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Nelson Mandingo posted:More than that, the FBI did studies on this. They basically came to the conclusion in the 1940's that torture doesn't work to gather information. There's a story by Kurt Eichenwald in his book 500 Days, about the Bush presidency and the War on Terror, talking the interrogation of Ibn al-Sheyk al-Libi, who ran a jihadist training camp in Afghanistan when he was captured by American forces. When he was a prisoner at Bagram, he was interrogated by the FBI. He was a devout Muslim, one of the FBI agents was an evangelical Christian, and the two of then found common ground talking about God, and comparing and debating Christianity and Islam, and they got to trust each other. The FBI started talking about the possibility of getting his family to the US, and he started talking about the structure of al-Qaeda in Afghanistan, the relationship between al-Qaeda and other jihadist groups, and warned them about a terrorist attack on a US embassy. Then the CIA got involved. "Look", they said. We know he's holding out on us. He keeps denying a relationship between bin Laden and Sadaam. The FBI is mishandling this", and so on, until they got custody. They sent hi. to Egypt, where he was tortured until he said that Sadaam was working with bin Laden, and that was part of the evidence the government used to support the invasion of Iraq. Torture works very well to gather information if you already have decided what information you want. Just not so much if you care if that information is true.
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The Senate votes to overturn Trump donor disclosure rule. It is ridiculous that a bill like this barely squeaks by, and obviously even if the House picks it up next year and it passes the Senate again, there's no way they'll get the votes for an almost-certain veto. The gall of painting this as "anti-privacy" is ... well, not surprising. Mitch can go gently caress himself. Again. And again.
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TheMadMilkman posted:I used to attend church with one of the lawyers that helped draft the torture memos. To hear him talk, what they did was absolutely vital to the survival of our country. If I was the person whose job it was was to find the legal grounds to torture people, I'd probably come up with a myriad of reasons why I'm not the true monster too.
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Prosecutors Announce Deal With Tabloid Company in Trump Hush-Money Inquiryquote:Federal prosecutors took a major step on Wednesday in their investigation of hush-money payments made to two women who said they had affairs with Donald J. Trump, announcing that The National Enquirer’s parent company was cooperating. Obviously, this was being held until the Cohen sentencing. Another brick in the wall.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:I knew the guy who authored the main CIA text on the subject that was widely distributed in latin american and it was absolutely about terror first and foremost. The US has always used terror and extreme brutality as part of the international toolbook, but it was still pragmatically understood that if you did need information, tossing 1/3 of your prisoners out of helicopters wasn't the best way to get it This CIA sabotage manual looks as though it would be at least as good against capitalist bosses... https://herb.ashp.cuny.edu/items/show/1579  
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Mister Mind posted:This CIA sabotage manual looks as though it would be at least as good against capitalist bosses... poo poo, aside from hoarding government food and leaving that taps on that thing fits me to a T. Am I a resistance fighter?
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Sabotage marxism by doing things everyone routinely does in capitalist economies.
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Leave the toilet seat up! Dirty dishes in the sink! Drink right out of the milk carton! "No, honey, I swear - I'm just doing my part to bring down the oppressive government!"
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youre a treasure ppj
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But when Wall Street folks do it...
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More good news. Charlottesville Jury Recommends 419 Years Plus Life For Neo-Nazi Who Killed Protester.
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tetrapyloctomy posted:More good news. Charlottesville Jury Recommends 419 Years Plus Life For Neo-Nazi Who Killed Protester. I think 148 and 8 months would have sent a stronger message.
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HootTheOwl posted:I think 148 and 8 months would have sent a stronger message. I dunno, 419 is a good message regarding the entire alt-right platform.
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https://twitter.com/renato_mariotti/status/1073269325958668289  Just being a supportive boyfriend and helping proof-read your girlfriends spy documents
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The 111th Congress rounded out their lame duck by repealing don't ask don't tell, extending unemployment benefits, and expanding children's nutrition. The 115th Congress seems to be bitterly slinking out out of DC like petulant children leaving a government shutdown on the table.
