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Smeef posted:In four years he'll be on the faculty at Georgetown and be a regular contributor on Fox. uh fox isn't hiring the guy who flipped on trump
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KillHour posted:A sack of flour. Sack of Flour for prez 2020
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Smeef posted:Pardons wouldn't help Trump one bit, right? Anyone pardoned could still be called to testify against Trump and would go right back in for perjury or obstruction of justice if they don't cooperate. At this point I get the feeling that Trump just has to hope that the next president pulls a Ford and pardons him under some bullshit guise of preserving the integrity of the presidency, as if there will be any left. And a pardon is an admission of guilt. Yep. It also doesn't protect you from civil litigation and requires an admission of guilt to accept a pardon. Joe Arpaio is reaping all the bigotry and hatred he has sown over accepting a pardon and is being sued BELOW the poor house.
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Groovelord Neato posted:i didn't realize until today that clinton got more votes than obama in the 2008 primary. cool system. There were issues with some of the states changing their dates for the primary and violating rules. Obama's name did not appear on the Michigan ballot, but Clinton's did. If you exclude Michigan, Obama won the popular vote. The superdelegates are a bad idea that undermines democracy though.
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Smeef posted:In four years he'll be on the faculty at Georgetown and be a regular contributor on Fox. MSNBC. He's trying to portray himself as standing up to the corrupt President even though he was all about doing crimes.
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evilweasel posted:except if you got a pardon once, why wouldn't you think that you'll get a second one for telling the prosecutors to go gently caress themselves Because they can do it again when Trump is out of office and can't pardon.
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Smeef posted:Because they can do it again when Trump is out of office and can't pardon. oh i assume that the real issue there will be litigating the self-pardon trump issues to himself on his way out, trump's crimes involve lots of financial crimes which don't need witnesses
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mdemone posted:Minus restitution which'll take a chunk out of that. Money isn't enough. Treason requires an additional payment in a much more substantial currency than all of his wealth.
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friendbot2000 posted:Yep. It also doesn't protect you from civil litigation and requires an admission of guilt to accept a pardon. Joe Arpaio is reaping all the bigotry and hatred he has sown over accepting a pardon and is being sued BELOW the poor house. More than not protecting you, it virtually guarantees defeat in a civil case since the burden of proof is lower than it is in a criminal case.
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evilweasel posted:except if you got a pardon once, why wouldn't you think that you'll get a second one for telling the prosecutors to go gently caress themselves Because you get charged with civil contempt of court, which isn't a crime that can be pardoned. Then you sit in jail until you behave.
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JasonV posted:contempt of court, which isn't a crime that can be pardoned. Is this actually true? I would have thought the President can pardon a contempt charge brought by a federal judge.
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mdemone posted:Is this actually true? I would have thought the President can pardon a contempt charge brought by a federal judge. Civil contempt isn't a crime. There's no trial. There's nothing to pardon. It's just a judge sending you to jail until you listen to what they say. Criminal contempt is when you actively mess with the justice system, which is what Joe Arpaio was charged with. That is a crime, there was a trial and he was pardoned. JasonV fucked around with this message at 18:24 on Dec 12, 2018 |
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evilweasel posted:oh i assume that the real issue there will be litigating the self-pardon trump issues to himself on his way out, trump's crimes involve lots of financial crimes which don't need witnesses Could Trump pardon the Trump Organization or would that still be fair game for the DoJ and state AGs to shred?
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friendbot2000 posted:Yep. It also doesn't protect you from civil litigation and requires an admission of guilt to accept a pardon. Joe Arpaio is reaping all the bigotry and hatred he has sown over accepting a pardon and is being sued BELOW the poor house. Is he now? Well...I guess there was a silver lining to that prick getting a pardon after all. 
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theblackw0lf posted:Good example of how AOC and the other new stars are pragmatic enough to listen to and address the concerns of their fellow congressional members, while still holding true to their fundamental vision and goals.
