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Is it anathema to suggest Jane Espenson get the job, even though she's American? She has decades of well-received genre work and already collaborated on Torchwood.
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Mameluke posted:Is it anathema to suggest Jane Espenson get the job, even though she's American? She has decades of well-received genre work and already collaborated on Torchwood. I believe she's working on Hulu's Wildcards series, so I don't think she's available.
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Mameluke posted:Is it anathema to suggest Jane Espenson get the job, even though she's American? She has decades of well-received genre work and already collaborated on Torchwood. I always got the distinct impression that there would be riots if Doctor Who was handed to a creative team outside of the UK. Most of the flaws of the Doctor Who movies are attributed to the fact that american collaborators were involved, for example.
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Dec 15, 2018 09:48
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I don't mind the idea of an American showrunner nearly as much as the the idea of an American Doctor, and people keep suggesting those...
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Fair Bear Maiden posted:I always got the distinct impression that there would be riots if Doctor Who was handed to a creative team outside of the UK. Most of the flaws of the Doctor Who movies are attributed to the fact that american collaborators were involved, for example. Speaking of the movie, SFDebris did an episode on it, with some very interesting background details. I had no idea Steven Spielburg was attached at one point, for example. Or for that matter, Leonard Nimoy.
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Dec 15, 2018 11:00
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I always put the movie's problems down to being structural/narrative, rather than having an American creative team, looking at it from the perspective of 2018 - although I imagine in 1996 it was probably at lot of "YANKS CAN'T DO WHO  HALF-HUMAN DOCTOR KISSING!  "Like, as an episode bridge from the Classic series to the Revival, it's an okay episode that works, I guess - McGann is great, Roberts is great and there's some nice scenes and character moments. I do enjoy it - and it's probably the first Who media I ever watched - even if I was young enough and probably didn't realise what it was at the time. As a pilot to introduce the show to a new American audience with zero context, it doesn't do a very good job. It tries to explain and introduce too many concepts in such a short run-time, while not explaining the important things enough, while also trying to do its own little story about time melting or something. It's too continuity heavy, while also wanting to be a break from Classic show, and structurely doesn't really work. McGann doesn't show up until about 1/3rd of the way through the film, has amnesia for a bit, and then has to exposit his way through the rest of it. To compare it with how they handle stuff in the revival, over the course of 13 episodes, the core conceit of the show is shown, and the concepts are drip-fed to the audience - there's a mystery around the Doctor - his TARDIS is explained, the Daleks are explained, the Time War and the Time Lords are explained, and Regeneration is explained. To be fair that is over 8 or so hours compared to the 2 hour(?) film length, and the film is still a guilty pleasure, and it apparently did help RTD with a clear list of Do's/Don'ts with the Revival. [e]: Yvonmukluk posted:Speaking of the movie, SFDebris did an episode on it, with some very interesting background details. I had no idea Steven Spielburg was attached at one point, for example. Or for that matter, Leonard Nimoy. The conception of how the film came about, and the ideas passed around for a potential series are probably more interesting than the final result of the film itself. The Daleks being reimagined as pepperpots that could form into a spider shape, or the cybermen being Mad Max interspacial scavengers. Pesky Splinter fucked around with this message at 11:20 on Dec 15, 2018 |
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Dec 15, 2018 11:14
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Pesky Splinter posted:has amnesia for a bit Phew, lucky he got over that!
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Fair Bear Maiden posted:I always got the distinct impression that there would be riots if Doctor Who was handed to a creative team outside of the UK. I don't think people would care that much. You know, I don't think you'd be getting hysterical Sun headlines going "QUEEN DENOUNCES YANKEE WHO" with a picture of the Queen looking grave or anything like that. RTD always said one of the main influences on the revival was Buffy the Vampire Slayer and you can definitely see it.
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Dec 15, 2018 11:17
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Jerusalem posted:Phew, lucky he got over that! Amnesia, Charley, C'rizz, Lucie, Tamsin, Molly,: Friends, companions I've known, I salute you.
