BREXIT DAY

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Dead Goon: Dec 13, 2002; No Obvious Flaws

euphronius posted:

I remember visiting England in like 2005 and being excited to take the Chunnel to Paris. It turned out getting airplane from Luton was like 1/3 the price lmao.

Yeah, but Luton...

Dead Goon has issued a correction as of 19:33 on Dec 14, 2018

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Regarde Aduck: Oct 19, 2012; c l o u d k i t t e n; Grimey Drawer

Fallen Hamprince posted:

corbyn is a lifelong euroskeptic who is absolutely dying for an excuse to leave the neoliberal project and stop the dirty foreigns from taking Our Precious Coal Jobs

It's more about nationalisation than "foreigns". I obviously don't agree that nationalisation is worth all this poo poo or i'd be a lexiter.

# ? Dec 14, 2018 19:38

DAD LOST MY IPOD: Feb 3, 2012; Fats Dominar is on the case

man the best part of brexit are the chudleys (British chuds) being like �no deal means we can trade with our best mates the US! trump will take care of us!�

bitch america is gonna crack your bones and suck out the marrow

# ? Dec 14, 2018 19:42

FMguru: Sep 10, 2003; peed on;
sexually

DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:

man the best part of brexit are the chudleys (British chuds) being like �no deal means we can trade with our best mates the US! trump will take care of us!�

bitch america is gonna crack your bones and suck out the marrow

US President Donald Trump, well-known for treating business partners - especially desperate, vulnerable partners that he has a lot of leverage on - fairly.

# ? Dec 14, 2018 19:43

Wolfsbane: Jul 29, 2009; What time is it, Eccles?

prefect posted:

This is new, right?

https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1073583092533739520

It came up at some point on Wednesday, but got drowned out by other stuff. I think the official government response was that their anti-russia propaganda agency got hacked by the Russians, but that's so bizarre I may have imagined it.

# ? Dec 14, 2018 19:45

Captain Splendid: Jan 7, 2009; Qu'en pense Caffarelli?

Dead Goon posted:

Yeah, but Luton...

My mum lives in Beds so it's easy to get a flight to Luton to go and see her.

A couple years ago a friend from New York came over from Sweden while she and some friends were doing research there.

"Oh my god we're finally in London!" They all cheered.

No. They loving weren't.

# ? Dec 14, 2018 19:49

Juche Couture: Feb 3, 2007

Wolfsbane posted:

It came up at some point on Wednesday, but got drowned out by other stuff. I think the official government response was that their anti-russia propaganda agency got hacked by the Russians, but that's so bizarre I may have imagined it.

I like Thornberry's response:

quote:

Sir Alan Duncan
It is a matter of regret, Mr Speaker, that the right hon. Lady did not listen to the answer that I gave a moment ago. Let me explain to the House what has been going on. The Institute for Statecraft was hacked several weeks ago and numerous documents were published and amplified by Kremlin news channels. The Russian state media campaign that followed fits with a wider pattern of Russian disinformation against the UK. This campaign�s objective is clear: it is yet another example of Russian disinformation intended to confuse audiences and discredit an organisation that is working independently to tackle the threat of disinformation. The current Russian disinformation activity is precisely the sort of disinformation that this project is designed to counter. It is regrettable, but perhaps rather unsurprising, that some have been fooled, and have used this to make accusations about British politics in exactly the way hoped for in this malign activity.

While that is going on in the UK, the sort of activity that we do fund is doing its utmost to counter Russian disinformation overseas, which is undermining democracy and its institutions ever more widely across the world. The FCO has given a grant to the Institute for Statecraft this financial year of nearly �2 million. Our agreement, written into the contract with the institute, specifically states that the grant must not be used to support activity intended to influence, or attempt to influence, the UK Parliament, Government or political parties. We have not seen any evidence that the integrity initiative has breached this obligation, and the accusation that Government money has been used for domestic political purposes is utterly unfounded.

Emily Thornberry
What?

