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Yeah, the biggest issue with Insurgence's writing is just that it doesn't have a trained professional touching it up, basically. And for a free fangame that's not something that really upsets me too much.  Some Numbers posted:Having characters attempt suicide is ~mature storytelling~ It's extra mature when they're gengars later.
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And then there’s trainers commanding their Pokemon to commit outright murder against other humans.
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Dec 14, 2018 03:37
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Regalingualius posted:And then there’s trainers commanding their Pokemon to commit outright murder against other humans. Although it's tonally wrong for Pokemon, it makes sense in other realities. Think about how Pokemon are basically living magical weapons who act as pets. Pokemon the series barely even touches upon all the moral problems this poses. I think there was a Penny Arcade strip that touched on what could happen if the military discovered how to use Pokemon in real wars. It's kinda ridiculous but it is aimed at kids.
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Dec 14, 2018 04:24
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Regalingualius posted:And then there’s trainers commanding their Pokemon to commit outright murder against other humans. Well in Pokemon Adventures it is a regular tactic of the villains to try and attack or at least endanger their opponent.
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Dec 14, 2018 04:33
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Also that time Ghetsis tries to kill the player in Black 2/White 2.
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Dec 14, 2018 04:36
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Regalingualius posted:And then there’s trainers commanding their Pokemon to commit outright murder against other humans. I'd argue a good editor would solve these problems too. The writer knows what idea they're going for they just don't know how to raise stakes in a non edgy way.
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Dec 14, 2018 04:45
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Also that time Ghetsis tries to kill the player in Black 2/White 2. He tries to freeze the player, it's clearly non-lethal. Of course, that's because he wants the player alive to see him take over Kalos, not out of any genuine limits to his evil, but it's still consistent with Pokemon's usual mood even with one of the most evil villains the series has seen.
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Dec 14, 2018 12:09
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Confession time. I unironically love this romhack and am so happy this LP is running parallel to the reborn LP for perspective.
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Dec 14, 2018 12:15
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Hey, is there anyone playing alongside this LP or who has played this before with the story set to non-edgelord? I feel like the story in this mode is long stretches of okay punctuated by dumb edgy moments when the game remembers it billed itself as having a darker story. Does the Traditional story mode even this out any? Or does it just turn the plot into "long stretches of okay punctuated by slapdash censorship of edgy moments"?
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Dec 14, 2018 16:53
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Blaze Dragon posted:He tries to freeze the player, it's clearly non-lethal. Of course, that's because he wants the player alive to see him take over Kalos, not out of any genuine limits to his evil, but it's still consistent with Pokemon's usual mood even with one of the most evil villains the series has seen. The official pokemon manga regularly has the villains trying to kill people with their pokemon.
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Dec 14, 2018 17:26
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I vaguely recall an episode where a wild Agron tried to attack whatever interchangeable pal Ash brought along, so it's not like Pokemon attacking humans with potentially fatal moves is unprecedented. Though it might be unfair to bing up the manga and anime because they can get away with more.
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Dec 14, 2018 18:02
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Dybael posted:Hey, is there anyone playing alongside this LP or who has played this before with the story set to non-edgelord? I feel like the story in this mode is long stretches of okay punctuated by dumb edgy moments when the game remembers it billed itself as having a darker story. Does the Traditional story mode even this out any? Or does it just turn the plot into "long stretches of okay punctuated by slapdash censorship of edgy moments"? That would be me. The big ones I recall are that the third gym leader didn’t die and the Hiker and his family weren’t buried. The nursing home part was completely unchanged.
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Dec 14, 2018 18:09
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mastersord posted:Although it's tonally wrong for Pokemon, it makes sense in other realities. Think about how Pokemon are basically living magical weapons who act as pets. Pokemon the series barely even touches upon all the moral problems this poses. I think there was a Penny Arcade strip that touched on what could happen if the military discovered how to use Pokemon in real wars. It's kinda ridiculous but it is aimed at kids. https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/07/23/the-tournemon-part-one Probably not a good idea to give the US military access to the god of time.
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Dec 14, 2018 18:23
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Some Numbers posted:the Hiker and his family weren’t buried. But Jaern went and immediately saved them following that anyway.
