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It's fine to complain but re-iterating the same complaint over and over again is more tiring to read than it probably is to post And I'm not seriously saying someone who doesn't like the episode should force themselves to watch it, but I am highlighting that there's a slight absurdity to obsessively commenting on something you simultaneously refuse to engage with Here's a good scene from a fun episode https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJfHc6TL8p0 Harold Stassen fucked around with this message at 00:18 on Dec 11, 2018 |
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COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:If you skip an episode, okay that's great, but why bring it up if you're avoiding it? You should only talk about it if you're going to watch it if you dont like a post that's great by why bring it up????
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Dec 11, 2018 00:31
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Stop owning me goddamnit
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Dec 11, 2018 00:46
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Who was worse? Kate or Ronee. I can't decide.
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Dec 11, 2018 01:15
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Kate, the weirdo station manager? I didn't know if it was the actor's decisions or if she had some problem, but I always felt like she was twitching and acting really unnaturally a lot of the time. Kind of spastic. And her voice is weird. But I thought it was funny when they were in that elevator together and it just kept getting sexier and sexier. So she's my vote for worse.
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Dec 11, 2018 01:46
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Wasn't she somebody's girlfriend? It's any of Daphne's relatives, followed closely by Daphne. She's easily the least funny regular.
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Dec 11, 2018 02:57
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LoL you’ve made twice as many posts about how tired my complaints are than I have, to defend dated sexism from a 90’s sitcom. Also I definitely take pictures of my sleeping girlfriend all the time.
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Dec 11, 2018 03:08
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Bluedeanie posted:I respectfully think youre allowed to talk about things that are bad in things you otherwise enjoy. I dont think it is bad when people complained that Niles and Daphne devolved almost immediately into the sitcom standard nagging-wife-and-incompetent-husband, and I also don't think it's bad that some posters dont like to watch an episode where all the men become inexplicable sex perverts and its the punchline of a joke that they dont respect a lady's desire for privacy. if you disagree, well...... i'm listening How is anyone a sex pervert in that episode? Frasier commits a social faux pas by going into Daphne's room looking for his book, then through a series of unfortunate coincidences keeps making the situation worse and worse as he tries to make it better. Also all his attempts to take a principled, modern stand against his traditional father fall flat and end up creating more trouble, such as his insistence that it was ok to go into Daphne's room because she goes in his room, or that it is unhealthy to use gifts to buy forgiveness. It's the same basic formula as most Frasier episodes. The only pervert part is probably the joke where Niles briefly thinks that Frasier has made advances on Daphne by going to her room like some sort of 18th century novel
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Dec 11, 2018 03:25
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OXBALLS DOT COM posted:How is anyone a sex pervert in that episode? This. The whole point of the episode is that he's managed to get himself into an unacceptable situation through his own arrogance, pomposity, boneheadness or just through a series of unlikely coincidences. Which is, as you say, the premise of about 70% of the show.
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Dec 11, 2018 09:28
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And still has the message that he could have avoided all the trouble by respecting Daphne's boundaries, actually communicating with her (and waiting for a few minutes to do both of those) and generally treating her more like an equal would make them get along so much better. Kind of the joke with Frasier and Niles being snobs is that they're used to strict social roles in a world where they very often don't apply anymore.
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Dec 11, 2018 11:17
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It’s almost as if dramatic irony is a humorous plot device and there is more opportunity for comedy when characters are not paragons of virtue
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Dec 11, 2018 13:54
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Please elucidate what irony is transpiring
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Dec 11, 2018 14:09
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Shut up Mrs. Tingle, nobody likes you.
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Bust Rodd posted:Please elucidate what irony is transpiring All right all right, fine. Okay, so get this: He’s in there But he’s not supposed to be  And Daphne is understandably upset (and in no way is it played that Frasier is in the right), but due to his poor choices and crazy circumstances he keeps going back. And boy I tell you she was not happy about that! Eventually Frasier, the main character, is forced to make a grand gesture to keep Daphne in the household which could have been avoided had he been consistent about minding his own business. Derp! You might say what ended up happening was the opposite of what they all wanted to happen, which creates drama between the characters due to the irony of the situation  How is this a hill to die on?
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Man I hate this fuckin episode so much I can’t stop posting about it ALSO someone needs to explain it to me since having skipped it I have no idea what actually happens in it 
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Bust Rodd posted:to defend dated sexism from a 90’s sitcom. I’m just seeing this now- gently caress you. You know that’s not what’s happening.
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Dec 11, 2018 19:33
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Dramatic irony is when you the audience know something the characters don't. This is English 101 people. Or is that 
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Dec 11, 2018 19:34
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Yeah like when Frasiers in there and we know it and daphne doesn’t But there’s definitely a whole treatise to be written about his underlying intent of being there in the first place
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Dec 11, 2018 19:40
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I feel like that episode was one of their only attempts to really explore the relationship between Daphne and Frasier and the whole kind of weird dynamic of her living in his apartment. They didn't really bother exploring it after that, I guess because her relationship with Niles was much more interesting and relatable. Mostly she was just another person who showed up in the living room to do hijinx.Solice Kirsk posted:Who was worse? Kate or Ronee. I can't decide. Probably about equal, but the writing as a whole was more inspired during the Kate era.