# ? Dec 14, 2018 22:24

Themage: Jul 21, 2010; by Nyc_Tattoo

can someone post the video of that british politician learning that the uk is an island

like he couldnt comprehend the concept of an island

# ? Dec 14, 2018 22:47

Fallen Hamprince: Nov 12, 2016

actually the UK is composed of several non-contiguous landmasses, including multiple whole islands as well as a region of another island, plus multiple overseas territories of which two (Gibraltar and the British Antarctic Territories) are located entirely on a continent

:goonsay:

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ContinuityNewTimes: Dec 30, 2010; Я выдуман напрочь

prefect posted:

This is new, right?

https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1073583092533739520

Paul Mason was on a very recent Novara show defending these guys for serving their country lol. He did say they should knock it off to be fair to him but he is very happy with the existence of a nightmarish security state

# ? Dec 14, 2018 22:56

Themage: Jul 21, 2010; by Nyc_Tattoo

Fallen Hamprince posted:

actually the UK is composed of several non-contiguous landmasses, including multiple whole islands as well as a region of another island, plus multiple overseas territories of which two (Gibraltar and the British Antarctic Territories) are located entirely on a continent

why do you have to be like this

# ? Dec 14, 2018 23:05

MikeCrotch: Nov 5, 2011; I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

YES, IT IS AN INCREDIBLY SIMPLE DISH

NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

YES, THERE IS TOO MUCH SALT IN MY RECIPE

NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese

Marxist-Jezzinist posted:

Paul Mason was on a very recent Novara show defending these guys for serving their country lol. He did say they should knock it off to be fair to him but he is very happy with the existence of a nightmarish security state

Paul Mason is pretty good on economic stuff but also thinks Labour should be the party of cops, no immigration and nukes so

# ? Dec 14, 2018 23:16

MikeCrotch: Nov 5, 2011; I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

YES, IT IS AN INCREDIBLY SIMPLE DISH

NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

YES, THERE IS TOO MUCH SALT IN MY RECIPE

NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese

Also look up "posadist Paul gives the Progress nerds hell" on YouTube if you want a laugh

# ? Dec 14, 2018 23:17

Victory Position: Mar 16, 2004

Fallen Hamprince posted:

actually the UK is composed of several non-contiguous landmasses, including multiple whole islands as well as a region of another island, plus multiple overseas territories of which two (Gibraltar and the British Antarctic Territories) are located entirely on a continent

is... is this a call to reinvade the Falkland Islands?

# ? Dec 14, 2018 23:25

ContinuityNewTimes: Dec 30, 2010; Я выдуман напрочь

MikeCrotch posted:

Paul Mason is pretty good on economic stuff but also thinks Labour should be the party of cops, no immigration and nukes so

It was distressing to hear as I'd been nodding along to his plan for building an angry socialist bloc in the EU then bam he started tongue-kissing mi5. In conclusion paul mason is a land of contrasts

# ? Dec 14, 2018 23:32

ContinuityNewTimes: Dec 30, 2010; Я выдуман напрочь

the worst bit was he said he plays elder scrolls online

# ? Dec 14, 2018 23:34

Themage: Jul 21, 2010; by Nyc_Tattoo

i bet him and the five other people that play that game must have an amazing group chat

# ? Dec 14, 2018 23:43

Mycroft Holmes: Mar 26, 2010; by Azathoth

i like eso. i play an argonian.

# ? Dec 15, 2018 00:01

Kurtofan: Feb 16, 2011; hon hon hon

What the fu k

JFairfax posted:

Are we really going to abandon Brexit because of a Mars bar shortage?

The nice French doctor looked beadily at the screen. There were the results of my tests, in irrefutable detail. They had taken my blood; they had beeped in my ears; they had covered me in painful hair-pulling electrodes, and now there was no use bluffing. I tried to draw her attention to what I conceived was my Hulk-like strength, the blast furnace super bellows of my lung capacity. She wasn’t having any of it. There was the key piece of data — blinking like a Geiger counter. I have really known it, or suspected it, for decades. In the past few months I have had the joy of being back on my bike, and the reality of my physique has been obvious to all the people who have overtaken me; and when I say all, I mean all. There have been moments — puffing uphill, against the wind — when I could have been overtaken by a toddler on a tricycle. It’s not my tyres. It’s not the cycle superhighways — excellent in every respect. The grim truth is that, excluding my rucksack, I have been carting around 16-and-a-half stone, and there it was on the doctor’s screen.

She launched into the catechism. What did I eat? I described the delicious late-night binges of chorizo and cheese. She winced. How much did I drink? We tried to work it out in units. Glasses, pints, bathfuls? She looked suitably appalled. She began to sketch out steps I could take — and I suddenly felt ashamed. Here I was, a representative of the political class of what is now the fattest nation in Europe and a living embodiment of our state of moral akrasia. Our kids are now so fat that asthma is on the rise. Their parents are so obese that they are starting to die earlier — for the first time this century — than the previous generation. We are spending tens of billions of taxpayers’ money on the consequences of this national weakness of will. We expect the state to pay for all the premature cancers and cardiovascular diseases we contract as a result of our obesity, to say nothing of stapling our stomachs and liposuctioning our thighs. We have every possible incentive to change, to get a grip, to go for a different and more rewarding and more fulfilling lifestyle. But we are sunk in inertia — a moral inertia that exactly corresponds to the political inertia of the British ruling class.

