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| Up North |
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70 | 41.92% |
| New York |
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21 | 12.57% |
| Titan |
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12 | 7.19% |
| Stamford |
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18 | 10.78% |
| The XXX Porno Wrestling on the Other Channel |
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46 | 27.54% |
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I'm a Canadian so BY LAW I have to vote Screwjob. Also because I am a Hart mark.
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Dec 13, 2018 02:11
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It's harrowing to remember they had to deal with repercussions when Bryan fake choked a guy but almost none of the awful poo poo in this tournament even slowed them down.
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Dec 13, 2018 02:42
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Tonfa posted:It's harrowing to remember they had to deal with repercussions when Bryan fake choked a guy but almost none of the awful poo poo in this tournament even slowed them down. A sponsor complained. That is the ONLY time they ever "do the right thing", when they are directly threatened with immediate financial consequences.
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Dec 13, 2018 02:52
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Jerusalem posted:A sponsor complained. That is the ONLY time they ever "do the right thing", when they are directly threatened with immediate financial consequences. 
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Dec 13, 2018 03:09
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I will always go with any iteration of WWE's wellness policy as being absolutely the worst thing. Its never about talent safety when its enforced, its about company liability, which is only because when some dude dies, the news goes "former WWE wrestler, yadda yadda, probably steroids but we didn't bother waiting for a medical record." I don't know how many times I had to politely correct people when they talked about Benoit being a steroids thing. It wasn't a steroids thing. Steroids don't make you take a whole afternoon murder vacation. It was decades of splattering his brainpan with absolutely no medical evaluation afterwards. No one stopped to think that maybe getting your head smashed in nightly might have long term consequences. its even worse now when wrestlers get cut and they send the doctor in the middle of the match. Like what the gently caress is even the point? It just makes people go "oh look WWE is safe, they have doctors" And other than the impact screening(which they clearly don't adhere to) the Wellness violations are punitive. Rather than humiliating angles, you get fined and miss paydays because you didn't have your doctor's info in order(you gotta pay for those too, good luck NXT injuries!). Notice none of the top acts get popped despite suddenly going from jacked to flat in a week's timespan. Way bigger and scummier than Vince, Bret and Shawn trying to work out an angle that worked for everyone.
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Dec 13, 2018 03:11
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Gonna have to take people dying over the death of Bret's career (and the death of creativity in wrestling screwjobs)
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Dec 13, 2018 03:14
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Just think, if Vince had done the right thing there might not be a WWE today (The screwjob was the catalyst that ignited the spark of the attitude era) Might explain why he never does the right thing.
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Dec 13, 2018 03:26
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Vince Lied, Owen Died
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Dec 13, 2018 03:46
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Steve Austin was getting red hot with or without McMahon. The Tyson angle didn't need Vince's involvement.
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Dec 13, 2018 03:47
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Reid Flair vs Melanie Pillman up now, should be a landslide.
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Dec 13, 2018 03:48
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I know the plan was ALWAYS for Shawn Michaels to be Champion again, but God I would have loved it if Austin's first title win could have been against Bret Hart at Wrestlemania.
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Dec 13, 2018 03:49
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https://twitter.com/NY64Tournament/status/1073045305241800704
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Dec 13, 2018 03:59
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Watching the video you linked and it's worse than I remember dear god how did anyone think this should air? And having Vince do the interview and it makes a million times worse
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Dec 13, 2018 04:10
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Going with Melanie in a walk with this one. The Reid thing was extremely distasteful, but ultimately it was just a gross comment and it wasn't made a day after Reid's death.
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Dec 13, 2018 04:49
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ChrisBTY posted:Austin didn't have any good programs after winning the title without Vince (partially because Austin was allegedly picky with who he'd work with) Couldn’t have had a good program with Foley without Vince? Come on, man. Also, every time this hypothetical comes up, everyone assumes that Vince just wouldn’t have ever been a character without the ‘Bret screwed Bret’ interview. It’s just not true. SCSA had already stunned Vince on TV two months before. Not to mention, if Vince doesn’t screw Bret, Bret is there to work SCSA again.
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Dec 13, 2018 04:58
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Re: Melanie Read the Pillman book and watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sz37fAZZsE
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Dec 13, 2018 04:59
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I don't disagree that the Pillman thing should win but the Reid thing feels like it gets dismissed too easily as "eh, wrestlers are scummy in general so whatever." But you know, that's kind of the difficult "BUT THAT'S REAL BAD TOO!" in every one of these matchups. WWE is so evil.
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Dec 13, 2018 05:00
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STAC Goat posted:I don't disagree that the Pillman thing should win but the Reid thing feels like it gets dismissed too easily as "eh, wrestlers are scummy in general so whatever." It's another one of those things I think would have made it past the first round if it were up against one of at least half of the other tactics
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Dec 13, 2018 05:02
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Voting in this tournament, I put myself in a devil's advocate mindset where I mix trying to see where they're coming from and optimism to root out which choice I feel is worse. For instance, with Hawk, I can jump through the mental hoops that Vince Russo had good intentions and was too incompetent and bad at reading the room to make it work. He saw a popular-yet-obsolete tag team flailing and decided to give them a shot in the arm in the same style that was causing the company so much success. It crashed and burned, but at least they had the decency to end the storyline soon after, right? Reid Flair was at least meant to garner sympathy for a face and was an ill-conceived attempt to get heat on a feud. It was horrid and shouldn't have happened, but at least I can see why they did it. With the Melanie Pillman thing, I don't even know. It's uncomfortable and gross and it exists for absolutely no reason. I'm likely to vote that over anything it's up against because I can't even try to see that segment through Vince's eyes. What the gently caress.
