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Piell posted:Maybe gently caress off with your concern trolling though It’s not concern trolling to point out it’s entirely possible this is a coincidence. I can’t judge the actual odds of the coincidence since I don’t know enough, but there’s no reason for us to let our imaginations run wild when there’s already lots of good evidence of bad poo poo.
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At the very least the $25m inauguration expenditure that is so out of line with previous inaugurations suggests that someone violated government procurement rules, though I'm guessing that poo poo happens all the time and no one cares.
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Smeef posted:At the very least the $25m inauguration expenditure that is so out of line with previous inaugurations suggests that someone violated government procurement rules, though I'm guessing that poo poo happens all the time and no one cares. I think (and I don't care to actually confirm) that the inauguration committees are private, donation funded organizations, so there's no government spending rules that they could run afoul of.
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Dec 13, 2018 23:55
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Maybe Three Doors Down and Ravi Drums we’re in such high demand that Trump had to seriously overpay. Ever think of that?
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Dec 13, 2018 23:56
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Squalid posted:It’s not concern trolling to point out it’s entirely possible this is a coincidence. I can’t judge the actual odds of the coincidence since I don’t know enough, but there’s no reason for us to let our imaginations run wild when there’s already lots of good evidence of bad poo poo. Giving Trump the benefit of the doubt with regards to having not committed a crime is stupid
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Dec 13, 2018 23:58
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Squalid posted:It’s not concern trolling to point out it’s entirely possible this is a coincidence. I can’t judge the actual odds of the coincidence since I don’t know enough, but there’s no reason for us to let our imaginations run wild when there’s already lots of good evidence of bad poo poo. They, and to an extent I, are not even suggesting it's a coincidence - of course Trump did a crime. He does lots. I'm just saying it's a """coincidence"""
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Dec 13, 2018 23:59
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:So on a scale of 10 to 11 how hella illegal is that? It's actually very cool and very legal.
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Dec 13, 2018 23:59
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at this point, assuming the bad poo poo is the most logical conclusion, and attempting to suspend judgement given the way things have gone is pure idealistic naivete
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Dec 14, 2018 00:00
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My guess is that the 26 mil payment to Melania's friend has more to do with the actual investigation than the Hargrove thing. Seems more like the usual chance for grift. I just wouldn't be surprised at "eh, gently caress it, let's just say it was something else or lie about the numbers" being the actual logic employed. And of course, Lemming posted:Giving Trump the benefit of the doubt with regards to having not committed a crime is stupid
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Dec 14, 2018 00:01
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Those spoon-playing Youtubers charged a fortune for Fight Song.
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Dec 14, 2018 00:01
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https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1073351778014511104
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Dec 14, 2018 00:05
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Maybe Three Doors Down and Ravi Drums we’re in such high demand that Trump had to seriously overpay. Ever think of that? I mean, if I had $25 million to spend, and 3 Doors Down said they wanted 20 of that, and the next act on the list willing to play the Inauguration was Puddle of Mudd, I’d pay the 20
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Dec 14, 2018 00:06
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Trump got owned by the GOP-majority Senate.
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Dec 14, 2018 00:09
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Unfortunately, that die hard concrete 38% are the people who show up to vote and elect presidents while democrats sit at home and pine for Super Bernie Sanders Turbo Game of the Year Edition Remastered, so don’t count Trump out just yet.
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Dec 14, 2018 00:09
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Don't Chief of Staffs need to have security clearance? Seems like a bit of an issue for old Kushner
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Dec 14, 2018 00:10
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The Glumslinger posted:Don't Chief of Staffs need to have security clearance? Seems like a bit of an issue for old Kushner Trump pissed and screeched until everyone decided Kush’s security clearance was another thing that didn’t matter, so he’s cool now.
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Dec 14, 2018 00:11
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nine-gear crow posted:Trump pissed and screeched until everyone decided Kush’s security clearance was another thing that didn’t matter, so he’s cool now. Yeah, I'm gonna guess that some Democratic lead House Committee is gonna take a look into that shitshow
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Dec 14, 2018 00:13
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Lemming posted:Giving Trump the benefit of the doubt with regards to having not committed a crime is stupid I'm not sure I even understand what you mean by benefit of the doubt here. When I see posts like this I'm reminded of this article, about how Trump supporters fall for fake news. I often ask myself: do I believe something because I have seen a substantial body of evidence that supports and points towards an idea, or do I believe it because it feels true. the woman in the article believes the story about Michele Obama giving Trump the finger because she feels Mrs. Obama disrespects Trump and the country. The fact of the disrespect is the important thing anyway, why worry about the specific details? Trump is fundamentally corrupt and that's the important thing to get right anyway, so of course this specific $25 million that was misused in this specific way, and if it wasn't, well the essence of corruption was the real issue anyway so why worry about the specific details? Well I think that's the wrong way to make sense of the world. I prefer to feel nothing at all about that which can be empirically verified, at least when trying to determine if it is true or not. Personally I prefer to believe as little as possible. Regarding Trump's inaugural funds, there's so many ways fraud could have been committed, or funds could have been legally abused, it's just silly to make any assumptions about specific facts without a lot more evidence than is now available.