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Dec 11, 2018 19:45
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Sir Lemming posted:I feel like that episode was one of their only attempts to really explore the relationship between Daphne and Frasier and the whole kind of weird dynamic of her living in his apartment. They didn't really bother exploring it after that, I guess because her relationship with Niles was much more interesting and relatable. Mostly she was just another person who showed up in the living room to do hijinx. They had the episode where she was banging the plumber in her room and it weirded Frasier out
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Dec 11, 2018 19:48
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And Donny stays over in S6 so he’s clearly over whatever neurosis he had about her having Gentleman Callers Can we say Frasier is redeemed, or is this a stupid catholic type thing where we drat him forever for one thing he did one time despite making a complete turnaround on it. One things for sure, I’m not gonna watch the episode to find out!!
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Dec 11, 2018 19:49
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It's way worse how he makes her do laundry in the basement for years so he can have a closet for his hats. She's a health professional!
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Dec 11, 2018 20:08
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I still can't figure out why a physical therapist is cleaning, cooking, and doing laundry.
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Dec 11, 2018 20:10
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Brawnfire posted:I still can't figure out why a physical therapist is cleaning, cooking, and doing laundry. Because they didn't want her to be a maid because even in the 90's a creepy brother obsessing about a servant was weird.
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Dec 11, 2018 20:21
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Brawnfire posted:I still can't figure out why a physical therapist is cleaning, cooking, and doing laundry. If Frasier was as hacky and lovely as Friends, they would have replaced her with a helper monkey in season 4.
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Brawnfire posted:I still can't figure out why a physical therapist is cleaning, cooking, and doing laundry. She was a shite therapist: Martin's limp never improved. It was always a bit shaky as to how she managed to get a Green Card anyway: https://www.immi-usa.com/eb2-for-physical-therapist/ quote:The exceptional ability criteria can be a trickier subject. The USCIS requires you to present at least three of the following:
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:If Frasier was as hacky and lovely as Friends, they would have replaced her with a helper monkey in season 4. A monkey and a dog?? What is this, Doctor Doolittle?? That monkey would go on to become more successful than David Schwimmer (though that statement qualifies itself)
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spog posted:She was a shite therapist: Martin's limp never improved. I think she'd have 3 of those things pretty easily. She'd be licensed. She's definitely a member of a professional organization since she's part of a firm. I'm assuming she would have her degree in the field.
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COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:Man I hate this fuckin episode so much I can’t stop posting about it ALSO someone needs to explain it to me since having skipped it I have no idea what actually happens in it havin' a normal one in the frasier thread
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COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:A monkey and a dog?? What is this, Doctor Doolittle?? Yeah but that monkey is loving dead and Ross is still creeping
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Dec 12, 2018 03:45
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I actually think Katie is still alive, or at least is according to her IMDB
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Helper monkeys seem like one of those things that was always basically just a pretence for an exotic pet. Also, fingerblast etc.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Helper monkeys seem like one of those things that was always basically just a pretence for an exotic pet. Sort of like how having a "home healthcare worker" was a pretence for having a wacky maid character.
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:Sort of like how having a "home healthcare worker" was a pretence for having a wacky maid character. Pretty much, yeah. That said, given the pilot does mention that Martin was trapped on the bathroom floor for hours because he fell and couldn't get up, Daphne's deal being basically an able-bodied person to look after Martin and keep his health up made sense. You do see her putting him through exercises every now and again throughout the series. I figured she does the other stuff mostly for something to do, since Martin does a reasonable job taking care of himself otherwise.
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Martin would not be in a position to haul laundry up and down the building and Frasier probably just piggybacks on daphne to do his laundry as well And probably added a financial incentive and another task and another incentive til there’s no discernible difference between her and a live-in housekeeper
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"I'm not your bloody maid, Dr Crane!" "Oh yes, I know, and I understand what a terrible imposition this is, but please understand I would never ask this of you if I had any other option." "It's just I went to school for yeahs to get me professional certification, and I don't much appreciate being treated like a washwoman!" "And of course I recognize that Daphne... Tell you what, what if I were to give you a bit of a bonus? It's the holidays after all, I can afford to be a bit less... Spendthrift." "Well, I..." "I'll even take you out for a dinner at Le Cigare Volant, my treat." "I suppose it is a bit silly to be all up in arms about a little laundry--" "Splendid! Now, I warn you I was at a particularly long showing of Der Ring des Nibelungen the other night, and--well you know, those seats--" "...skidmarks, Dr. Crane?" "Ah... Well... you're the expert." Brawnfire fucked around with this message at 14:55 on Dec 12, 2018 |
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Brawnfire posted:"I'm not your bloody maid, Mistah Crane!" Either you hosed up by claiming Martin would willingly go to the opera and talk exactly like Frasier or you hosed up by having Daphne call Frasier "Mr" Crane so which is it you fool
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Calaveron posted:Either you hosed up by claiming Martin would willingly go to the opera and talk exactly like Frasier or you hosed up by having Daphne call Frasier "Mr" Crane so which is it you fool The latter, you cur!
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I can't very well discuss it with Dr. Crane. He's so close to Dr. Crane. If I told him, he might tell Dr. Crane and then Dr. Crane might feel embarrassed.
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FRASIER CRANE'S HUMONGOUS rear end CONTEST!
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