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twoday posted:https://twitter.com/addamschloe/status/1072248188504035328?s=19 Does that make corbyn a musketeer
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Spiderfist Island posted:I'm watching this all from the States- so assuming there's not a general vote of no confidence by the House of Commons later (hahaha), did May's survival of the internal party vote change anything about the balance of power within the Tory caucus, or the Commons as a whole? Because from what I understand she still has such a shallow group of reliable supporters that she still has to rely on fair weather allies and the like to fill major ministerial positions. Plus, the government still has absolutely no leverage going into talks with the EU. It just looks like there's going to be either No Deal or an "extra-constitutional resolution" to this that forces through the current EU deal at this point. She is in a significantly stronger position in that she doesn't have to worry about another (party) no confidence vote for a year
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Her brexit deal is absolutely dead though and she needs to just get it done with so labour can no confidence her She's stalling so that people take the thread of no deal as a reason to vote for her deal
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Jose posted:Her brexit deal is absolutely dead though and she needs to just get it done with so labour can no confidence her This entirely.
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outy posted:According to "the internet" you get a Tory name by using a grandparent's first name and the first street you lived on hyphenated with your first head teacher's surname. Typical nonsense, however James Queensferry-Morgan sounds pretty Tory to me. Ingeborg Via Alegre - Rukowski Mmmm i think i broke it
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Raskolnikov38 posted:wouldn't this trigger an election? sounds like a bad idea if you want brexit to happen As it stands there is a miniscule chance that May might gain enough reassurances from European leaders surrounding the NI backstop to calm the fears of more moderate Tories and the DUP, and somehow manage to get a pass on her deal. Hardcore Brexit Tories don't want that. Or she could trigger a second referendum, most likely on her deal vs no deal rather than a re-run of the original. Hardcore Brexit Tories really don't want that. They're quite happy to see the UK crash and burn out of the EU. The "nuclear option" mentioned would trigger a general election if successful, and that would likely leave the government in limbo until after the March deadline, leading to a no-deal Brexit.
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Ramrod Hotshot posted:Pushing through the Commons floor Jamming good with grapes and cherries And the theories from Marx
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Bryter posted:Not even especially hardcore unionists. I have plenty of apolitical relatives from mainstream culturally unionist background who would never think to call themselves Irish. I think this is slowly changing, and historically it's always been somewhat fluid. 200 years ago it was Irish Protestants who re-ignited interest in Gaelic culture and language as a way to establish a national identity separate from the homogeneous Catholic church. When Ireland gained independence it became a Catholic state, and not just as the majority religion. The church was intricately tied to the state and had huge influence over education, healthcare and welfare. Over a few decades there was a quiet bloodless purge of Protestantism and Unionism in Ireland that resulted in a migration of Protestant Unionists north into Northern Ireland. Those people no longer felt they could culturally identify with a state where the Catholic identity had become synonymous with Irish-ness. Then the Troubles happened and everyone went to loving mental extremism. These days Ireland has largely cut its ties with the Catholic church and transformed itself into a pretty liberal progressive country (how they managed that within a generation is another story). There are a lot of young people in Northern Ireland looking at Ireland without the historical baggage, and seeing it as a more tolerant progressive country than the fundamentalist Christian backwater they live in.
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Living in simultaneously maybe the most secular part of the US, and also one of the most Catholic, I always forget how it's considered innately more hardcore to Europeans.
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Uranium posted:Jezza tends his yard I, I wish I could trade Like Norway Like Norway can trade Though nothing, nothing will keep us together We will lose Scotland, lose it forever and ever
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Jose posted:Her brexit deal is absolutely dead though and she needs to just get it done with so labour can no confidence her my understanding is the most likely scenario is: may's deal get trashed on the first vote, after which the markets will have an aneurysm and most brexity mps will get in line. same thing that happened with the US bailout in 2008 the second most likely result is no deal bloodbath
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Fallen Hamprince posted:my understanding is the most likely scenario is: may's deal get trashed on the first vote, after which the markets will have an aneurysm and most brexity mps will get in line. same thing that happened with the US bailout in 2008 The one redeeming feature of the brexiteers is that they don't give a poo poo about what the markets are doing
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Bryter posted:Not even especially hardcore unionists. I have plenty of apolitical relatives from mainstream culturally unionist background who would never think to call themselves Irish. There is still a definite chasm in people's identifiers- political unionists in scotland are way more likely to identify as british rather than scottish, have some union jack profile pictures, really hate the taigs, and support a certain sports team
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Gum posted:The one redeeming feature of the brexiteers is that they don't give a poo poo about what the markets are doing Well, the influential Brexiteers are going to make a KILLING off Brexit.
