwars between the successor states? Don’t forget that one of those successor states was 1700s ISIS and they burned most of Aquitaine to the ground at their height
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Hey now, garrotting meta-gaming goons and garrotting the innocent byproducts of goon-anigans are two different things. I’d support the former. 
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Red John posted:They absolutely were due something, but I don’t see how any rational person could read through this thread and conclude that the Maijis needed to be publicly garrotted. If you go back and count all the blood that the Majlis has on its hands through the centuries, I think you'll change your mind.
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Gantolandon posted:Remember that time when the Mejlis wanted a liberal revolution in their country and they purposely sabotaged everything, drowning the country in separatist rebels and causing decades of hellwars between the successor states? Remember that time when the Mejlis wanted a communist revolution in their country and they purposely sabotaged everything?
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SlothfulCobra posted:Remember that time when the Mejlis wanted a communist revolution in their country and they purposely sabotaged everything? Not to defend the aristocracy but I don't think "one term of Royalists followed by a desperate but largely ineffective scramble to prevent the regime from becoming even more of an authoritarian hellhole due to SGA influence" counts as purposeful sabotage as such.
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To be fair it's still up in the air if we'd even have a united Al-Andalus to burn down again if we hadn't gone Royalist when we did. Who knew they'd be the most effective at cementing their grasp on power out of all the parties.
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Does the existence of communist powers affect the chance of communist uprisings elsewhere one way or another? Not that this absurd story needs any more twists and turns, but an independent communist India rising from out of nowhere or one of the other Great Powers winding up with a million rebels in their capital halfway through the war would be hilarious.
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Patter Song posted:Fleeing to Cuba was the best move possible. Shame so few of you chose to join me. Some of us went to the Kongo 
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Grammarchist posted:Does the existence of communist powers affect the chance of communist uprisings elsewhere one way or another? Not that this absurd story needs any more twists and turns, but an independent communist India rising from out of nowhere or one of the other Great Powers winding up with a million rebels in their capital halfway through the war would be hilarious. I really want a communist India now.
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Snipee posted:I really want a communist India now. the Communist Party of India (Marxist) controls Kerala, which i think is considered pretty well governed, and also led a coalition governing west bengal from 1977 to 2011 - i think west bengal is considered to be a shambolic fuckup wrt governance but im very ignorant also just bc i think it's mildly funny here's a very leftist quote about a brief 17-party alliance they put together for a while this decade in west bengal: quote:In October 2014 a broader platform of cooperation between West Bengal left parties emerged, encompassing the ten Left Front parties (CPI(M), CPI, AIFB, RSP, DSP, RCPI, MFB, BBC, Workers Party of India, Bolshevik Party of India) as well as the Socialist Unity Centre of India (Communist), the Communist Party of India (Marxist-Leninist) Liberation, the Provisional Central Committee, Communist Party of India (Marxist-Leninist), the Party of Democratic Socialism, the Communist Party of Bharat and the CRLI.[75][76][77][78][79][80] anyway, kerala has a decent reputation i think??, so if you want a communist india now get your rear end to Thiruvananthapuram  that doesn't look awful or go hang out in the jungle with the naxalites idk if anybody wants to educate me about kerala and the various communist parties of india please feel free
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IIRC Kerala has one of the best quality of life ratings adjusted for GDP of anywhere in the world
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My family is from West Bengal, and I've lived in Kolkata for a few years. The communist party here essentially killed all industry in the state while implementing a bunch of laws that sound great in practice but but in reality led to situations like people permanently living in rented places paying Rs. 10-200 (in today's money that is 1/7th of a dollar to about $3) a month, which means that there's no money for landlords to maintain the properties. Keep in mind that these landlords aren't necessarily wealthy themselves, but happen to own old properties that haven't been done up since the 70s. The additional issue here is that they also don't want to buy the properties from said landlords because who would want to deal with 2018 property taxes? Keep in mind that rent in Kolkata in a reasonably good area is about Rs. 6000 ($85--still cheap since a similar location in Mumbai would be about $250-300). Younger people are all trying to leave the state because there just aren't good jobs anymore, but it's a great place to live if you're retired since the cost of living is incredibly low for a metro in India! Basically yes West Bengal is considered an incredible fuckup and people preferred the actually crazy lady currently in power here over the steady decline that has been in place since the late 70s when jobs moved away from Kolkata towards Mumbai and Delhi, and now Bangalore and Hyderabad from when the Communists were in power. They're really seen as more of a party associated with the intellectual elite in Kolkata than a true worker's party (everyone I know involved with the CPM including officials are also more or less of this mold), and the overall effect of their reign is perceived as inextricably linked with the decline of the city, especially since they weren't able to jump on the train that Mumbai and Delhi did during the liberalization in the early 90s. FWIW I lean left myself but West Bengal's communists did not do a good job here. Kerala is much better governed than what happened on this side but in general most of the media up North doesn't pay much attention to what goes on down South so if you're not living there it's hard to get a real handle on the region. e: also the Naxalites are uh militant communists so I'm not sure you'd want to hang out with them either. Fwiw I know people who were posted in very rural areas for work and have actually been in danger of being killed by them. SC Bracer fucked around with this message at 09:24 on Dec 11, 2018 |
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The Naxalite part was a VERY obvious joke.
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Oh no, I understood that, it was more for the benefit of anyone who might not have been aware  . I realize it makes me look like I missed it completely!
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SC Bracer posted:My family is from West Bengal, and I've lived in Kolkata for a few years. Thanks for this. I haven't had much exposure to India's domestic politics and history apart from tidbits in college a while back so its really interesting to hear about it in a relatable way.
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SC Bracer posted:The communist party here essentially killed all industry in the state while implementing a bunch of laws that sound great in practice but but in reality led to situations like people permanently living in rented places paying Rs. 10-200 (in today's money that is 1/7th of a dollar to about $3) a month, which means that there's no money for landlords to maintain the properties. Keep in mind that these landlords aren't necessarily wealthy themselves, but happen to own old properties that haven't been done up since the 70s. Tbf, this sounds like most everywhere else except the rent seems cheaper.
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