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Dec 13, 2018 05:05
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The writer of the Charlotte/Paige Reid segment on a podcast said Charlotte was the one who pitched the idea of Paige mentioning Reid in her promo. No one bullied Charlotte into doing that storyline like Ric Flair mentioned. Actually burst into tears about the Ric thing.
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Dec 13, 2018 05:15
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To be fair, I recall people saying at the time of the Eddie's in Hell! thing that Rey was totally fine with it and thought Eddie would have enjoyed being part of a storyline even after he died. Then a few months ago I heard him on a podcast saying,"Yeah, it wasn't cool at all and I didn't like doing it, but WWE just kept pushing it on me."
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Dec 13, 2018 05:25
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Especially since Rey is pretty religious and so was Eddie. Most tacky Attitude Era angles I can forgive, because exploitative trash TV was absolutely the style of the time and they were just keeping up. Mid 2000s though, it was passé and they knew better.
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Dec 13, 2018 05:31
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Yeah, that's basically what I was saying sits badly with me. Some fans are way too comfortable saying "well, sure, by normal human standards that's a vile thing but they're not people, they're wrestlers and one of them who you think would be offended said it was ok or went with it or something so maybe its not so bad after all." Its gross and hosed up. If Charlotte suggested it, gave her blessing for it, or championed it doesn't really change that. It only changes how much she was a victim or complicit. And in total fairness to her I neither know what the full story is nor what her state of mind or stage of grief or whatever was so I'm not gonna jump to judge her personally as I would the company/industry with a history of such disregard and exploitation.
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Dec 13, 2018 05:32
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Wish I could find the initial WWE Network upload link of the Reid exploitation Raw. Bix made a lot of the scripting of the segment and dorks gave him abuse over objecting to the scripting to Reid being called weak. The script title of that Raw was revealed weeks later to be like Darwinism Always Wins or something like that.
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Dec 13, 2018 05:35
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Jerusalem posted:To be fair, I recall people saying at the time of the Eddie's in Hell! thing that Rey was totally fine with it and thought Eddie would have enjoyed being part of a storyline even after he died. Then a few months ago I heard him on a podcast saying,"Yeah, it wasn't cool at all and I didn't like doing it, but WWE just kept pushing it on me." And Eddy was absolutely not cool with doing similar things in the past.
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Dec 13, 2018 05:40
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MassRafTer posted:And Eddy was absolutely not cool with doing similar things in the past. Wasn't he super uncomfortable with the Domenik angle?
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Dec 13, 2018 05:44
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Wasn't he super uncomfortable with the Domenik angle? No clue but he did not like the idea of exploiting Art Barr's death.
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Dec 13, 2018 05:44
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And like, even if you get the grieving person's permission to exploit their loved one's death that's still exploitation and manipulation because they're grieving emotional people.
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Dec 13, 2018 05:49
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Jerusalem posted:I'm positive somebody made a video version of this? I made a gif of it long ago, but good luck finding it
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Dec 13, 2018 05:51
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Every time the Reid angle gets brought up someone barges in with "durrr Charlotte was OK with it and actually pushed for it" and I'm like ... is that supposed to make Charlotte look good? Or is she just covering the company's rear end for something everybody knew was a bad idea? Because it's still lovely and exploitative, no matter who came up with it. And it sure as hell wasn't cleared by the whole family, given Ric's (by all accounts genuine) reaction. Reminder that there was literally no payoff to this angle because Paige and Charlotte did a double-turn like 2 weeks later. Benne fucked around with this message at 06:02 on Dec 13, 2018 |
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Dec 13, 2018 05:58
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Charlotte is terrible. Look at her moonsaults, chops and choice of fellas. The prosecution rests.
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Dec 13, 2018 06:12
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KungFu Grip posted:I made a gif of it long ago, but good luck finding it So you didn't keep it? 
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Dec 13, 2018 06:19
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Jerusalem posted:So you didn't keep it? it was probably waffle images
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Dec 13, 2018 06:25
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My mindset towards this tournament is more or less two things. Deeds > Words and Business > Personal. Hawk was tasteless, but unless you want to directly trace it to Hawk's demise (I wouldn't blame you if you did), it was ultimately just words (and a dumb bump). Beyond the words, HHH actively damaged two careers (Booker and Goldust) because he's an rear end.
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Dec 13, 2018 06:39
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rovert posted:Charlotte is terrible. Look at her moonsaults, chops and choice of fellas. Rovert making GBS threads on Charlotte is a reminder of simpler times. Glad to see this make a comeback.
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Dec 13, 2018 07:03
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Wasn't he super uncomfortable with the Domenik angle? I think Eddie and Rey came up with the Dominic angle themselves. That's always been the story Rey has told, that a large amount of the storyline was concocted by them with a specific appeal intended to the Hispanic audience the two of them were the major draws for, using the sort of plotting a Mexican soap opera would have.
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Dec 13, 2018 07:06
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Literally (and I do genuinely think literally) every single time the fed exploits someone's death for heat all the brain geniuses come out of the woodwork to say "______ was a carny, they would have loved for this to happen". It makes me sick.
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Dec 13, 2018 07:33
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The Melanie Pillman interview is hands down the worst thing in the entire tournament, for me. I wouldn't necessarily call it the most immoral or unethical (though I might), but this is the "Most Disgusting" tournament and I find it uniquely revolting.
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Dec 13, 2018 14:10
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Baron La Croix posted:The Melanie Pillman interview is hands down the worst thing in the entire tournament, for me. In terms of stuff on TV, sure but I'm not sure it tops covering up a murder, that might be the finals
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Dec 13, 2018 14:24
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Charlotte being ok with and pushing for the angle doesn't forgive anything but it does solidify for me that she's carny scum. But good lord how can you not vote for the Pillman angle? (I'm not judging you if you didn't)
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