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Dec 14, 2018 18:49
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:But Jaern went and immediately saved them following that anyway. In the non-edgy version, they weren’t in danger at all.
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Dec 14, 2018 21:42
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Lyumia posted:I vaguely recall an episode where a wild Agron tried to attack whatever interchangeable pal Ash brought along, so it's not like Pokemon attacking humans with potentially fatal moves is unprecedented. Though it might be unfair to bing up the manga and anime because they can get away with more. I mean, if we're talking about the anime, the hundreds upon hundreds of times Ash ordered his pokemon to electrocute and blow up Team Rocket, or the times Pikachu decided to do it on a whim. Or the times Ash is attacked by his own pokemon.
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Dec 14, 2018 22:21
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Also that time Ghetsis tries to kill the player in Black 2/White 2. Didn't Lysandre try to murder everyone except the other crazy rich people that paid to join his little fashion-challenged cult with a giant, life-sucking laser gun? Black Robe posted:I mean, if we're talking about the anime, the hundreds upon hundreds of times Ash ordered his pokemon to electrocute and blow up Team Rocket, or the times Pikachu decided to do it on a whim. Or the times Ash is attacked by his own pokemon. Yeah, but those are played mostly for laughs since Team Rocket and Ash are drat near indestructible. The evil teams do the same thing, but it's only treated seriously then or in movies.
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Dec 14, 2018 22:27
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Geostomp posted:Didn't Lysandre try to murder everyone except the other crazy rich people that paid to join his little fashion-challenged cult with a giant, life-sucking laser gun? I forget that the plot of X/Y sounds like something a rich person would actually do save for the life sucking laser gun. Speaking of, Pokemon war is already canonical, ain't it?
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Dec 14, 2018 22:47
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Pokewar (PokeNam?) has been a thing since gen 1. Lt. Surge was in the war y'know.
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Dec 14, 2018 22:54
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I love 90s depictions of Americans in Japanese media. Surge and Bandit Keith are hilarious.
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Dec 14, 2018 22:57
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Lyumia posted:I forget that the plot of X/Y sounds like something a rich person would actually do save for the life sucking laser gun. At least two wars that we know of. One of which was so bad that it actually split the timeline in two and created mega evolution.
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Dec 14, 2018 23:09
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Some Numbers posted:I love 90s depictions of Americans in Japanese media. Surge and Bandit Keith are hilarious. G Gundam's depictions of EVERY country were hilarious. So were Street Fighter's. Japan has some wild ideas about the rest of the world.
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Dec 14, 2018 23:19
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Geostomp posted:At least two wars that we know of. One of which was so bad that it actually split the timeline in two and created mega evolution. I’m sorry, but WHAT?!?
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Dec 14, 2018 23:26
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I'm no Poke historian, but I think that's the "justification" for Mega Evolution appearing in ORAS?
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Dec 14, 2018 23:29
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Some Numbers posted:In the non-edgy version, they weren’t in danger at all. I've been vaguely wondering what the non-edgy version changes are for a while now and if that cleans up the plot at all.
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Dec 14, 2018 23:56
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Geostomp posted:At least two wars that we know of. One of which was so bad that it actually split the timeline in two and created mega evolution. To rub salt in the wound? From what I've heard, the Non-Mega Evolution timeline WAS INVADED BY THE ULTRA BEASTS OF GEN 7 so yea, everyone is probably fuckin dead in Gen 1-5.
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Some Numbers posted:I’m sorry, but WHAT?!? RSE and ORAS/SuMo are alternate universes, also Anabel fell through a hole in space-time from RSE and is now a Ultra Beast magnet, and USUM is an alternate reality on top of that The Pokemon metaplot is dumb  E: was that ^ a Rainbow Rocket reveal or
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Dec 15, 2018 00:22
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Like Clockwork posted:RSE and ORAS/SuMo are alternate universes, also Anabel fell through a hole in space-time from RSE and is now a Ultra Beast magnet, and USUM is an alternate reality on top of that Yes. Yes it is.
