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fishmech posted:hmm have you tried having people abandon vast amounts of land en masse to move to cities or farmlands located a good couple hundred to couple thousand miles away and waiting 50 years? that worked really good for american reforestation
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Dec 13, 2018 06:23
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that doesn't necessarily work in arid climates fishmech. In certain circumstances saplings won't survive to adulthood without the extra shade, moisture, and humidity provided by a canopy, while severe deforestation across a region can actually reduce precipitation enough that new trees have trouble growing. When we are talking about organisms like coastal redwoods, they could have established themselves in a location thousands of years ago when the climate was radically different. Cut it down and the environment might no longer be suitable for it to replace itself. That can be true even without global warming. avshalemon posted:i now have a decent idea of the most common reforestation methods in australia and they're all hosed. they're dreamed up by white men and the only things white men can understand are machines, diesel and fields full of neat perfect rows and rows and rows of things all the way to the horizon China seems to have got pretty good with using picks and shovels, but its probably a bit easier for them to marshal labor on a large scale than for Australians. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sK8JNXHcBMA GhostofJohnMuir posted:climate change makes all of this moot anyway maybe we can plant a forest on some kind of big sled? just slide it north a kilometer a year, bing bong so simple.
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Dec 13, 2018 06:53
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replacing rainforest, artificially or naturally, seems basically impossible to my mind. the soil they grow on is so poo poo i don't even understand how they ever established
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Dec 13, 2018 06:58
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:replacing rainforest, artificially or naturally, seems basically impossible to my mind. the soil they grow on is so poo poo i don't even understand how they ever established I remember I had a textbook which described a 500 year old Panamanian forest established after smallpox killed the local cultivators as a secondary forest. Even 500 years later it was still markedly different from neighboring primary forests and was still going through succession. Of course since that book was published our understanding of succession has changed to be much less deterministic, its entirely possible that forest will never "recover" to what it was before and will instead become something different.
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Dec 13, 2018 07:14
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Squalid posted:that doesn't necessarily work in arid climates fishmech. In certain circumstances saplings won't survive to adulthood without the extra shade, moisture, and humidity provided by a canopy, while severe deforestation across a region can actually reduce precipitation enough that new trees have trouble growing. When we are talking about organisms like coastal redwoods, they could have established themselves in a location thousands of years ago when the climate was radically different. Cut it down and the environment might no longer be suitable for it to replace itself. That can be true even without global warming. it's mostly sarcastic, but we should probably expel australians from most of the land they are on for a good 50 years anyway
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Dec 13, 2018 07:27
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fishmech posted:it's mostly sarcastic, but we should probably expel australians from most of the land they are on for a good 50 years anyway I'd rather you expelled your organs from your thoracic cavity and expired like a gutted and deflated fish (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Dec 13, 2018 07:56
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Squalid posted:I'd rather you expelled your organs from your thoracic cavity and expired like a gutted and deflated fish australia needs to be put on hold until they figure out how not to eat up the entire habitable zone with the worst clones of american suburbs possible
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Dec 13, 2018 07:58
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:replacing rainforest, artificially or naturally, seems basically impossible to my mind. the soil they grow on is so poo poo i don't even understand how they ever established
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Dec 13, 2018 08:45
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Squalid posted:I'd rather you expelled your organs from your thoracic cavity and expired like a gutted and deflated fish We all will, someday.
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Dec 13, 2018 09:10
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fishmech posted:it's mostly sarcastic, but we should probably expel australians from most of the land they are on for a good 50 years anyway
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Dec 13, 2018 10:40
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https://twitter.com/cnn/status/1073165159982616577?s=21
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Dec 13, 2018 16:27
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Squalid posted:I'd rather you expelled your organs from your thoracic cavity and expired like a gutted and deflated fish my god, to think that dadchat, the originator of the fuckbarrel, has fallen to this extent
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Dec 14, 2018 03:04
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guess we better start making each other daisy crowns while singing kumbaya
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Dec 14, 2018 03:05
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Dec 14, 2018 04:06
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gojm youve been unusually pessismistic lately and I worry that your new job is giving you sadbrains
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Dec 14, 2018 04:22
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Furnaceface posted:gojm youve been unusually pessismistic lately and I worry that your new job is giving you sadbrains rural living will do that
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Dec 14, 2018 04:34
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Furnaceface posted:gojm youve been unusually pessismistic lately and I worry that your new job is giving you sadbrains possibly, but as far as ecology goes these have pretty much always been my thoughts to one extent or another. we currently face challenges that we don't even have the proper tools to comprehend, let alone meaningfully solve and there is no political or social will to take the necessary steps to rectify this. the projects i'm personally working on are going very well for the most part the paradigm shift posted:rural living will do that it's a weird mix of rural and exurban, but at least i'm not in a soulless housing track and there's decent thai and indian food
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Dec 14, 2018 04:59
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:possibly, but as far as ecology goes these have pretty much always been my thoughts to one extent or another. we currently face challenges that we don't even have the proper tools to comprehend, let alone meaningfully solve and there is no political or social will to take the necessary steps to rectify this. the projects i'm personally working on are going very well for the most part Oh Im not going to deny the fact were are failing spectacularly in the face of climate change, but I still feel like there are reasons enough to keep fighting and not lose all hope (for now). I finally watched Your Name and you know what, it deserves all the praise it got.
