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Tibalt posted:The suspicious thing is that the Trump Inauguration Fund paid 5x the Obama rate to a production company, and said production company doesn't even acknowledge that they did anything. How dare you proceed with these scurrilous accusations. Have you no shame. Have you no dignity. Our big wet president's honesty is unimpeachable.
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https://twitter.com/Grace_Segers/status/1073339417698422785 Sure gently caress it, why not. He's been everything else at this point.
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Squalid posted:Yeah, and notice in my first posts on this subject on the other page I was actually encouraging wild speculation about what might have happened. It's interesting and useful to explore what was going on here, which is so obviously shady. Remember the context of my comments: Piel was calling someone a troll and telling them to gently caress off for pointing out that the specific theories regarding the Hargrove were circumstantial and not yet supported by collaborating evidence. It's fun and interesting to explore what might have happen. Trying to shut people down though for being realistic however, is WRONG. We have to be able to acknowledge our own limitations. If we can't we're no different than that sad Nevada lady scrolling through brietbart in her trailer. It's more that they compared Trump to George Soros in terms of being called out for crimes. Trump has very obviously committed many crimes very similar to what is speculated to have happened here. Pretending that the idea that he might have done this as well was somehow crazy is what I was annoyed about.
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Sir Lemming posted:Depends on whether homophobia alone qualifies you as conservative. nah, skynyrd went full bad you’re thinking of the allman brothers
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Grapplejack posted:https://twitter.com/Grace_Segers/status/1073339417698422785 that seems like a really dumb move but loving who cares. nine-gear crow posted:Unfortunately, that die hard concrete 38% are the people who show up to vote and elect presidents while democrats sit at home and pine for Super Bernie Sanders Turbo Game of the Year Edition Remastered, so don’t count Trump out just yet. no, there will be massive democratic turnout. we had election levels voting for the midterms. sure there will be purity types but as long as its not clinton again some how, they will get the votes.
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no one cares anymore. everyone knows they won't do anything and thats its giant dumbass game for them, hell even when they had the power to do so, they hosed about and wasted money and time.
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enraged_camel posted:Trump got owned by the GOP-majority Senate. The House can't vote on this until January, right? Grapplejack posted:https://twitter.com/Grace_Segers/status/1073339417698422785 He's actually commanding Jared to take the job after everybody else said "no". Lycus fucked around with this message at 00:57 on Dec 14, 2018 |
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The weirdest thing to me about Q anon is it seems like most of what they accuse Democrats of doing... Trump is actually doing. Friends with a pedophile ring organizer, traitor, incompetent etc.. The amount of projection is just kind of mind blowing.
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pseudanonymous posted:The weirdest thing to me about Q anon is it seems like most of what they accuse Democrats of doing... Trump is actually doing. Friends with a pedophile ring organizer, traitor, incompetent etc.. The amount of projection is just kind of mind blowing. 
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Dec 14, 2018 01:04
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Squalid posted:I'm not sure I even understand what you mean by benefit of the doubt here. When I see posts like this I'm reminded of this article, about how Trump supporters fall for fake news.
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Tibalt posted:or the guys who did the Obama Inauguration quoted 5x their regular rate to Trump and are so embarrassed about the job that they won't list it as something they handled - Almost Certainly Not What Happened, But Possible. This is super possible? People are ripping trumps name off buildings, why would you brag about that poo poo on your website? They probably quoted high because I suspect their staff was not as happy to work for the first openly nazi manbaby president as the first black president.
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Tibalt posted:The suspicious thing is that the Trump Inauguration Fund paid 5x the Obama rate to a production company, and said production company doesn't even acknowledge that they did anything. It is possible Hargrove quoted them an exorbitant large round price with the expectation that the committee wouldn't go with them, but then turned out that nobody else would even call back so they got the bid. Being associated with Trump is bad for business so it wouldn't be a surprise that they wouldn't feature it on the website. But then again Trump has used "charitable" organizations to pay off his legal judgements in the past so this being a scam is quite possible.
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Piell posted:It's more that they compared Trump to George Soros in terms of being called out for crimes. Trump has very obviously committed many crimes very similar to what is speculated to have happened here. Pretending that the idea that he might have done this as well was somehow crazy is what I was annoyed about. Fair enough, I think I read a little less into coffeetable's post than you and it just sounded like a suggestion not to let our imaginations run too wild. I'm sensitive when I hear anyone trying to shut people out of the conversation, and I don't even really know what people mean most of the time when they throw around phrases like "concern trolling." I often ask myself what is it that separates us from the weirdos screaming Hillary for prison and fake news. Ultimately we have to be willing to check ourselves, and remember that we have to be able to distinguish that which we want to be true, from that which is. That means listening to diverse opinions, and applying critical reasoning, and not just going with what feels right. If we're too vigorous trying to shut people saying things we don't want to hear out of the conversation, group-think will set in and we risk becoming completely detached from reality. I mean we could just all agree that Trump has committed all of the crimes, all of them, and close the thread. I think the fun part though is working out which specific crimes, and what evidence there is which prosecutors can use to convict him.
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Shifty Pony posted:It is possible Hargrove quoted them an exorbitant large round price with the expectation that the committee wouldn't go with them, but then turned out that nobody else would even call back so they got the bid. Being associated with Trump is bad for business so it wouldn't be a surprise that they wouldn't feature it on the website. Although it would be incredibly loving lol that the President who sold himself on the ability to make great deals was so toxic he paid 5x the going rate for event staff. Squalid posted:I mean we could just all agree that Trump has committed all of the crimes, all of them, and close the thread. I think the fun part though is working out which specific crimes, and what evidence there is which prosecutors can use to convict him. He is an omnishambles.