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Dec 14, 2018 00:15
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skeleton warrior posted:I mean, if I had $25 million to spend, and 3 Doors Down said they wanted 20 of that, and the next act on the list willing to play the Inauguration was Puddle of Mudd, I’d pay the 20 Ugh, can't you just skip the music at that point? Silence is objectively preferable to buttrock
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Dec 14, 2018 00:16
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Squalid posted:I'm not sure I even understand what you mean by benefit of the doubt here. When I see posts like this I'm reminded of this article, about how Trump supporters fall for fake news. Or, you could use pattern recognition to predict results.
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Dec 14, 2018 00:17
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I missed this loving detail https://twitter.com/rebeccaballhaus/status/1073329348755767303
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Dec 14, 2018 00:19
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Spun Dog posted:Or, you could use pattern recognition to predict results. I mean, that's only enough to say it's in the realm of possibility. It's also entirely possible that a company might take 25 million but not want to advertise it's association with Trump.
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Dec 14, 2018 00:21
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TGLT posted:I mean, that's only enough to say it's in the realm of possibility. It's also entirely possible that a company might take 25 million but not want to advertise it's association with Trump. I don't think this Hargrove company has anything to do with this for what that's worth. I think the 26M to Melania's buddy might be where the smoke comes from.
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Dec 14, 2018 00:23
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Ripoff posted:“poo poo! gently caress! They caught us crime-ing again! Someone do something bigoted and lovely to get the media off our tracks!” Pretty much this has been a pretty bad couple of days for Donny Two Scoops and so of course they're taking another run at the transgender people and god drat decades old war refugees.
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Dec 14, 2018 00:23
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Squalid posted:I'm not sure I even understand what you mean by benefit of the doubt here. When I see posts like this I'm reminded of this article, about how Trump supporters fall for fake news. The difference is that no one is saying for certain that Trump misused the funds in this way. It's a conjecture that hasn't been tested. The conjecture is based on (a) Trump's demonstrable history of being a corrupt dumbass who does poo poo so blatantly illegal and (b) a few relatively strange observations about the inauguration funds. If it turns out that there's a reasonable explanation for the strange observations (e.g., Trump is in fact a poo poo negotiator and accepted the first outrageous quote that the company offered, which coincidentally was the same as his settlement) or that the observations were bullshit, then I don't think anyone in this thread is going to ignore that and say "yeah but I still feel like Trump did something wrong!" None of that is true for the example you gave about Michelle Obama. She would still believe that nonsense even if you showed her clear evidence to the contrary.
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Dec 14, 2018 00:24
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Squalid posted:I'm not sure I even understand what you mean by benefit of the doubt here. When I see posts like this I'm reminded of this article, about how Trump supporters fall for fake news. I don't think anyone is dropping confetti in the air in the thread or anything. But given Trump's record of corruption and crime, and doing things like using charities to pay off debts etc.. This fits into a pattern of behavior and is kind of hilarious. Trump is also so bad at crimes that it's not beyond belief he was like I need 25M, bill this thing for 25M. Conservatives largely are indoctrinated with beliefs than look for data to support those beliefs, with liberals it tends to be more or less the opposite.
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Dec 14, 2018 00:25
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skeleton warrior posted:I mean, if I had $25 million to spend, and 3 Doors Down said they wanted 20 of that, and the next act on the list willing to play the Inauguration was Puddle of Mudd, I’d pay the 20 Probably the safer bet, seeing as how Puddle of Mudd and Wes Scantlin in particlar have trouble getting through donestic flights without being arrested or going missing. This is a thing that keeps happening to Wes Scantlin. I'm serious. Google it.
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Dec 14, 2018 00:25
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Spun Dog posted:I don't think this Hargrove company has anything to do with this for what that's worth. I think the 26M to Melania's buddy might be where the smoke comes from. Oh for sure there's more likely than not something shady going on with the inauguration fund even if the Hargrove company thing is a big nothing.
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Dec 14, 2018 00:26
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Spun Dog posted:Or, you could use pattern recognition to predict results. I’m sure that would be fairly reliable for lawyers or forensic accounts specialized in financial crimes with years of experience. Two things I am not.
