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Sophism posted:There's a pretty strong academic backing nowadays that point to Nero being historically misrepresented for political reasons, and the anecdote that Nero played fiddle while Rome burned specifically is pretty much ruled out completely. Sure, but that's trying to have your cake and eat it, too, no pun intended. You can't say that Columbus is the way he is because that's how he's remembered, but Drake isn't how she actually was because she wasn't remembered that way, and then also say Nero wasn't /actually/ a bad person in real life so it doesn't count.
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Ibram Gaunt posted:The truth is they just do what they think is cool and don't actually care about consistency.
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IN GODDESS TIME She was so thirsty for DA GEMS she temporarily reverted to Rin. It turns out F/GO is the dark timeline of Barkley 2 where Barkley serves Square-Enix Goya.
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Where the hell are the Three Musketeers? Serious question because they seem like they should be here somewhere.
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RanKizama posted:Where the hell are the Three Musketeers? Serious question because they seem like they should be here somewhere. On a CE
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ACES CURE PLANES posted:On a CE
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I was wrong, they were in side materials. It was a pseudoservant-ified track and field trio.
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Vengarr posted:Just That's a different Servant though. 
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at Oppenheimer not being a Pseudo-Servant incarnation of Shiva.
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Blade Runner posted:The reason there's so much Ishtar hate is because Fate is just an inevitably Gil-centric series and she's an utterly, irredeemably bad person in the EoG so that kinda colors perceptions of her This page illustrates pretty neatly why I don't think that's a particularly good argument. If we perceive FGO characters through the lenses of their original histories and mythologies, something between half and three-quarter of FGO characters suddenly become complete assholes, so why make exception for Ishtar?
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The difference between Columbus and Drake is that Columbus apologia still exists IRL—there's still a day named after the guy, for gently caress's sake. Nobody thinks Francis Drake was a good guy, at least where I live, so for them to be portrayed as such in fiction isn't a big deal.
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So were the Central and South America deities brought to Earth by ORT? Or by Altera? Or just some random rear end meteor that happened to have divine stuff on it?
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J.A.B.C. posted:Also, the implication that Rider Nero would be The Whore of Babylon, one of the portents for the end of the world making her want to be the best class, Saber. 
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Actual servants we as a society need: A "normal" Heracles saber cucuhlain bazzette pseudo servant Santa medea wearing something scandalous
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Stairmaster posted:Actual servants we as a society need: Bazett would likely be a Lugh (Or Manann.) pseudo-servant if anything, just because of Fragarach.
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Lt. Lizard posted:This page illustrates pretty neatly why I don't think that's a particularly good argument. If we perceive FGO characters through the lenses of their original histories and mythologies, something between half and three-quarter of FGO characters suddenly become complete assholes, so why make exception for Ishtar? Again, because there's a really big focus on Gil and Enkidu. If there were a really big focus on Boudicca's story and she were as important to the franchise as Artoria, I really doubt we'd have as sympathetic a portrayal of Nero as we do.
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I am reminded of the fact that Azura drew up a young version of Heracles once, and I'd think it'd be awesome if he showed up in FGO.
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Rorahusky posted:I am reminded of the fact that Azura drew up a young version of Heracles once, and I'd think it'd be awesome if he showed up in FGO. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pa0lMzaljTk Edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxHlS3ndpY4
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Rorahusky posted:I am reminded of the fact that Azura drew up a young version of Heracles once, and I'd think it'd be awesome if he showed up in FGO. You can't fool me, that's just Diarmuid.
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I really appreciate that they redid all of the Story Support's lines solely for the final battle of Babylonia. Too bad they still don't have in-battle subtitles.
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There is some conflicting info going around in the discord regarding the gameplay for the next singularity; I'm not sure I need to spoil this but just to be safe: are ALL pillar raids available immediately, or does it go one-by-one with one opening up after the previous dies?
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on the topic of servants that would never make it into the game, cyrano CYRANO DE BERGERAC
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I mentioned it once way back, but, I'm surprised that Morgan from Arthurian legend isn't a Servant. I mean, wasn't she Merlin's rival in terms of Magecraft? And she's obviously a key figure in the Lore. Seems like she should be a shoe-in for Caster class.
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She was shown in Apocrypha anime and is the mythical Caster class Saber-face. There is a Camelot Lost-belt planned if I recall correctly, so there is pretty good chance she will be there.
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the_steve posted:I mentioned it once way back, but, I'm surprised that Morgan from Arthurian legend isn't a Servant. She’s a Saberface, so it’s only a matter of time, and one of the future Lostbelts is Camelot. That would probably be one of the best times to add her
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Lt. Lizard posted:and is the mythical Caster class Saber-face. I thought that was Proto Merlin?
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The Caster-class saberface isn't mythical, we already have a Caster Nero. It's a Caster Seiba that is mythical, and it can only be Master Arturia.
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ACES CURE PLANES posted:The Caster-class saberface isn't mythical, we already have a Caster Nero. It's a Caster Seiba that is mythical, and it can only be Master Arturia. I don't accept Caster Nero as Caster Saber-face. She is just swimsuit variation of Nero who is already Saber-face in different class. That's just cheating. 
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Lt. Lizard posted:I don't accept Caster Nero as Caster Saber-face. She is just swimsuit variation of Nero who is already Saber-face in different class. That's just cheating. Technically that rule would also exclude the majority of Saberfaces that we already have
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We are missing a Caster Artoria, not a Caster Saberface. Proto Merlin is the closest thing we're gonna get since she's actually voiced by Kawasumi and the Proto versions are supposed to be parallels to the mainline Artoria and Merlin.
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the_steve posted:I mentioned it once way back, but, I'm surprised that Morgan from Arthurian legend isn't a Servant. Aside from what everyone has already said about a Camelot lostbelt: I'd bet actual money that until FGO became the runaway star child of the nasuvetse, Nasu had plans for some kind of sequel to FSN with Morgan as a major character, because her extremely conspicuous absence in literally every Fate work is the kind of thing that only happens when the person in charge specifically orders people not to do a thing.
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Nate RFB posted:There is some conflicting info going around in the discord regarding the gameplay for the next singularity; I'm not sure I need to spoil this but just to be safe: are ALL pillar raids available immediately, or does it go one-by-one with one opening up after the previous dies? someone please
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:Aside from what everyone has already said about a Camelot lostbelt: I'd bet actual money that until FGO became the runaway star child of the nasuvetse, Nasu had plans for some kind of sequel to FSN with Morgan as a major character, because her extremely conspicuous absence in literally every Fate work is the kind of thing that only happens when the person in charge specifically orders people not to do a thing.
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dogsicle posted:someone please I remember them being simultaneous
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Exia posted:Technically that rule would also exclude the majority of Saberfaces that we already have Look, you can be either a class variation of original Saber, or Saber look-alike. But being class variation of Saber look-alike is simply too much. Rider Mordred also doesn't count as Rider Saber-face, but Artoria Alter Rider does. Also MHX is both class variation of original Saber and Saber look-alike and thus is supreme Saber-face.
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Gologle posted:So were the Central and South America deities brought to Earth by ORT? Or by Altera? Or just some random rear end meteor that happened to have divine stuff on it? There are pretty strong implications that they were specifically brought there by the Chicxulub impact, as in the one that probably wiped out the dinosaurs.
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