We know that we have to make certain changes if we are to leave the EU. We know that we have to get ready — to be lighter on our feet and more agile, if we are to take advantage of all the freedoms we will gain: the freedom to innovate, the freedom to regulate in the interests of UK firms, the freedom to open up new markets around the world to British goods and services. We have known for two-and-a-half years that we need to make these modest changes. And what have we done? Nothing. We have been unable to kick our habits, too paralysed, slothful and feeble to leave the customs union and single market, even though it means we are now set to be an effective colony of the EU.

We are told that one cabinet minister decided to back this odious sell-out of a deal — the worst of all worlds — when he learned that there was a small risk that in the event of proceeding on WTO terms (itself a very small risk) there might be a brief period in which it would be difficult to source two ingredients for Mars Bars. What kind of a country is this? Are we going to abandon a thousand years of national self-rule, and adopt foreign laws — over which we have no control — because we cannot be fagged to make whatever preparations are necessary for the microscopic risk of us running out of Mars Bars? There may have been times in the last century when the government of Britain has looked more pathetic, but I can’t think what they are.

I looked at this nice but disapproving French doctor and I resolved, like Gandhi, to be the change I wanted to see. I have not only laid off the Mars Bars; I have axed the cheese. I breakfast like some Georgian hermit on porridge with a luxury sprinkling of nuts. At drinks parties I guzzle water and marvel at the Pinteresque slowness with which we come to the point. Is it working? You bet it is.

My sight is keener, the days seem longer and more full of interest, and I have lost 12 pounds in two weeks. If things go on like this, I could be less than 15 stone by Christmas — for the first time since university — and I hope at that great global festivity to toast the moment in the next few weeks when the British governing class finally summons the willpower to do the necessary, to ditch this deal, to bin the backstop and to make the change that will launch us on a nimbler, lither and more dynamic future. If I can do it, so can we all.

Boris Johnson

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/12/are-we-really-going-to-abandon-brexit-because-of-a-mars-bar-shortage/

# ? Dec 15, 2018 02:07

ContinuityNewTimes: Dec 30, 2010; Я выдуман напрочь

I honestly hope he gets knob gangrene

# ? Dec 15, 2018 02:21

Ayn Randi: Mar 12, 2009; Grimey Drawer

boris if you want to lose a few stone of worthless fat a guillotine is much more efficient than dieting

# ? Dec 15, 2018 02:23

SpaceGoku: Jul 19, 2011

Kurtofan posted:

What the fu k

"I started doing cocaine again and now I feel great, the whole country should do cocaine"

# ? Dec 15, 2018 02:24

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

SpaceGoku posted:

"I started doing cocaine again and now I feel great, the whole country should do cocaine"

"maybe if we do enough thatcher will come back!"

# ? Dec 15, 2018 02:26

Hexyflexy: Sep 2, 2011; asymptotically approaching one

Marxist-Jezzinist posted:

I honestly hope he gets knob gangrene

I hope the rest of his hair falls out.

# ? Dec 15, 2018 02:53

Fallen Hamprince: Nov 12, 2016

boris becoming mayor of london was an early, pre-escalator warning sign that the world was irretrievably broken

# ? Dec 15, 2018 03:02

Stairmaster: Jun 8, 2012

That and the crack guy in canada

# ? Dec 15, 2018 03:57

Fallen Hamprince: Nov 12, 2016

Stairmaster posted:

That and the crack guy in canada

oh gently caress i forgot, his brother is premier of my province now lol

# ? Dec 15, 2018 04:02

twoday: May 4, 2005; C-SPAM Times best-selling author

Kurtofan posted:

What the fu k

Brexit: There won�t be adequate food, but gently caress you, you�re fat anyway

# ? Dec 15, 2018 06:24

Relevant Tangent: Nov 18, 2016; Tangentially Relevant

MikeCrotch posted:

1/4 to a 1/3 of labour voters voted leave and don't think they were lied to

my local Labour party received two letters this week, one went "labour has betrayed Brexit, I'm not voting labour again" and another went "labour has betrayed remain, I'm not voting labour again"

It's thorny

I mean the correct response is to do the right thing for the country and tell Leave to eat poo poo. That'd require courage though. Also admitting that you're not ever going to be an empire again, and that the entire world is better off with you under European domination. That both things are true is beside the point.