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Gee, rich guy gets a slap on the wrist, color me shocked. I'll bet the paint scheme of his relaxed cell will be absolute torture
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:Are you sure? I thought pragmatism was "doing absolutely nothing unless victory is 100 percent ensured" No, pragmatism is collaborating with nazis
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empty whippet box posted:Truly, truly loving amazing that 36 months is all he's sentenced to when literally any crime a poor person could possibly commit is likely to result in more You have it backwards. We should be looking to fix our sentencing guidelines for those non-violent crimes, not using them as a reference point for locking up people for even longer for other non-violent crimes. Also, he is getting disbarred probably for life and he pled guilty to avoiding $1.4M in taxes, which I assume he will now be forced to pay. He also might be too toxic for Fox, although I'm sure he will make bank on a book deal and movie.
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The Glumslinger posted:https://twitter.com/rebeccavallas/status/1072848717202509825?s=19 as much as most of them probaly agree with this poo poo. its really really bad publicity to go after gay people that openly outside the evangelical swarm dome.
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JasonV posted:GOP don't like the piece of poo poo they tried to elect and want to take advantage of their own corrupt election to switch him out. Wait how could they not get support to change the law they have a supermajority
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USPOL: A veritable smorgasbord of fraudulent conduct.
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Shifty Pony posted:Could Trump pardon the Trump Organization or would that still be fair game for the DoJ and state AGs to shred? I love the idea of Trump going hog wild with pardons and using it on random civil asset forfeiture cases. "Trump pardons Approximately 64,695 Pounds of Shark Fins"
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evilweasel posted:uh fox isn't hiring the guy who flipped on trump Depends on whether Fox and similar propaganda outlets have started shoving Trump down the Dubya Bush Memory Hole by that time.
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 So this is happening American Border Foundation is administering and supporting America’s participating Sheriffs to deliver funds to DHS for border wall construction. https://www.fundthewall.com $132,197 of $450 million raised
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Slowpoke! posted:You have it backwards. We should be looking to fix our sentencing guidelines for those non-violent crimes, not using them as a reference point for locking up people for even longer for other non-violent crimes. Social and economic violence often have a larger impact than physical violence and white collar criminals should have their sentencing reflect that. I mean... it doesn't. But it should.
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FilthyImp posted:Just another example of the money needs money poo poo that the ultra rich get into. quote:Harvard’s financial aid programs pay 100 percent of tuition, fees, room, and board for students from families earning less than $65,000 a year. Families with incomes from $65,000 to $150,000 pay between zero and 10 percent of their income. This means that, for 90 percent of families earning less than $150,000, a Harvard education is competitive with or less expensive than a public university in a student’s home state. Harvard stresses that most of the students qualifying for financial aid (about 60 percent of undergraduates) also receive travel allowances to keep them connected with home. Harvard also points out that a quarter of its current students come from families with less than $80,000 in annual income.
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evilweasel posted:uh fox isn't hiring the guy who flipped on trump in 3 years FOX will be amazed that anyone could have ever supported Trump and that we have always been at war with Eurasia.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:
A powerful grift. Respect.
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Didn't DHS already say "thanks but no thanks" to these idiots?
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Phlag posted:For what it's worth, Harvard does have somewhat generous tuition coverage for lower income families: Ah yes and what percentage of their class comes from families making less than 65000 a year, i'll wait
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:Is he now? Well...I guess there was a silver lining to that prick getting a pardon after all. Yep! The real delicious part about this is that no one explained to him the ramifications of explaining a pardon or he just didn't listen and immediately slobbered Trumps knob. Once every single person and their dead relatives started suing him he tried to go to a judge and get it expunged from his record. The judge basically laughed in his face. You also wave your 5th amendment rights by accepting a pardon.
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VitalSigns posted:Wait how could they not get support to change the law they have a supermajority Ahahaha they have to re-run the guy they just admitted committed election fraud.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Ah yes and what percentage of their class comes from families making less than 65000 a year, i'll wait according the harvard, 20%
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That would have to be before March 6, because otherwise I don't think he'd be able to do that from prison. Even white-collar rich guy prison.
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I've gotta admit, it's a really weird feeling to sit here thinking that someone did the right thing by cooperating with the feds, but here we are.
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VitalSigns posted:Wait how could they not get support to change the law they have a supermajority maybe the guy who committed the fraud has a few friends in the NC legislature
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Your Taint posted:That would have to be before March 6, because otherwise I don't think he'd be able to do that from prison. Even white-collar rich guy prison. He can write and make phone calls from prison.
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