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The Glumslinger posted:https://twitter.com/renato_mariotti/status/1073269325958668289 On the one hand I'm impressed that she got so far, but on the other, could she really not cover her tracks a little better?
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https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1073313287578763274 Bitcoin is in the news again.
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Multiple, as in scores and scores. My daughter’s school wasn’t hit but my friend’s was, and the hotel down the road was too apparently because there were cops blocking traffic in every direction. Surprised something like this didn’t happen sooner. The shotgun method with emails is really effective, if only for disruption
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Rigel posted:On the one hand I'm impressed that she got so far, but on the other, could she really not cover her tracks a little better? I think easily discovered corruption among American politicians is a feature, not a bug.
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"Misspent" is a wonderful euphemism for "embezzled".
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being an SDNY AUSA must be a loving great gig right around now, shooting fish in a barrel overstates how hard this must be
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evilweasel posted:being an SDNY AUSA must be a loving great gig right around now, shooting fish in a barrel overstates how hard this must be Reminder that this is Preet Bhera's old office
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The gap in competence between the Cosa Nostra that some of these guys grew up prosecuting, and the Trump criminal enterprise of sub-moronic shitnuts fuckbirds they have to deal with now, is truly beyond all comprehension.
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God there’s been so much bullshit flying around that i guess i’m not surprised that i’m just now remembering this but jesus: was any explanation given for the group of republican congressmen making a sudden unannounced trip to moscow? that sort of just happened and we all forgot about it a week later
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evilweasel posted:being an SDNY AUSA must be a loving great gig right around now, shooting fish in a barrel overstates how hard this must be Are you kidding? Look at all the god drat crimes they have to work on. That has to be the hardest job in the government right now. Investigating Obama, that was easy. You could take long lunches at the Tortilla Coast, just do whatever. Hell, Issa and all that crew had to keep writing up fan fiction just to look busy.
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Given how bad and illegal most of the advice he's given has been, this could be a disaster for Trump https://twitter.com/aterkel/status/1073337153676034054
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Ceiling fan posted:Are you kidding? Look at all the god drat crimes they have to work on. That has to be the hardest job in the government right now. This is hard, but less in a "Super detailed forensic accounting" way, and more in a "You have to do data entry all ALL THIS EVIDENCE and figure out which of the 187 potential charges it could apply to" way.
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I’ll have you know that’s NOTHING compared to how many membership dues the rest of NATO owes us
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sean10mm posted:The gap in competence between the Cosa Nostra that some of these guys grew up prosecuting, and the Trump criminal enterprise of sub-moronic shitnuts fuckbirds they have to deal with now, is truly beyond all comprehension. The guys who prosecuted LCN in their hay day are long gone. Turnover at SDNY is pretty high, honestly. Though AUSA turnover countrywide is a lot higher than most Americans probably realize.
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Charlz Guybon posted:Given how bad and illegal most of the advice he's given has been, this could be a disaster for Trump How  LII posted:(b) A public official may not appoint, employ, promote, advance, or advocate for appointment, employment, promotion, or advancement, in or to a civilian position in the agency in which he is serving or over which he exercises jurisdiction or control any individual who is a relative of the public official. An individual may not be appointed, employed, promoted, or advanced in or to a civilian position in an agency if such appointment, employment, promotion, or advancement has been advocated by a public official, serving in or exercising jurisdiction or control over the agency, who is a relative of the individual.
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He's already violated this by sticking Jarvanka in the White House as "advisors". This would only be a greater degree of the same offense. Gingrich would be the worst pick, even worse I think than Jared. Not only is Gingrich smarter than Trump, he's more ambitious and just as much of a fame whore if not even more so than Trump. He wouldn't last a single Scaramucci before Trump got pissed at Newt stealing his headlines.
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Zwabu posted:Gingrich would be the worst pick, even worse I think than Jared. Not only is Gingrich smarter than Trump, he's more ambitious and just as much of a fame whore if not even more so than Trump. He wouldn't last a single Scaramucci before Trump got pissed at Newt stealing his headlines. So how is this not the best pick?
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