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Reign Of Pain
May 1, 2005

Nap Ghost

Shafted by god

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GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

食べちゃダメだよ

I recommend wearing ear protection for this video

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

Zil posted:

I have a feeling raising the road is not going to work here.

Icon Of Sin
Dec 26, 2008




Talk about getting railed at work :stare:

oohhboy
Jun 8, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U18EuNN2D0

Grem
Mar 29, 2004

It's how her species communicates


Stapleton airport and I-70, right?

Senor P.
Mar 27, 2006
I MUST TELL YOU HOW PEOPLE CARE ABOUT STUFF I DONT AND BE A COMPLETE CUNT ABOUT IT
No traffic? No graffiti? The cars look decent? The airplane looks great? No trash?

Is.... this an actual p-p-positive photo?

lol if you
Jun 29, 2004

I am going to remove your penis, in thin slices, like salami, just for starters.

Phanatic posted:

Always comment your code, so the root cause of malfunctions can be identified.



every project i've ever been paid to dev for i put "if you're reading this comment, i'm sorry" in there somewhere

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

Senor P. posted:

No traffic? No graffiti? The cars look decent? The airplane looks great? No trash?

Is.... this an actual p-p-positive photo?

It's from my "wholesome images from the past" folder.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
When you think about it, every image is an image from the past.

jobson groeth
May 17, 2018

by FactsAreUseless

Senor P. posted:

No traffic? No graffiti? The cars look decent? The airplane looks great? No trash?

Is.... this an actual p-p-positive photo?

No brown people either

insta
Jan 28, 2009

lol if you posted:

every project i've ever been paid to dev for i put "if you're reading this comment, i'm sorry" in there somewhere

hey you could not suck at your job thx

signed, guy who has to maintain your lovely code

cowtown
Jul 4, 2007

the cow's a friend to me

Karate Bastard
Jul 31, 2007

Soiled Meat

insta posted:

hey you could not suck at your job thx

signed, guy who has to maintain your lovely code

Lol no

schmug
May 20, 2007

insta posted:

hey you could not suck at your job thx

signed, guy who has to maintain your lovely code

and then what would we need you for, buddy boy? It's the circle of life, really.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule



Fly like a G6

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4s6H4ku6ZY

OrthoTrot
Dec 10, 2006
Its either Trotsky or its Notsky
I’ve not written anything for a while about trains.  Thought I’d do something now as a really interesting report was published recently into a collision at Waterloo.  

People may remember I wrote about the Clapham Junction accident of 12 December 1988.  We’ve just passed the 30 year anniversary of it. And lo and behold to mark the occasion we have a report into an incident with worrying similarities.  In theory the Clapham Junction accident recommendations should have made this years’ Waterloo incident impossible. The fact therefore that it happened at all raises some serious questions.

At 05:42 on Tuesday 15th August this year a passenger train left Waterloo at 15mph.  It was routed onto the Up Relief over points 1524 – specifically their “C” end.  As the train approached the points the driver saw they weren’t actually set. He applied the emergency brakes but couldn’t stop the train before reaching them.  The front carriage went the wrong way over the junction and collided with the freight train stabled on the adjacent line at 13mph. No one was hurt.

Not exactly a big deal really, except for the fact that the signal box had all the lights and indications on their panels that 1524 points were set for the Up Relief line.  Somewhere between the wiring in their panel, with the buttons they push to set the routes, and the physical motors that push the points one way or the other something was not right.  That error had quite small consequences here but it is basically the same type of error as caused the Clapham Junction crash that killed 35 people. Hundreds of pages of procedures exist now to make that error impossible.

Clapham Junction was caused by wiring errors in the Waterloo resignalling project of the mid to late 1980s.  The latest Waterloo accident was caused by wiring errors in the current resignalling project for the same area.  30 years on and everything needs replacing again. In particular platforms are being extended at Waterloo to allow longer trains to keep up with passenger numbers.  This requires moving a lot of pointwork, which in turn requires moving the signals that protect those points and the wires and relays that control those signals. So there was a huge blockade of large sections of Waterloo station and the approach to it in August this year.

