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Random Stranger posted:Wakanda canonically has a cure for cancer that they don't share. Which still baffles me that they haven't retconned.
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evilmiera posted:Which still baffles me that they haven't retconned. It's not worth retconning. You just never mention it again and pretend it didn't happen. Retconning it officially just draws attention to it.
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Dec 15, 2018 13:43
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It's like how mutants are immune to AIDS and also Angel's blood can cure AIDS.
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Dec 15, 2018 15:25
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In the Reed Richards Saves a Guy comic, when the lady on the ground says "We've got a jumper" why does it cut to a panel of a soldier giving a thumbs up like "gently caress yeah, suicide!"
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MillennialVulcan posted:In the Reed Richards Saves a Guy comic, when the lady on the ground says "We've got a jumper" why does it cut to a panel of a soldier giving a thumbs up like "gently caress yeah, suicide!" That's Reed. It says Richards on his shoulder. It's a really weird and out of place flashback to I guess when he was a paratrooper? I dunno.
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Dec 15, 2018 17:52
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Wheat Loaf posted:It's like how mutants are immune to AIDS and also Angel's blood can cure AIDS. ...wut
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Dec 15, 2018 18:00
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Lurdiak posted:It's not worth retconning. You just never mention it again and pretend it didn't happen. Retconning it officially just draws attention to it. The best retcon is "That was a lovely writer being lovely so we just won't ever mention it again."  The worst retcons are the ones that scramble popular stories in an obvious way and thus drat us all to decades of counter-retcons, counter-counter-retcons, and repeating the original story only worse.
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Infinitum posted:...wut Chuck Austen.
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Lurdiak posted:It's not worth retconning. You just never mention it again and pretend it didn't happen. Retconning it officially just draws attention to it. Well I mean, unfortunately they then went and did that animated film version of that story and kept it in unchanged as I recall. I know because I watched it hoping to understand the scene better but it just pissed me off.
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Dec 15, 2018 21:29
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I'm not sure what the worst retcon is. I feel like Xorneto is pretty bad but only because of how quickly it happened. I'm pretty sure they backtracked to, "That was never the real Magneto," almost immediately after Morrison left. Actually, no, I do know what the worst retcon is: it's Identity Crisis.
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Edit, not only wrong thread, wrong loving forum.
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Am I too later for doctor stuff? (one of the Hulk books, after Banner splits him off again)
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Dec 15, 2018 22:47
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Random Stranger posted:The best retcon is "That was a lovely writer being lovely so we just won't ever mention it again." Yeah, that...Superboy Prime.... He sure was a piece of work!
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Wheat Loaf posted:I'm not sure what the worst retcon is. I feel like Xorneto is pretty bad but only because of how quickly it happened. I'm pretty sure they backtracked to, "That was never the real Magneto," almost immediately after Morrison left. My personal opinion is that the worst retcons are ones Which are obviously two writers pissed at each other and taking it to the comic as a way of sorting out their differences. Any time the next writer goes back to change the status quo of the previous writer, that's a pretty bad retcon right there.
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The Question IRL posted:My personal opinion is that the worst retcons are ones Which are obviously two writers pissed at each other and taking it to the comic as a way of sorting out their differences. I randomly reread Jim Starlin's old Infinity Abyss limited series a couple of weeks ago. I hadn't realized it, but there's a whole section in the second issue that's basically Thanos walking around saying to Gamora, "Oh, yeah, I have a shitload of Thanos clones running around for chuckles. Any time you've seen me in like the last six years, that was a clone." That conveniently included Thor killing his rear end at one point in Dan Jurgens's run.
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Dec 16, 2018 00:13
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And yet none of them were the one that got beaten up by Squirrel Girl. The Watcher said so.
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The Question IRL posted:My personal opinion is that the worst retcons are ones Which are obviously two writers pissed at each other and taking it to the comic as a way of sorting out their differences. Depends on the change honestly. If the former writer hosed something up and a new one fixes it immediately then it’s fine.
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Keromaru5 posted:And yet none of them were the one that got beaten up by Squirrel Girl. The Watcher said so. And all of them are tools. Galactus said so.
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You cut off the funny part E: Better quality image Who What Now fucked around with this message at 04:43 on Dec 16, 2018 |
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Who What Now posted:You cut off the funny part 
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Literally what they were invented for!
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Wanderer posted:I randomly reread Jim Starlin's old Infinity Abyss limited series a couple of weeks ago. I hadn't realized it, but there's a whole section in the second issue that's basically Thanos walking around saying to Gamora, "Oh, yeah, I have a shitload of Thanos clones running around for chuckles. Any time you've seen me in like the last six years, that was a clone." Not to mention Thanos's non-Starlin-approved appearance in Mark Waid's Ka-Zar and Steve Englehart's equally non-approved use in Avengers: Celestial Quest, the latter of which was the Mantis vs. Thanos story Englehart had wanted to do for decades.