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Like Clockwork posted:E: was that ^ a Rainbow Rocket reveal or I'm assuming that it was tied to the "Anabel is a Faller" thing. As well as the Looker that as in ORAS that never got expanded upon. USUM completely cut out that sidequest and just had Team Rainbow Rocket as a bunch of AU evil team leaders that "succeeded" in their goals, only to have something bad happen to them (aside from Ghetsis, apparently) before they appeared with Giovanni.
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I'm glad it's canon that there are alternate universes where Team Aqua/Magma successfully completed their plans and then their dumb asses immediately died because of it.
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:I'm assuming that it was tied to the "Anabel is a Faller" thing. As well as the Looker that as in ORAS that never got expanded upon. USUM's whole ultra-space diving thing for legendaries gives you a bunch of creepy areas that are implied to be destroyed versions of regions, too. In particular, you find Guzzlord in a creepypasta mirror of one of the Alola towns. Pokemon has always had edgy poo poo in the margins, going from Lavender Town's "woah hey pokemon actually die and you might have killed Gary's rattata" all the way to the kind of poo poo you see in Colosseum/XD. The difference is, Pokemon has actual editors and a writing process so they refine and tweak the ideas until it's either fitting with the series tone or, in the case of the Adventures manga, so wildly off the loving wall that it's just basically a fever dream at all points.
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Dec 15, 2018 02:14
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I recently learned that the anime just had Ash dropped off into some alternate universe where Alola was destroyed by Guzzlord. He met some dude named Dia, who many think is the Red of that universe, and where it goes from here is unknown.
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KataraniSword posted:USUM's whole ultra-space diving thing for legendaries gives you a bunch of creepy areas that are implied to be destroyed versions of regions, too. In particular, you find Guzzlord in a creepypasta mirror of one of the Alola towns. Oh. I never bothered with Ultra Space given that I already had all of the Pokemon by the time USUM came out. KataraniSword posted:"woah hey pokemon actually die and you might have killed Gary's rattata"  I'm just going to copy-paste a YouTube comment I made a good while back. quote:I really hate that theory, because it's needlessly edgy. Pokémon Red/Green/Blue is not this grimdark world where you go around offing people's Pokémon like it's a Nuzlocke. As a note, he doesn't have that Marowak on any of his teams either.
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Dec 15, 2018 03:31
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:
Thank you. The 'you killed Blue's Rattata' theory is just as awful to me as the ridiculous 'Ash is in a coma' theory for the anime.
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Dec 15, 2018 03:40
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Vandar posted:Thank you. The 'you killed Blue's Rattata' theory is just as awful to me as the ridiculous 'Ash is in a coma' theory for the anime. I’m sorry but I love that theory because it’s so absurd.
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Dec 15, 2018 04:40
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I kinda wanna hear the Ash is in a coma theory but I'm also terrified of what will come up if I Google it
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Dec 15, 2018 04:43
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Vandar posted:Thank you. The 'you killed Blue's Rattata' theory is just as awful to me as the ridiculous 'Ash is in a coma' theory for the anime. At least that one isn't said seriously, people genuinely believe you killed Blue's Rattata despite having absolutely no proof for it beyond Blue (who, as said, wants to build a perfect team and is clearly someone who genuinely tries hard to have strong Pokemon) not using the early game shitmon anymore. Since, apparently, only the player ever gets to switch their Pokemon without having something bad happen to them.
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Kemix posted:To rub salt in the wound? From what I've heard, the Non-Mega Evolution timeline WAS INVADED BY THE ULTRA BEASTS OF GEN 7 so yea, everyone is probably fuckin dead in Gen 1-5. There is nothing to imply this beyond Anabelle vaguely recalling defending the battle tower. You know the thing easily construed as her job?
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Rabbi Raccoon posted:I kinda wanna hear the Ash is in a coma theory but I'm also terrified of what will come up if I Google it "After the first episode where Ash got mauled by Spearows and struck by lightning, he went into a coma and is dreaming, and that's why he never ages and all the nurses and police are the same person." "Character is actually in a coma/hallucinating on their death bed/dead in purgatory" is the go to concept for converting something into a creepypasta.
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Some Numbers posted:I love 90s depictions of Americans in Japanese media. Surge and Bandit Keith are hilarious. From the early 00s, but:  Yakitate Japan's Kid is basically the bastard child of Brad Pitt and Bill Clinton and is the best America stereotype character ever.
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