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Dec 14, 2018 06:35
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i got a foolproof solution to desertification 1. use a bunch of explosives or space lasers to cut a bunch of long canals from the ocean into the inland of continents; some of the ocean water will evaporate 2. build up the scattered sediment into mountain-sized mounds in order to make rain fall there so that more inland rivers form let's just gently caress up the earth whole hog. no possible side effects to this way of thinking
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Dec 14, 2018 06:46
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unlike the devil pyramids of cairo these artificial mounds will serve a real and good true purpose for the benefit of all
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Dec 14, 2018 06:47
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Furnaceface posted:Oh Im not going to deny the fact were are failing spectacularly in the face of climate change, but I still feel like there are reasons enough to keep fighting and not lose all hope (for now). it was a good film, but i'm not sure why it in particular managed to attract the attention of the public consciousness
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Dec 14, 2018 06:58
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and of course we should keep trying to limit the extent of climate change, but a lot of habitat restoration right now is built on even more assumptions and back of envelope sketches then ever and a lot of it feels like whistling in the dark
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Dec 14, 2018 07:01
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:it's a weird mix of rural and exurban, but at least i'm not in a soulless housing track and there's decent thai and indian food Looking at a job in a tiny town South Dakota town of 15k, but I would probably drink myself to death working there
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Dec 14, 2018 07:09
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:Y'all my girlfriend's coworker is recently and suddenly unemployed and deep enough in debt that homelessness is a real threat. It's two weeks before Christmas in cold rear end Syracuse new York, theyve recently come out as trans and started transitioning and just lost their access to healthcare, poo poo just absolutely sucks. If any of you can afford to chip in to this it's appreciated, if not, just signal boost it. I'm trying to help out a cool lady who needs it, who would help me if I needed it. Thanks. https://www.gofundme.com/fm4g7-support-a-sister-in-need
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Dec 14, 2018 07:35
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Not sure why we are supposed to care about this planet. I have been given assurances that Elon Musk will bring us Mars wholesale within this very decade.
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Dec 14, 2018 07:48
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it's infuriating that this is the social safety net we have in this country Randler posted:Not sure why we are supposed to care about this planet. I have been given assurances that Elon Musk will bring us Mars wholesale within this very decade. you have an entire decade to look forward to emperor musk either draining your blood to help keep his youth or using you as slave labor on the martian ganja plantations
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Dec 14, 2018 07:54
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I cook with garlic, collodial silver and water from a certain spring in France. Gonna take the Thiels down with me.
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Dec 14, 2018 07:58
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Dec 14, 2018 08:36
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Hell yeah
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Dec 14, 2018 08:41
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:you have an entire decade to look forward to emperor musk either draining your blood to help keep his youth or using you as slave labor on the martian ganja plantations I expect exmarx to have killed me before then anyway
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Dec 14, 2018 08:55
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trees
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Dec 14, 2018 09:28
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https://twitter.com/BAuldist/status/1073450836854882304
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Dec 14, 2018 10:05
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re watching spring breakers … good rear end movie
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Dec 14, 2018 11:12
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Amazing, but predictable, that the media tried to say he was the bad guy in that exchange
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Dec 14, 2018 12:07
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mandatory lesbian posted:Amazing, but predictable, that the media tried to say he was the bad guy in that exchange He was the bravest among us, then he was probably among one of the most in pain among us as George Bush had a man tortured for a personal slight.
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Dec 14, 2018 12:59
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10 years ago today https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RFH7C3vkK4
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Dec 14, 2018 13:03
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I'm too tired to dig through the US news thread, but I assume either Trump did something hugely idiotic even by his standards or the world revolution has commenced? Because them stocks are going the wrong way. 
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Dec 14, 2018 21:52
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Randler posted:I'm too tired to dig through the US news thread, but I assume either Trump did something hugely idiotic even by his standards or the world revolution has commenced? Johnson and Johnson announced they put asbestos in baby powder so that’s one stock collapse today explained
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Dec 14, 2018 21:57
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Johnson and Johnson announced they put asbestos in baby powder so that’s one stock collapse today explained Global warming can't smother this godforsaken earth soon enough.
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Dec 14, 2018 22:24
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seems weird to be mad about babies not catching on fire but whatever
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Dec 14, 2018 23:42
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