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Obliterati posted:I can't prove it but British anti-European sentiment didn't traditionally make the USSR comparison and they've only been willing to make it since Breivik did in his manifesto. When the Foreign Sec compared the EU to 'a gulag' it was top-tier dogwhistling for people who think Breivik was right. I'm not sure this is correct actually, I'm sure I remember Eurosceptics talking about the EUSSR back in the 90s
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MikeCrotch posted:I'm not sure this is correct actually, I'm sure I remember Eurosceptics talking about the EUSSR back in the 90s Yeah maybe, but the comparison wasn't the kind of thing the mainstream (Express, Mail) traded in iirc, so it was weird to hear a concept come straight off the internet into Jeremy Hunt's head
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daily mail: T May destroys Merkle with "make your enemy wait for you" power move
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Jel Shaker posted:daily mail: T May destroys Merkle with "make your enemy wait for you" power move Nah, the mails pretty much written may off at this point, for an opinion like that you'd need to go to the hardcore tory loyalists like the express or the bbc
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Dec 11, 2018 14:05
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Dec 11, 2018 14:29
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Are there really a bunch of people who voted remain but now want to leave? Or is that just something Tories say in parliament to make themselves sound legitimate?
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twoday posted:Are there really a bunch of people who voted remain but now want to leave? Or is that just something Tories say in parliament to make themselves sound legitimate? There's Remain voting people who are tired of the whole drat thing and want it to be over, sure. This isn't how the Tories are presenting it, of course, and such folk aren't interested in a given result so much as anything that puts this stupid clusterfuck to rest at any cost E: as in, the same people would settle for revoking Article 50
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Dec 11, 2018 14:38
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Everybody is tired of it and I imagine a fairly significant number of leave voters wouldn't care if article 50 gets rescinded so they never see brexit in the news again
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twoday posted:Are there really a bunch of people who voted remain but now want to leave? Or is that just something Tories say in parliament to make themselves sound legitimate? There are people who voted Remain and think that a bad deal is better than no deal Brexit. Theresa May was a Remainer after all. So it's technically true that there are some but I'm not sure I've ever met one.
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Dec 11, 2018 14:40
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People I know who watch the *lamestream media* say that they're sick to the back teeth with the constant, unrelating Brexit coverage. We obviously keep an eye on a lot more things than Brexit ITT, but I can imagine it's maddening for a lot of the genpop
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Dec 11, 2018 14:47
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Jose posted:Everybody is tired of it and I imagine a fairly significant number of leave voters wouldn't care if article 50 gets rescinded so they never see brexit in the news again I'm worried that if Brexit gets canceled a far right party like UKIP will make big gains and be able to cast the whole thing as a "stabbed in the back" narrative
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Dec 11, 2018 14:51
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Gripweed posted:I'm worried that if Brexit gets canceled a far right party like UKIP will make big gains and be able to cast the whole thing as a "stabbed in the back" narrative this is absolutely the plan and they're recruiting the alt right like mad, while the money and politicians of UKIP have fled to prepare an entryist takeover of the tories this means a stronger labour majority but more poo poo kicking off, the younger/more openly fash ukip are a much bigger problem than some fat inbred alcoholics the brexit debate has been briefly interrupted for an emergency vote on legal weed lol
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Dec 11, 2018 14:59
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Who are the front benchers for May? One man's face won't stop twitching and the other has no chin and nods at everything she says
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Dec 11, 2018 15:00
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Are votes decided on who shouts aye or no the loudest?!
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Dead Goon posted:Are votes decided on who shouts aye or no the loudest?! No, that is just to check it's not unanimous. They go through different lobbies and are then counted as they go through. It's very 18th century.
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Dec 11, 2018 15:07
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the people at the tommy ukip march yesterday were old as gently caress recruiting the young blood, 48 year old sargon
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Gripweed posted:I'm worried that if Brexit gets canceled a far right party like UKIP will make big gains and be able to cast the whole thing as a "stabbed in the back" narrative They're going to do this whatever happens because if they get no deal brexit they're empowered by gently caress immigrants then whoops their lives get insanely shitter
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Dec 11, 2018 15:10
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Jose posted:Everybody is tired of it and I imagine a fairly significant number of leave voters wouldn't care if article 50 gets rescinded so they never see brexit in the news again If there's another referendum this is what Remain should campaign on. "Vote Remain and this poo poo will finally go away"
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Dec 11, 2018 15:22
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Ramrod Hotshot posted:If there's another referendum this is what Remain should campaign on. "Vote Remain and this poo poo will finally go away" Got my vote. It's the fact this poo poo has basically the only thing going on in our national politics for over 2 years and despite that we've gone loving nowhere. It's loving boring and distracts from things that matter and is interminable and just goes on and on and on. Despite not Brexiting obviously being very important, the way it's been handled has just intentionally been torturous.