In order to allow the necessary work to go on in the months up to and following that blockade a test deck was constructed that would simulate the inputs and outputs of the wiring as it was being installed.  Spur wires were added in the relay room while testing was carried out so that indications were sent to the test deck. A “principles tester” sat with the deck in Wimbledon signal box. They would call up each one of the numerous routes possible in and out of Waterloo and check to see if the indications received were correct.  The points on the ground would not physically move during this. The plan was then that the test deck would be removed when the track was returned to normal operation.

When testing 1524 points the principles tester found they did not get detection on their panel.  The circuits that showed whether the motors had done their job (or simulated it in this case) were not feeding correctly back to the panel.  The principles tester called up their colleague in the relay room – the “functional tester”. The functional tester, in contravention of every principle in the rulebook, went and added some wires to fix the problem.  They got detection. The testing was later completed and in the morning of 15th August the track was handed back.

However the wires added by the functional tester were added to the bits and pieces remaining in place in the relay room, not to the stuff being disconnected when the test deck was removed. And the wires they added had the unintended consequence of causing C end of 1524 points to give detection when they were only swung halfway across.  At that point the motors would stop, leaving the points “split” on the ground but showing as set correctly in Wimbledon signal box.

The tester should not have been adding wires at all.  One of the conclusions of Clapham Junction was that all resignalling wiring work should be tested by someone other than the person doing it.  So no tester should ever make alterations, as how can they then test it. Two electricians were also on duty in the relay room and the functional tester gave evidence that the problematic wiring was actually added by them.  They denied it, and the sign in sheet shows they were probably both out at lunch when it happened. When questioned about the consequence of adding the wires in the locations in question the functional tester showed worrying gaps in knowledge.

The wiring installed should have been labelled and it was not.  When the track was handed back a wire count should have been done – this in particular was a key requirement from Clapham.  But the entire exercise of using a test deck, which is accepted industry wide for large projects, makes a wire count impossible as the wiring to put it in and take it out has to remain in place for a long time, and is not shown on the diagram the count is conducted off.

The functional tester was not a Network Rail employee.  They were employed by an external contractor, whose competency management processes were called into question.  Their assessment regime had not picked up the holes in the functional tester’s knowledge. More worryingly it had not picked up gaps in their “soft skills” – i.e. the ability to sit back and have a think before just going and doing whatever worked to solve the immediate problem.  The tester had lost their licence to work in that role in the past for contravening signalling standards, and the training plan that allowed them to regain the necessary qualifications hadn’t properly addressed their shortcomings.

We have hundreds of procedures, requirements, qualifications, and standards to prevent what happened at Clapham.  It shouldn’t be possible for someone with limited knowledge to just walk into a relay room and create unsafe situations.  But if the companies assessing those doing that work are deficient then we have a problem. If Network Rail has no oversight over those companies and their assessment processes we have a problem. And if large scale projects are consistently planned on the basis of non-compliance then we have a problem.

In their investigation into this the RAIB has made the point that a large part of why the recommendations from Clapham have worked is the industry wide willingness to abide by them.  This in turn is driven by some quite vivid memories of the consequences of not doing so. In 30 years that has eroded. No amount of processes are going to do the job without individual and organisational will behind them.  It will be interesting to see if near misses are enough to refresh that will.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/report-192018-collision-at-london-waterloo

Cthulu Carl
Apr 16, 2006


New Zealand?

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 9 hours!

Eh, Schiphol airport Amsterdam has that too.

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

when nobody remembers why certain things are important, they stop being done. Even if they are effective, and especially if they are effective.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

Senor P. posted:

No traffic? No graffiti? The cars look decent? The airplane looks great? No trash?

Is.... this an actual p-p-positive photo?

Off-camera: a segregated school and back alley abortions.

Cthulu Carl
Apr 16, 2006

mlmp08 posted:

Off-camera: a segregated school and back alley abortions.

Also probably a fair bit of Polio

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

spankmeister posted:

Eh, Schiphol airport Amsterdam has that too.



