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double nine posted:how expensive would Stephen Merchant be to come on with some regularity? Given that his department is the one where the rules are made, i.e. how many points a given action costs, I'd expect the Accountants to feature more prominently going forward, but actor availability and $ would probably make that difficult-ish? I expect with him, availability would be as much/more of a concern than money- he's still writing, does a lot of his own projects, so it may just come down to when they can get him.
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double nine posted:how expensive would Stephen Merchant be to come on with some regularity? Given that his department is the one where the rules are made, i.e. how many points a given action costs, I'd expect the Accountants to feature more prominently going forward, but actor availability and $ would probably make that difficult-ish? Probably far cheaper than Ted Danson, and I'm sure he'd be quite willing.
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My soul to the bad place for Amy Poehler as the head Good Place bureaucrat.
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Taear posted:So then how do they say it's been 512 years since someone went to the afterlife? It's been 512 years Earth-time since the last person got in. This isn't that hard. They can still see Earth, you guys. No matter where in the Jeremy Bearimy they are.
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Phenotype posted:It's been 512 years Earth-time since the last person got in. So time still progresses somehow on Earth and it's still 2018 even though 300 years have passed. Which I'm down with, I just think that them trying to explain it has sorta made it worse than if they'd just left it hanging.
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RBA Starblade posted:Space and time is distorted in Then how can they say for sure that it's been 512 years since someone went to the good place?
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Taear posted:Then how can they say for sure that it's been 512 years since someone went to the good place? 512 Earth Years. 1.5 Trillion Bearamy years, or about 12 Bearamy seconds.
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obviously Current Official Earth Time is 2018, but they can jeremy bearimy around to whenever the went. There's an infinite intersection between linear earth time and jeremy bearimy afterlife time. lol kinda reminded of world lines Watermelon Daiquiri fucked around with this message at 01:36 on Dec 13, 2018 |
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Jeremys and Bearimies, kid. That's where they get you.
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Taear posted:So time still progresses somehow on Earth and it's still 2018 even though 300 years have passed. I'm actually curious. What did you think the point of the Jeremy Bearimy scene/concept was? Because you obviously got something different out of it than the majority of viewers.
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Don't think about it too hard Too, too hard Don't think about it too hard Too, too hard It's a wormhole, it's a Mobius strip It's snake eats tail, it's the infinity sign
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Taear posted:So time still progresses somehow on Earth and it's still 2018 even though 300 years have passed. I don't know how else to explain this. The afterlife is in Jeremy Bearimy time. Earth time progresses like it always does. There isn't any relation worth talking about. Earth time goes straight. Jeremy Bearimy squiggles in on itself and loops around so that they can spend 300 years running different Bad Place scenarios and looping around Jeremy Bearimy, and still pop out in 2018 if they want to. They can tell no one's been admitted to the Good Place in 500 years because they can look at Earth and see that it's 2018 there, and the last guy who went to the Good Place died in 1500 or whatever. I know I can't explain this as well as Ted Danson in professor mode, so maybe just watch that scene again. Or maybe it'll just break you.
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If only they had just mentioned what year it was when the last person made it into the good place rather than how many years ago it was, this whole conversation wouldn't have had to happen.
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If modern science could develop a pill to treat whatever the gently caress is wrong with nerds, this also wouldn't happen.
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Get a tattoo of the infinity sign
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I don't get why people are trying to figure out the logic of how time flows there when the entire point of their explanation was that it shouldn't make sense to us. It's like asking what the current time is in the Good Place series on anyones individual screen right now. It could be before any of them died, it could be the last episode, it could be the last episode and then straight after a clip of the 121st reboot depending on what someone plays.