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Dec 16, 2018 04:50
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That Thor/Thanos storyline was loving awesome and I refuse to pay any heed to any bullshit,"IT WAS A CLONE" nonsense. But boy did that Thor series fall off a cliff after that storyline was done. It went from one of the best comics around to really awful in the span of like one issue.
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Keromaru5 posted:And yet none of them were the one that got beaten up by Squirrel Girl. The Watcher said so.  
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"He will be EXACTLY the same as me. EXACTLY as powerful. EXACTLY as strong. With the EXACT same mind and memories and beliefs. Ergo if somebody beats him up, it totally doesn't count as being the same as beating me up!"
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Dec 16, 2018 05:24
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The only thing is that panel right there.
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Skwirl posted:The only thing So is this a classic case of a writer being mad about something?
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wdarkk posted:So is this a classic case of a writer being mad about something? that panel was written by the guy who wrote the original panel so probably not
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you can kill thanos off any number of times. he can infinitely come back from the dead because death loathes him and doesn't want him hanging around her house.
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Alaois posted:that panel was written by the guy who wrote the original panel so probably not
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Jerusalem posted:"He will be EXACTLY the same as me. EXACTLY as powerful. EXACTLY as strong. With the EXACT same mind and memories and beliefs. Ergo if somebody beats him up, it totally doesn't count as being the same as beating me up!" Haha, excellent point. 
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The Question IRL posted:So there is this human fear about being completely alone while dying, and how Richard's machine literally ensures he will be with this man in his final moments. From the last page but I had a professor who was a chaplain at a hospital previously but decided to go back to school because he couldn't take always having to be the person there with someone who died. Some people just don't have anyone close there when they die.
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Jerusalem posted:That Thor/Thanos storyline was loving awesome and I refuse to pay any heed to any bullshit,"IT WAS A CLONE" nonsense. The Dark God arc was great. The stuff afterwards where it was all about Jake Olson should have been good, but them changing the plot really undercut it and made it into a silly "Two Jakes" story. The Thanos story is amazing and is an early example of Thor being a super metal book. After that, I think there were some good stories. I loved the Gladiator/Thor fight (It's a shame the Zarko stuff never really gets a good payoff.) And the Reigning arc with Magni had some amazing parts.
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Jurgens Thor is the source of one of the plot holes that most frustrated me when I was younger and still got annoyed by plot holes. Basically, Jake Olson dies and he's brought back to life by being merged with Thor. His partner, Demetrius, is shown stealing drugs from the hospital where they work, selling them and plotting to pin his operation on Jake (seriously, there is literally a panel after he learns Jake is still alive where he's thinking, "drat! Now who am I gonna pin this on?"). He does this two or three times in the first 25 issues of that run. Then it turns out that he was an undercover vice detective who suspected that Jake was actually stealing and selling drugs from the hospital, and then I think it turns out that Jake was doing this and Odin hosed up by putting Thor in the body of a criminal (who'd never had any indication of being a criminal up to this point) which, granted, would be a cool idea if it had been handled a bit better. Then there's all this stuff where apparently Jake had an evil twin called Loren who was pretending to be him the entire time and it was all some kind of plot by Loki (of course). It was very confusing. But I'm not sure what Jurgens's plans were or how they changed because the payoff doesn't seem to match the setup.
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That was when you gave up on comics forever right?
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Synthbuttrange posted:That was when you gave up on comics forever right? It was where I gave up on Dan Jurgens's Thor, at least.
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I'm still fairly certain that the first 25 issues of that run was written by one Dan Jurgens and everything that followed was written by a different Dan Jurgens. Which one is the original and which one is the clone/alternate universe version I don't know, but whichever one wrote the first 25 issues I wish had won the battle to be the one, true Dan Jurgens 
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Esplanade posted:Unless he's some kind of Reed Richards superfan, I don't really see having a total stranger hanging out watching you die is much of a comfort. It's not a total stranger, though. It's the guy who literally talked him off the ledge in the darkest moment of his life.
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Jerusalem posted:I'm still fairly certain that the first 25 issues of that run was written by one Dan Jurgens and everything that followed was written by a different Dan Jurgens. Which one is the original and which one is the clone/alternate universe version I don't know, but whichever one wrote the first 25 issues I wish had won the battle to be the one, true Dan Jurgens Be honest, though, JRJR is the reason to read those first 25 issues, isn't it?
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