# ? Dec 15, 2018 07:34

reignonyourparade: Nov 15, 2012

Relevant Tangent posted:

I mean the correct response is to do the right thing for the country and tell Leave to eat poo poo. That'd require courage though. Also admitting that you're not ever going to be an empire again, and that the entire world is better off with you under European domination. That both things are true is beside the point.

That's not actually the right thing for the country if you don't actually have the power to not leave and telling Leave to eat poo poo just cements the Actually Leave party in power.

# ? Dec 15, 2018 07:52

RedneckwithGuns: Mar 28, 2007; Up Next:
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SHEER DYNAMITE

So what's the deal with the idea I've seen about Corbyn (pbuh) wanting to still have some form of Brexit? I've seen some saying it's because EU membership would make it more difficult to enact some of the major reforms he's proposed, and others saying it's because of the neoliberal nature of the EU such as the ease of moving capital and stuff like that.

# ? Dec 15, 2018 08:33

i say swears online: Mar 4, 2005

RedneckwithGuns posted:

So what's the deal with the idea I've seen about Corbyn (pbuh) wanting to still have some form of Brexit? I've seen some saying it's because EU membership would make it more difficult to enact some of the major reforms he's proposed, and others saying it's because of the neoliberal nature of the EU such as the ease of moving capital and stuff like that.

that's pretty much it, though i think a lot of that is inferred instead of explicitly stated

# ? Dec 15, 2018 08:46

RedneckwithGuns: Mar 28, 2007; Up Next:
Fifteen Inches of
SHEER DYNAMITE

i say swears online posted:

that's pretty much it, though i think a lot of that is inferred instead of explicitly stated

I get the second part but I don't know enough about what sort of machinations of the EU could prevent him from nationalizing the trains again?

# ? Dec 15, 2018 08:57

i say swears online: Mar 4, 2005

i don't think the EU prevents outright nationalization, but i'm assuming they can throw a wrench in the works in certain instances (let's say britain nationalizes all UK-based deutche bank properties)

# ? Dec 15, 2018 09:07

tarbrush: Feb 7, 2011; ALL ABOARD THE SCOTLAND HYPE TRAIN!

CHOO CHOO

i say swears online posted:

i don't think the EU prevents outright nationalization, but i'm assuming they can throw a wrench in the works in certain instances (let's say britain nationalizes all UK-based deutche bank properties)

Like most of his Brexit position, it's a bit unclear. None of the stuff that he's proposing to do falls foul of EU regs, and the posted worker directive (which let foreign workers undermine domestic workers) has been reformed. He's always been generically Eurosceptic, given how much of the EU is based on Thatcher's ideas and Labour have so far had a reasonably successful policy of letting the Tories own Brexit and eat the fallout. So basically, no-one's quite sure what he'd do if push came to shove and Labour came into power with a month on the clock.

You suspect his ideal outcome is for May to scrape the withdrawal agreement through against his whip with Labour rebels and thus take all the fallout for it being utter poo poo, and then he inherits the trade negotiations. Whether he'll get his wish without being tarred remains to be seen.

# ? Dec 15, 2018 09:22

Surprise Giraffe: Apr 30, 2007; 1 Lunar Road
Moon crater
The Moon

reignonyourparade posted:

That's not actually the right thing for the country if you don't actually have the power to not leave and telling Leave to eat poo poo just cements the Actually Leave party in power.

What do labour have the power to do again? Got the sense we were mostly being ignored

# ? Dec 15, 2018 10:11

Vitamin P: Nov 19, 2013; Truth is game rigging is more difficult than it looks pls stay ded

MikeCrotch posted:

Paul Mason is pretty good on economic stuff but also thinks Labour should be the party of cops, no immigration and nukes so

That stuff coupled with Corbyns economic platform is my dream Labour party tbh.

# ? Dec 15, 2018 10:40

GABA ghoul: Oct 29, 2011

Kurtofan posted:

What the fu k

I don't know if Johnson is really an uninformed idiot or if he just pretends to be one for money and power, but this letter explains the dilemma of Brexit perfectly. I'm reading this and feeling like I'm finally getting why everything turned out so horribly. It should really be in future history school textbooks

# ? Dec 15, 2018 11:35

Doktor Avalanche: Dec 30, 2008

Kurtofan posted:

What the fu k

"Losing amenities is fine when it's done in the pursuit of kicking out the foreigners and enriching the already rich, but a national disgrace when it's done in the pursuit of a society where everyone can live a dginified life."

# ? Dec 15, 2018 11:51

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exmarx: Feb 18, 2012; The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

https://twitter.com/juliamacfarlane/status/1073586355484143616

look how mad she is

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