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So I don't mean to poo poo on this show (which I do enjoy), but it seems like every single time they approach an interesting concept it's sort of hand-waved away or solved quickly and easily. For example; the points system being inherently flawed and bad is an interesting concept that makes the world of the show and potentially it's God figure much darker, more sinister and depressing. Maybe the bureaucratic nature of the Afterlife necessitates the guidelines becoming stricter over time to the point where a system designed to be fair becomes untenable and unfair? Maybe putting sentient creatures in charge of the fates of others in the first place is a an idea doomed to failure? Oh, no, the Bad Guys just made the Numbers Wrong. Giving the show the benefit of the doubt here, but it's kind of walked-back interesting ideas before. Eleanor, Chidi and the rest of the cast more-or-less always become the same group of characters with the same relationships with one another no matter how many times their minds are reset or how different their experiences are. The argument the previous episode they just sort of stopped arguing about Determinism and reached a "happy" conclusion arbitrarily rather than have Eleanor accept and change understanding that fate is out of her control. Even this episode it would have been cooler to see Eleanor/Chidi accept that the people who fell in love weren't them, but knowing that they have the potential to influences them to in the future and hey - that could lead Eleanor to wonder about determinism again! Or they just kiss and love each other. I know it's a comedy and they only have 20 minutes to work with, but so many times this show with a cool premise and a lot of ideas takes the easy way out. We're already however maybe alternate timelines in, with the rules of the universe being established and re-written = I don't mind if things get messier or confusing.
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Calico Heart posted:Oh, no, the Bad Guys just made the Numbers Wrong. This was just Michael's wild guess after hearing that no one had made it into the Good Place in hundreds of years. I think most people are expecting there to be more to it than that.
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Yeah I don't know how you could possibly come away from that last episode thinking Michael was right about simple Bad Place interference being responsible for all this. The whole point of the episode was to show that something is deeply, fundamentally wrong.
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Gaz-L posted:I'm actually curious. What did you think the point of the Jeremy Bearimy scene/concept was? Because you obviously got something different out of it than the majority of viewers. That arrival-style all time is happening at once, sort of, and you could die in 2095 and be in the afterlife before someone who died in 1950. But then this episode torpedoed that. Jingleheimer posted:If only they had just mentioned what year it was when the last person made it into the good place rather than how many years ago it was, this whole conversation wouldn't have had to happen. Yep that would have been absolutely fine. Taear fucked around with this message at 14:57 on Dec 13, 2018 |
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Taear posted:That arrival-style all time is happening at once, sort of, and you could die in 2095 and be in the afterlife before someone who died in 1950. woosh
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Regy Rusty posted:Yeah I don't know how you could possibly come away from that last episode thinking Michael was right about simple Bad Place interference being responsible for all this. The whole point of the episode was to show that something is deeply, fundamentally wrong. there's a bunch of ways it could go: the good place is actually horrible so the people there changed the numbers so everyone would be spared, the good place is amazing but they don't want any new people because being there made them selfish jerks, a wizard did it, etc.
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qirex posted:there's a bunch of ways it could go: the good place is actually horrible so the people there changed the numbers so everyone would be spared, the good place is amazing but they don't want any new people because being there made them selfish jerks, a wizard did it, etc. it would be kinda cool if the good place involved some kind of moral decay, with all judgment finished and no consequences for any actions
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Is this the first time we learn that you need a large number of points to get into the Good Place? I just assumed it had to be positive, with better rewards the higher you got, and Mindy Saint Claire being the only person ever to get exactly zero.
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Dr Christmas posted:Is this the first time we learn that you need a large number of points to get into the Good Place? I just assumed it had to be positive, with better rewards the higher you got, and Mindy Saint Claire being the only person ever to get exactly zero. It is, and I assumed exactly the same thing.
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Dr Christmas posted:Is this the first time we learn that you need a large number of points to get into the good place? I just assumed it had to be positive, with better rewards the higher you got, and Mindy Saint Claire being the only person ever to get exactly zero. In the first few episodes they imply it's the elite of the elite, but of course that's Bad Place lying to appeal to Tahani's arrogance, Chidi's obliviousness and mess with Eleanor and Jason. We don't actually know what the criteria are since we spent so much time in the Bad Place and our major source is Michael who doesn't seem to fully know either. So it turns out that if anything the Bad Place propaganda was being generous if anything, since nobody has gotten in.