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mdemone posted:What could these targets have in common I'm not sure they're necessarily as focused as the MAGAbomber. One of the sites that got a threat was an office park that my company has a satellite office at. It's just random contractors, and not all of them government contractors. This may just be a random ransom bomb attempt.
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Grapplejack posted:https://twitter.com/Grace_Segers/status/1073339417698422785 Remember about 78 years back when he was going to fix Israel/Palestine?
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I mean, my assumption based on the tweet is that Trump needed a "legit" place to say he sent $25 million instead of the settlement, so he just looked up Obama's inauguration and said "Who did he get to do his event? Just put them down" Which would be dumb if anyone ever asked Hargrove if they happened to get a random 25m check from Donald Trump for no reason
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The Glumslinger posted:https://twitter.com/samueloakford/status/1073327406784634880 Trump and Jared are in full violation of the Antideficiency Act
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Party Plane Jones posted:https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1073337143081218056 Oh holy poo poo. So I work next to Hargrove a lot. They’re a carpentry/decor company that does the DC convention center and other big event halls. Normal company. When the inauguration hits, it takes over the whole town in terms of staging, event management, and everything you can see from there. Them being hired is normal and contractually required for a lot of the buildings. Was 2013 20% smaller? gently caress no it was not. It still took over the whole convention center. Nobody really got more hours in 2017 vs 2013. It’s a huge couple of weeks. But I don’t know where the other $20 million goes. EXCEPT. Hargrove got bought in the last year by PSAV, a national staging company. You know who owns PSAV? Bain loving Capital. Oh my god we’re going to laugh about this forever.
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Easy Diff posted:Although it would be incredibly loving lol that the President who sold himself on the ability to make great deals was so toxic he paid 5x the going rate for event staff. Seriously, he's spent an entire lifetime evading taxes, committing conspiracy to evade US sanctions, mob affiliations, fraud, rape, etc, etc. It's like a cabal of Wall Street executives met at the top of the Empire States building one dark night and exercised all their vices and personal demons into a big fat sack of poo poo. Maybe the biggest eye opener for me of his campaign is just how few crimes the IRS and FBI and cops actually catch. I mean a guy like Manafort spent years running what seems to me like the most blatant criminal enterprise imaginable, and nobody ever even looked into it until he was literally running the Republican Presidential campaign. If anyone had ever gotten around to actually looking at what these fat cats were doing they'd all have been locked away decades ago.
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Easy Diff posted:A friend taught me to do this when freelancing - if you really don't want the gig due to a nightmare client, quote them 4-5x your rate. Then either they take the hint, or you get a nice bottle of scotch. It is pretty universal I think, especially in contracting. It can backfire when nobody else the client calls even calls back and they end up taking your bid by default, but like you said at least you make a good return on it. I distinctly remember that Trump was having trouble getting anyone to sign onto the inauguration so I can believe that they ended up getting soaked on the event just because they had no other choice. Data Graham posted:I mean, my assumption based on the tweet is that Trump needed a "legit" place to say he sent $25 million instead of the settlement, so he just looked up Obama's inauguration and said "Who did he get to do his event? Just put them down" That's one reason I don't buy this being fraud and suspect it was a "gently caress you" bid gone wrong: a lot of news orgs were looking into the inauguration spending and someone had to have called Hargrove and asked why they charged $25M. If they didn't actually charge that much or didn't do the work they probably would have gone to the authorities so that they don't end up looking like co-conspirators to fraud.
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Crow Jane posted:It's not like anyone's shocked that Trump, or rich people and politicians in general, get up to a lot of sketchy rear end financial stuff. It's just that he's sooo loving bad at it it's almost unbelievable. Remember when Manafort couldn't stop doing crimes even after he made a deal with prosecutors? It kind of sums up the whole Trump experience for me.
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The Glumslinger posted:https://twitter.com/samueloakford/status/1073327406784634880 *Trump tweets again bitching about Europeans not giving us money that they don't actually owe us.*
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moostaffa posted:Tax cuts are paying off This is the unironic view of the right. The more they gently caress up US finances, the more they can justify gutting social services.
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Shifty Pony posted:I distinctly remember that Trump was having trouble getting anyone to sign onto the inauguration so I can believe that they ended up getting soaked on the event just because they had no other choice.
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Chimp_On_Stilts posted:This is the unironic view of the right. Starve The Beast
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:I wonder if Democrats could make Trumps life a living hell with investigations that he does not want to run again. Or resigns, like Palin.
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Crow Jane posted:Were Ted Nugent and/or Kid Rock busy? It's not like it'd be possible to make the event any less classy Nugent was prepared, in case Trump tried to draft him: quote:I ceased cleansing my body. No more brushing my teeth, no more washing my hair, no baths, no soap, no water. Thirty days of debris build. I stopped shavin’, had a little scraggly beard, really looked like a hippie. I had long hair, and it started gettin’ kinky, matted up. Then two weeks before, I stopped eating any food with nutritional value. I just had chips, Pepsi, beer-stuff I never touched-buttered poop, little jars of Polish sausages, and I’d drink the syrup, I was this side of death, Then a week before, I stopped going to the bathroom. I did it in my pants. poop, piss the whole shot. My pants got crusted up.
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