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Dec 14, 2018 00:28
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The Hargrove thing seems silly to me because the only real evidence that it's murky is that the payment is large and they don't list it on their website. It's possible that some companies don't want to have 'WE DID A THING FOR TRUMP' listed, because it is (rightly) a shameful thing to admit. Then we're just left with it being large, which could just mean Trump made a bad deal. Which is clearly impossible.
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Squalid posted:I'm not sure I even understand what you mean by benefit of the doubt here. When I see posts like this I'm reminded of this article, about how Trump supporters fall for fake news. He habitually commits major crimes because he's a criminal. You don't have enough evidence to say for sure any given crime was committed in a specific fashion (ie that particular payment) but I don't need to pretend that if his inauguration that was like 4x as expensive as the last one is under investigation then he 1000% committed a ton of crimes and going "uh, excuse me, sir, SIR, you don't know for SURE he committed a crime!!" is a waste of breath, time, and brain cells.
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Squalid posted:I'm not sure I even understand what you mean by benefit of the doubt here. When I see posts like this I'm reminded of this article, about how Trump supporters fall for fake news. You initially checked employee A out, even though your intuition doubted they would do such a thing. Nothing turned up. That customer still makes the accusations, and you've kept a certain amount of due diligence to check in on it, but nothing ever comes of it and everyone knows the score. You also have a different regular customer, who tells you every visit that they saw employee B stealing. Employee B has definitely had a lot of shrinkage and short tills surrounding them. People who worked with Employee B at past jobs say they definitely have stolen poo poo from before. Hell you've even caught them red-handed before/during/after being informed by the customer that employee B is stealing. You cannot fire employee B because it breaks the framing of this metaphor. Making assumptions about the next time the first or second employee gets ratted on is not stupid. Or at the least it's an order of magnitude less stupid than treating both with the same weight of doubts.
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Squalid posted:I’m sure that would be fairly reliable for lawyers or forensic accounts specialized in financial crimes with years of experience. Two things I am not. You must be a lovely driver.
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Crow Jane posted:Ugh, can't you just skip the music at that point? Silence is objectively preferable to buttrock The problem is, if you don’t play music, then you get to hear the crowd chatter The chatter of the crowd willing to come out to celebrate Trump nine-gear crow posted:Probably the safer bet, seeing as how Puddle of Mudd and Wes Scantlin in particlar have trouble getting through donestic flights without being arrested or going missing. I have, in fact, just spent several minutes reading trashy rock zines being snarky about Scantlin and it is hilarious I like that his band walked out on him in the middle of a performance, but then showed up as normal to the next one, because I guess they’d hoped he’d learned his lesson?
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The suspicious thing is that the Trump Inauguration Fund paid 5x the Obama rate to a production company, and said production company doesn't even acknowledge that they did anything. Either the Inauguration Fund, a charity organization, didn't actually spend a quarter of their money on a production company and the claimed payment is fake - Almost Certainly What Happened - or the guys who did the Obama Inauguration quoted 5x their regular rate to Trump and are so embarrassed about the job that they won't list it as something they handled - Almost Certainly Not What Happened, But Possible. Considering the history of the Trump Foundation and the current criminal investigation, I really don't think the $25M invoice is legit.
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Crow Jane posted:Ugh, can't you just skip the music at that point? Silence is objectively preferable to buttrock Know your audience!
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I think you people are missing the obvious part of what makes this whole thing fishy. The claim from the Trump administration is that they paid someone for work done.
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skeleton warrior posted:The problem is, if you don’t play music, then you get to hear the crowd chatter
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pseudanonymous posted:I don't think anyone is dropping confetti in the air in the thread or anything. But given Trump's record of corruption and crime, and doing things like using charities to pay off debts etc.. This fits into a pattern of behavior and is kind of hilarious. Trump is also so bad at crimes that it's not beyond belief he was like I need 25M, bill this thing for 25M. Conservatives largely are indoctrinated with beliefs than look for data to support those beliefs, with liberals it tends to be more or less the opposite. Yeah, and notice in my first posts on this subject on the other page I was actually encouraging wild speculation about what might have happened. It's interesting and useful to explore what was going on here, which is so obviously shady. Remember the context of my comments: Piel was calling someone a troll and telling them to gently caress off for pointing out that the specific theories regarding the Hargrove were circumstantial and not yet supported by collaborating evidence. It's fun and interesting to explore what might have happen. Trying to shut people down though for being realistic however, is WRONG. We have to be able to acknowledge our own limitations. If we can't we're no different than that sad Nevada lady scrolling through brietbart in her trailer.
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