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Dr Christmas posted:Is this the first time we learn that you need a large number of points to get into the Good Place? I just assumed it had to be positive, with better rewards the higher you got, and Mindy Saint Claire being the only person ever to get exactly zero. No it was always implied to be large numbers considering Michael's made up scores for the residents of his good place, and there was never any indication of a gradient of rewards. As for Mindy your interpretation explicitly runs counter to what we were told about her as the entire issue wasn't how many points she had but rather whether or not she got credit for the points she would have earned from her charity if she hadn't died before finishing it. Based on what we learned lately I think the reason that Mindy was close to getting in but not anyone else who has done great things in their life was that she did her great thing worth an absurd number of points right around the time she died. It seems that just by continuing to live you have such a net drop in points that it ultimately grinds down whatever boost you may have gotten by some incredibly good deed. Regy Rusty fucked around with this message at 17:57 on Dec 13, 2018 |
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Do dogs go to the Good Place, I wonder? Maybe maybe only dogs qualify and The Good Place is full of mostly dogs. Maybe Eleanor sees her dog that her Mom killed.
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enki42 posted:Oh look, there's lots of new posts in the Good Place thread, let's see what it is... Oh no people discussing a programme, that's terrible! The Good Place likes to explain stuff, I don't see why it's unreasonable to want an explanation for things.
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The time stuff isn't trying to make sense. Jeremy Bearimy means "time works however we the writers need it to". When characters in the afterlife speak in the frame of reference of present-day Earth (521 years, still waiting for Joe Francis to die, etc), that's Jeremy Bearimy. When Michael goes through the door to undo events that have already happened, that's Jeremy Bearimy. It cannot be disentangled because it's deliberately bullshit and not actually important. If a character says "521 years ago" in reference to Earth, they mean 521 Earth years. If a character talks about the centuries the main characters spent getting reset in the afterlife, they mean afterlife centuries. Infer from context, recognize that everything is comedy nonsense magic, and accept that most of the throwaway lines about the nature of the afterlife and its denizens and their perception of space/time/morality are meant to be momentary gags rather than enticing dangling plot threads. Guy A. Person posted:In the first few episodes they imply it's the elite of the elite, but of course that's Bad Place lying to appeal to Tahani's arrogance, Chidi's obliviousness and mess with Eleanor and Jason. We don't actually know what the criteria are since we spent so much time in the Bad Place and our major source is Michael who doesn't seem to fully know either. So it turns out that if anything the Bad Place propaganda was being generous if anything, since nobody has gotten in. Yeah, this episode makes it apparent that Michael had to cobble together a lot of guesswork for his fake Good Place. All the demons there were playing up a parody of the sort of saint-like goody-two-shoes types they figured make the cut. The fact that it's even more restrictive than that, and no modern-day person can ever get in, is something only higher-ups like Shawn were aware of. Supercar Gautier fucked around with this message at 18:59 on Dec 13, 2018 |
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If Michael's thesis is that people can improve in the bad place the other shoe is probably running into the good place person who's thesis is that being in the good place can make someone worse.
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Taear posted:Oh no people discussing a programme, that's terrible! It just seems like people are getting bogged down in details that don't matter in the slightest bit, and don't add to the humor or charm of the show.
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That's like the TV/IV mission statement, though.
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FELD1 posted:It just seems like people are getting bogged down in details that don't matter in the slightest bit, and don't add to the humor or charm of the show. The last time someone got into the good place is a massive deal and the main plot point though.
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Taear posted:The last time someone got into the good place is a massive deal and the main plot point though. For sure, but it's painfully obvious that the writers meant Earth years, because in any other context it's a completely meaningless statement with no dramatic effect whatsoever. "It's been 521 arbitrary units that are unfathomable and not linear anyway" isn't a great mid-series cliffhanger.
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Grognan posted:If Michael's thesis is that people can improve in the bad place the other shoe is probably running into the good place person who's thesis is that being in the good place can make someone worse. They sort of alluded to this in the Trolley Problem, right? Michael had no sense of morality because there were no consequences to his actions - maybe the same is true for everyone who's in the Good Place?
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CPColin posted:That's like the TV/IV mission statement, though. I acquit!
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