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Dec 15, 2018 11:22
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Jerusalem posted:This one really hurts, I'm such a huge fan of basically everything he's written You and me both buddy. Sad that someone so clearly talented turned out to be so reprehensible.  Box of Bunnies posted:Dylan Moran has apparently been doing some good poo poo in his standup, so I feel relatively guilt free about Black Books at least. That's awesome at least.  I'm a straight white guy but I also firmly believe that people should be free to live how they choose provided they do no harm, so I'm glad to see Moran being on the right side of things here.
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I'm gonna write a story where the doctor has to rescue nicholas briggs from the daleks and the cybermen. he needs a lot of throat medicine after they escape e: they can't talk for several episodes after
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Fair Bear Maiden posted:I always got the distinct impression that there would be riots if Doctor Who was handed to a creative team outside of the UK. Most of the flaws of the Doctor Who movies are attributed to the fact that american collaborators were involved, for example. They might have a point, the show went completely off the rails when Sydney Newman, known Canadian, became involved (as Producer, no less!) and it's never recovered.
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Dec 15, 2018 16:08
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TinTower posted:Between Graham Linehan being busy forcing period poverty campaigners off twitter and getting police warnings for harassing women, and Gareth Roberts going all Nurse Who, Gattis in comparison isn’t the worst. It was a real head turn watching him go from championing abortion rights to watching him say parents were allowing their children to get sex change operations.
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Dec 15, 2018 17:58
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After The War posted:They might have a point, the show went completely off the rails when Sydney Newman, known Canadian, became involved (as Producer, no less!) and it's never recovered. OK, two points: Canadians are closer to being British than they are to being Americans. To an American it's lie they're basically just Brits with American accents. And how creatively involved was Newman? I kinda got the impression that Verity Lambert and others were the visionaries and Newman was the facilitator. I could be totally wrong though. I just really enjoyed the scene in An Adventure in Space and Time where he pacified Hartnell. Brian Cox played him like a real producers producer. I've often wondered how an Irish Doctor would be received. Like, would that be an issue or would people take it in stride? As an American I don't like the idea of an American Who but my reasoning is kind of lame. It's mostly just "The Doctor should have an accent." Which, of course, in England (sometime Scotland) s/he doesn't. There are lots of great American actors, or some anyway, who could probably make interesting work of the role but it would just seem so strange. OTOH, and American Master would seem pretty natural.
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I just wish we'd had Whithouse instead of Chibbers. A series-full of God Complex / Under the Lake style complicated allegories would have gotten many things wrong, but I think it'dve been more entertaining than a series-full of The Power of Three. The episodes might have had endings!
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Dec 15, 2018 20:23
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King Plum the Nth posted:OTOH, and American Master would seem pretty natural. I would sacrifice someone's firstborn to see Michael Emerson take a run at the Master.
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Box of Bunnies posted:As bad as he got about Moffat and Neil Gaiman at the worst of his blog, at least he isn't "I as a cis gay man can get married now, so why are those trannies whinging about silly things like pronouns????" like Gatiss so I wouldn't even rate him as worst as a person for potential head writers. Wait, has Gatiss said stuff like that? Because that sounds exactly like Gareth Roberts, who's an enormous arse about these things on social media. Gatiss always struck me as being a lot quieter.
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Wolfechu posted:Wait, has Gatiss said stuff like that? Because that sounds exactly like Gareth Roberts, who's an enormous arse about these things on social media. Gatiss always struck me as being a lot quieter. The LoG haven't got a great track record. They even brought back Barbara for the live show this year as a way of doubling down.
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The_Doctor posted:The LoG haven't got a great track record. They even brought back Barbara for the live show this year as a way of doubling down. Ugh, OK. I mean, that character was the wrong side of funny in the 90s. I hadn't seen the new episodes, so I didn't realize they'd brought Barbara back just to be edgelords.