As does the airport in Atlanta. Seems pretty common.

Evilreaver
Feb 26, 2007

GEORGE IS GETTIN' AUGMENTED!
Dinosaur Gum

Captain Foo posted:

when nobody remembers why certain things are important, they stop being done. Even if they are effective, and especially if they are effective.

Humans legit forgot the cure to scurvy for a while :science:

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Senor P. posted:

No traffic? No graffiti? The cars look decent? The airplane looks great? No trash?

Is.... this an actual p-p-positive photo?

look at this nerd who doesn't like graffiti :rolleyes:

duz
Jul 11, 2005

Come on Ilhan, lets go bag us a shitpost


Evilreaver posted:

Humans legit forgot the cure to scurvy for a while :science:

Mankind has forgotten it multiple times.

Mozi
Apr 4, 2004

Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die
Nap Ghost
vitamin c is a liberal hoax!

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

Mozi posted:

vitamin c is a liberal hoax!

vitamin c causes autism

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013




Keep these coming. I really enjoy reading these.

Burt Sexual
Jan 26, 2006

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Switchblade Switcharoo

chitoryu12 posted:

As does the airport in Atlanta. Seems pretty common.

As does ORD.

jobson groeth
May 17, 2018

by FactsAreUseless
SYD represent

null_pointer
Nov 9, 2004

Center in, pull back. Stop. Track 45 right. Stop. Center and stop.

jobson groeth posted:

SYD represent



STOP ON RED SIGNAL POLLUTION OR FIRE HAZARD WE'RE NOT SURE WHICH

jeffery
Jan 1, 2013

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003

OrthoTrot posted:


People may remember I wrote about the Clapham Junction accident of 12 December 1988.  We’ve just passed the 30 year anniversary of it. And lo and behold to mark the occasion we have a report into an incident with worrying similarities.
Not a culture problem right?

cowtown
Jul 4, 2007

the cow's a friend to me

Cthulu Carl posted:

New Zealand?

Yes, Gisborne Airport, New Zealand.

Yawgmoth
Sep 10, 2003

This post is cursed!

Nenonen posted:

vitamin c causes autism
but cures cancer, so you gotta take the good with the bad

Cthulu Carl
Apr 16, 2006

cowtown posted:

Yes, Gisborne Airport, New Zealand.

I feel like "Railroad crossing on your runway" should be a giveaway - or a multi-lane rode like Gibraltar's airport - but I recognized the roundel since I built a model RNZAF Avenger like the one in the pic

Piggy Smalls
Jun 21, 2015



BOSS MAKES A DOLLAR,
YOU MAKE A DIME,
I'LL LICK HIS BOOT TILL THOSE MOTHERFUCKERS SHINE.


I need a follow up video !

Memento
Aug 25, 2009


Bleak Gremlin

jobson groeth posted:

SYD represent



Cargo planes with no windows or livery look weird.

I've done a ton of flying over the past three months and will probably do more in the first three months of the new year and I had a question, and this thread seems reasonably apt to ask it. Whenever I'm sitting in the back of the plane, which I prefer because it gets me closer to where the hosts keep the alcohol, I notice before takeoff a smell of fumes in the cabin. It seems like you don't get that when you're sitting in the front of the plane, ie in front of the engines. Am I smelling engine fumes? How are they getting inside the plane?

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Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
Jet engines compress air. Some of that compressed air is bled off (“bleed air”) and used to pressurise and otherwise condition the cabin.

http://www.askthepilot.com/questionanswers/cabin-air-quality/ posted:

You’ll occasionally notice a strong odor when the plane is on the ground—a pungent smell similar to the exhaust from an old car or bus that fills the cabin shortly after pushback. Usually this happens when exhaust gases are drawn into the air conditioning packs during engine start. The wind is often to blame, causing air to backflow or blowing fumes through the pack inlets. It normally lasts only a minute or so, until the engine is running and stabilized. It’s unpleasant but little different from the fumes you occasionally breathe in your car while stuck in traffic.

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