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Gum posted:The one redeeming feature of the brexiteers is that they don't give a poo poo about what the markets are doing they don't give a poo poo in the "gently caress you globalists, our new trade deals will give every briton a pony and no one can convince our voters that that's not true" way, not in the "gently caress it, blow away all our voters' pensions and ensure a titanic electoral defeat in 2022, we must preserve a future for the gammon race" way
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Fallen Hamprince posted:they don't give a poo poo in the "gently caress you globalists, our new trade deals will give every briton a pony and no one can convince our voters that that's not true" way, not in the "gently caress it, blow away all our voters' pensions and ensure a titanic electoral defeat in 2022, we must preserve a future for the gammon race" way The brexiteers are split between people who are set to make a lot of money from a disastrous brexit and people who consider brexit to be the entire point of their political careers. If losing the next election is the price for brexit then they would be happy to pay it
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Jacob Reese Mogg would carry Corbyn over the steps to number ten while singing the red flag if he thought he would get a no-deal brexit out of it
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Ms. May, we found that Gollum video tested fantastically with the 18-30 group. /cracks knuckles
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question time is great, glad we colonials maintained the proud tradition https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDn_1Xa2a_o
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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:Your empire is failing too buddy, unless you're a peer or City of London bourgeoisie it was never your empire, though plenty of people like you did get gulled into committing intensely shameful acts to build and maintain it on behalf of your overlords
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1994 Toyota Celica posted:buddy, unless you're a peer or City of London bourgeoisie it was never your empire, though plenty of people like you did get gulled into committing intensely shameful acts to build and maintain it on behalf of your overlords In the Venn diagram of "posters" and "owners of empires", the circles don't overlap.
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prefect posted:In the Venn diagram of "posters" and "owners of empires", the circles don't overlap. The circles touch at a single point, labeled "Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov." He was ahead of his time.
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prefect posted:In the Venn diagram of "posters" and "owners of empires", the circles don't overlap. winston churchill was a proto-goon: - held onto bad opinions with extreme stubborness - made some pretty solid owns - very racist
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Fallen Hamprince posted:winston churchill was a proto-goon: had the word homo for a mouth
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Fallen Hamprince posted:winston churchill was a proto-goon: how many Nazis have goons killed through their actions again?
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:how many Nazis have goons killed through their actions again? are we counting self-inflicted accidental deaths?
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Fallen Hamprince posted:my understanding is the most likely scenario is: may's deal get trashed on the first vote, after which the markets will have an aneurysm and most brexity mps will get in line. same thing that happened with the US bailout in 2008 Hahahaha no. An awful lot of the extreme Brexiteers stand to make a killing in the disaster capitalism of a no deal Brexit so your understanding is wrong. The most likely scenario is that Theresa May loses a vote of no confidence in the house after her deal is rejected. Currently the odds from bookies of the meaningful vote happening this year are 6/1, as opposed to not which is at 1/12, so it won't happen until between January 7th & January 21st. After that the options are pausing Article 50 and having a People's Vote, having a motion of no confidence in the HoC or No Deal. At this point I'd assume no confidence is the most likely option because it's the least insane option, but it's hellworld so who knows? (As a side not, you can get odds of 5/6 for the UK applying to rejoin the EU by 2027 which just lol)
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forkboy84 posted:Hahahaha no. An awful lot of the extreme Brexiteers stand to make a killing in the disaster capitalism of a no deal Brexit so your understanding is wrong. I wish we had bookies like you guys do. What do those odds mean?
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1994 Toyota Celica posted:buddy, unless you're a peer or City of London bourgeoisie it was never your empire, though plenty of people like you did get gulled into committing intensely shameful acts to build and maintain it on behalf of your overlords Thanks for enlightening me on the class nature of the country I, a socialist, live in, smart man
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Did yuo know the presidet is a rich man
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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:Did yuo know the presidet is a rich man And he got it from a hereditary system, so we did a pretty lovely job of getting rid of royalty.
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prefect posted:I wish we had bookies like you guys do. What do those odds mean? 6/1 is +600 in the US way, for £1 you bet you win £6.
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