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Wolfechu posted:Wait, has Gatiss said stuff like that? Because that sounds exactly like Gareth Roberts, who's an enormous arse about these things on social media. Gatiss always struck me as being a lot quieter. He's not Roberts level of things, but https://www.sbs.com.au/topics/sexuality/fast-lane/article/2017/08/14/actor-mark-gatiss-says-lgbt-community-should-be-worried-about-isis-and-chechnya posted:“What really gets me very worked up these days is that we are losing ourselves sometimes in tiny debates about personal pronouns when the world is on fire and ISIS is throwing people off buildings for being gay,” he says in the podcast.
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Box of Bunnies posted:He's not Roberts level of things, but He's right though.
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Eh, I don't disagree with his sentiment ; that we're getting caught up in the small time bullshit but I disagree what he calls small time bullshit.
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Dec 16, 2018 12:04
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It is also possible to care about both the basic courtesy of calling someone by their correct name and widespread human rights abuses. There's not a limited amount of care in people that if you use it all up on one thing you don't have any left for anything else.
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docbeard posted:I would sacrifice someone's firstborn to see Michael Emerson take a run at the Master. I'm pretty sure that Ben Linus is actually another chameleon arched incarnation of the Master anyway. I keep thinking I want to rewatch Lost and then I remember that no, I just want a supercut of Linus and Locke's Big Adventure.
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Dec 16, 2018 12:17
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There is already an American Doctor Who and it's called Legends of Tomorrow. (Or Quantum Leap for us old timers...) Anyways, I thought this season was decent and Whittaker was pretty amazing and hope they don't leave the BBC gets whatever stick is up their rear end removed.
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Dec 16, 2018 16:07
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Mooseontheloose posted:There is already an American Doctor Who and it's called Legends of Tomorrow. 
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That child looks so uncomfortable. Well this series was alright but there’s only two or three episodes I’d go back to rewatch. There weren’t any awful episodes but there weren’t any amazing ones either. Hopefully the next series in four years time will be an improvement.
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Dec 16, 2018 16:55
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CityMidnightJunky posted:He's right though. Sure, just like chuds that try to downplay feminism with "why are you complaining about the wage gap when women in the middle east..."
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https://twitter.com/georgiaEtennant/status/1074325552906035200
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"Because you know what? You were my light bulb changer."
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This is still the weirdest thing to me. Imagine idolizing a man as a kid, taking the same role he once had when you’re an adult, marrying his daughter, and then giving him a grandkid. It could be the plot of a horror movie, like some kind of obsessive psycho fanboy long con just to buy time with him.
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That is proper skinny.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:This is still the weirdest thing to me. Imagine idolizing a man as a kid, taking the same role he once had when you’re an adult, marrying his daughter, and then giving him a grandkid. It could be the plot of a horror movie, like some kind of obsessive psycho fanboy long con just to buy time with him. Well, it's David Tennant, so you're probably close to the mark there.
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CityMidnightJunky posted:He's right though. "Shut up and let the rest of us do the talking about the real issues, person consistently marginalized by society" is not the grand leadership you think it is. This happens every time. The civil rights movement, the disabilities act, gay marriage. It's a weapon hateful people use to make fighting for a better future sound selfish, and people buy it every loving time it happens.
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Mooseontheloose posted:There is already an American Doctor Who and it's called Legends of Tomorrow. My favourite part of Legends of Tomorrow is where one of the cast realises that season's Big Bad (voiced by John Noble) sounds like Denethor from Lord of the Rings (played by John Noble), so they go back in time and get John Noble to voice some lines for reasons I forget. Also, in the same episode, Barack Obama gets attacked by a talking gorilla.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:like some kind of obsessive psycho fanboy long con just to buy time with him. So, a reasonable and sensible plan?
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Jerusalem posted:So, a reasonable and sensible plan? Yes \/ 
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Astroman posted:Yes I really really miss that man.
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LividLiquid posted:Speaking as a trans person, kindly go gently caress all the way off with this take. Just because your trans doesn't automatically make you right. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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LividLiquid posted:"Shut up and let the rest of us do the talking about the real issues, person consistently marginalized by society" is not the grand leadership you think it is.
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