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Dec 11, 2018 15:26
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Reclines Obesily posted:the people at the tommy ukip march yesterday were old as gently caress I didn't say "young", Farage is.. 54?? aight I take it back they're all going to get slaughtered by cops
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I think the unpleasant way that the word Brexit clunks off the tongue and sounds like a knock-off breakfast cereal has contributed to the irritation factor
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Dec 11, 2018 16:05
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Breks-it or bregg-zit?
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Saith posted:Breks-it or bregg-zit? Wait and see if there's still a UK in ten years and we can decide who brokes-it
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forkboy84 posted:There are people who voted Remain and think that a bad deal is better than no deal Brexit. Theresa May was a Remainer after all. Immediate polling after the referendum indicated that of the 48% who voted Remain roughly 28% would be content with soft Brexit. I wouldn't be surprised if some of those would vote Leave now due to the pound crashing etc.
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Jose posted:They're going to do this whatever happens because if they get no deal brexit they're empowered by gently caress immigrants then whoops their lives get insanely shitter Didn't UKIP get destroyed by the Brexit vote, because there was no more point to them? I'd think that no-deal Brexit would be the worst option for them because it's exactly what they want and it's gonna be a disaster. Any kind of deal Brexit is gonna also be bad, and hopefully most people will blame Brexit, but they'll still be able to claw back some support by blaming the Tories for doing Brexit wrong. But with no Brexit, that's still going to be bad. People's lives will still get worse, it's just perpetuating the same status quo that led to Brexit. And it's the only option where none of the shittiness can be blamed on Brexit, because it didn't happen. We've spent the last two years facing down the prospect of the complete disaster of Brexit, but if you swerve at the last moment and avoid it, eventually people are gonna notice that their lives are still poo poo. It's not going to take long before some people stop thinking of Brexit as that bad thing that almost happened, and start thinking of it as the chance to change the status quo that was stolen from them by Theresa May and the establishment.
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Gripweed posted:Didn't UKIP get destroyed by the Brexit vote, because there was no more point to them? That's like saying America should go full fascist just so they'll learn why fascism is bad.
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Gripweed posted:hopefully most people will blame Brexit, This mess was started because certain people blame the EU for every problem, and you can be sure that whatever sort of Brexit it is, those people will blame the EU for whatever problems arise
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twoday posted:This mess was started because certain people blame the EU for every problem, and you can be sure that whatever sort of Brexit it is, those people will blame the EU for whatever problems arise Nah we'll just work our way down the list of Hateable Groups to blame and expel until we get back to the time honoured tradition of loathing the Irish
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Elman posted:That's like saying America should go full fascist just so they'll learn why fascism is bad. I'm kind of assuming that however Brexit ends, the second it does whatever spiteful energy is animating May will flee her body and she'll collapse into dust. Then Labour will come into power. I don't want to be accelerationst, but I do wonder if the disaster of a no-deal Brexit would both cut the legs out from under the return of UKIP and let Corbyn do some massive changes he wouldn't be able to under more normal circumstances. Like the Shock Doctrine, but used for good.
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Gripweed posted:I'm kind of assuming that however Brexit ends, the second it does whatever spiteful energy is animating May will flee her body and she'll collapse into dust. Then Labour will come into power. it would destroy the UK's credit rating and the value of the pound which is fairly important for corbyn's plan because he intends on high amounts of government borrowing to pay for poo poo UKIP are a non-entity and aren't coming back with the power they had
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Gripweed posted:I don't want to be accelerationst, but I do wonder if the disaster of a no-deal Brexit would both cut the legs out from under the return of UKIP and let Corbyn do some massive changes he wouldn't be able to under more normal circumstances. Like the Shock Doctrine, but used for good. Yeah this is accelerationist. Capitulating to the extreme right in the hope they will learn their lesson is absurd and will destroy a lot of peoples' lives, and is not a leftist position under any circumstances
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Gripweed posted:I'm kind of assuming that however Brexit ends, the second it does whatever spiteful energy is animating May will flee her body and she'll collapse into dust. Then Labour will come into power. last time there was a substantial drop in UK GDP, we got ten years of tory hegemony
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Dec 11, 2018 17:03
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i find this Parliament vs May and her cabinet stuff all really interesting cause since Thatcher the cabinet and PM have become supreme. its basically a clash of new modern laws to centraslise power in the executive (especially under the blair counter terror laws i assume) vs our old unwritten constitution laws that have punishments like "lock them up or sack them" but you cant do those because of -decorum and norms- so essentially the harshness of the old laws ironically renders them toothless cause parliament basically nicked the power of the king for themselves after the english revolution their power vastly exceeds like america's republican senate for instance but until recently the PM was just another minister and the cabinet was basically just a series of specialist MPs to head policy now theyr functionally a queen and her council, more seperate from parliament than ever before but by dividing parliament by making power so centralised and unequally distributed theyv basically reinented the ancient parliamentary struggle of "how sovreign is parliament vs the monarch" lol which generally ends catastrophically it rules
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