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Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
The LCVP had a pair of .30 cals and the LCM had a pair of .50 cals. I think there was also a rocket version for just making GBS threads out a bunch of fire ASAP at the beach during the landing, but my lazy at-work googling turns up nothing.

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Ilor
Feb 2, 2008

That's a crit.

Commissar Kip posted:

I'd love to have a game that mixes blood red skies with ground units.
Have you looked into TFL's "Bag the Hun" yet? I know it can mix ground and air units. IIRC, one of the scenarios in one of the recent TFL specials had Stukas doing ground attack and flak batteries defending.

Major Isoor
Mar 23, 2011

Commissar Kip posted:

I don't think anyone here has tried it. Cruel Seas also just launched and I'm waiting for my starter set to arrive.

I've also been eyeing Blood Red Skies but I've held off so far. I'd love to have a game that mixes blood red skies with ground units.

Ah, fair enough. Hopefully I remember to post here about BRS, once it eventually arrives. A friend of mine who I've played X-Wing with seems to love it though, so that's a good sign.
I must admit that although I do like customization in games, I appreciate that BRS has done away with the sheer card bloat that X-Wing had. Making a list that could actually hold its own in XW could take at least twice as long as actually playing the game, which I fully understand isn't some peoples' cup of tea.

And yeah, I'd quite like that too! Not sure how they'd go with having all the models/stands be on the same level, though. You'd have to have some rule about planes attempting to fly over units on the ground, but not quite moving far enough to get clear of it, etc. (Since you can hardly 'bump' them like in X-Wing, for instance!)

big_g
Sep 24, 2004

Our young men will have to shoot down their young men at the rate of four to one, if we're to keep pace at all.
So I've finished the Chieftain Troop, my first ever Team Yankee models. I think they turned out okay for my forst ever attempt at 15mm Brirish Cold War armour. Let me know what you think and check out the 360 shots.

360 rotations:

https://spinzam.com/shot/embed/?idx=101571

https://spinzam.com/shot/embed/?idx=101572

And some pics







Ilor
Feb 2, 2008

That's a crit.
Your teeny tanks are gorgeous! Very nicely done!

Major Isoor
Mar 23, 2011
Very nice! I've always loved the look of the Chieftain, personally - and you've done a great job of it!

EDIT: In other news, I'm starting to get edgy, dammit! It's been at least a couple of weeks now, and no sign of Blood Red Skies arriving yet...

Major Isoor fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Dec 13, 2018

Fish and Chimps
Feb 16, 2012

mmmfff
Fun Shoe
Great chieftains! The edge highlights ended up blending very nicely.

In other 15mm news, I've been chipping away at my US paras, and am finally done with the core platoon (except basing).

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Cessna posted:

An era I'd absolutely love to get into but know would be a total waste of time and money is Russo Japanese war naval.

Old Glory has a line of 1/600 scale ships for this war. They are flat-out beautiful:



But the problem is that they're too drat big.

Too bad, those ships sure look good.

Good news ! War Times Journal does rules and models for pre-deed through WW1 in scales ranging from 1/1250 to 1/3000. They're 3D printed, so they can also do every popular scale in between. I have some 1/2400 WW1 destroyers for a diorama project I had honestly forgotten about, and they're pretty detailed for that scale, and affordable.
http://www.wtj.com/store/index.html

But I very badly need some of those 1/600s for display purposes.

And, speaking of boats, I eBayed a copy of Wargames Illustrated 374 with the Cruel Seas sprue. I got the Vesper sprue. It's two different boats; one early and one late-war MTB. I could want the models to be a little more detailed given the scale, but they look good. Pics this weekend when I'm home during daylight.

Flipping through the article I see that each boat has a data card/damage record and there are damage markers to put on them. Pricing is going to be £50/$80 for a starter box with 6 MTBs and 4 S-Boats and a bunch of markers and stuff, or £20/$32 for a softcover rulebook. That's not bad at all, if you assume $5 a boat you're ahead on price just for models and rules, the markers, rules, and templates come free.

However, at 1/300 this will be a very crowded tabletop; 5'x8' minimum. I'd say go with 1/1250 or 1/600 if you want to play boats. I'll have the lightbox out anyway this weekend, so I'll do some of my smaller models as well.

Schadenboner
Aug 15, 2011

by Shine
Is this the place for Team Yankee or other cold-war-gone-hot rules?

long-ass nips Diane
Dec 13, 2010

Breathe.

Schadenboner posted:

Is this the place for Team Yankee or other cold-war-gone-hot rules?

Yep, those are all under the historical umbrella.

Schadenboner
Aug 15, 2011

by Shine
So is Tanks a rebranding/consolidation by Battlefront of their FoW and Team Yankee lines?

spectralent
Oct 1, 2014

Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops

Schadenboner posted:

So is Tanks a rebranding/consolidation by Battlefront of their FoW and Team Yankee lines?

It's them flogging singles of tanks they can't sell.

Cessna
Feb 20, 2013

KHABAHBLOOOM

It's also an attempt to make a game like the very successful X-Wing.

Because when I think "what game subject reminds me of Star Wars space fighters" the obvious answer is "WWII tanks."

long-ass nips Diane
Dec 13, 2010

Breathe.

Schadenboner posted:

So is Tanks a rebranding/consolidation by Battlefront of their FoW and Team Yankee lines?

It’s more of an x-wing style game, IIRC. Totally separate from their main wargame lines.

Cessna posted:

It's also an attempt to make a game like the very successful X-Wing.

Because when I think "what game subject reminds me of Star Wars space fighters" the obvious answer is "WWII tanks."

I mean, it kinda makes sense because a lot of historical players like to push tanks around, but the business model and rules seem really bad

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

Cessna posted:

It's also an attempt to make a game like the very successful X-Wing.

Because when I think "what game subject reminds me of Star Wars space fighters" the obvious answer is "WWII tanks."
To be fair, it's an adaption for WWII tanks of the X-Wing rules, which are an adaptation of WWI plane rules...

golden bubble
Jun 3, 2011

yospos

The same ruleset was also used for age of sail warships. But X-Wings, WWI planes, and ships-of-the-line all fire while moving, making turn radius a critical stat. WWII tanks don't fire on the move unless they want to miss every shot. I don't see how you could justify using these rules unless you want Shermans to shoot while multi-track drifting.

vkeios
May 7, 2007




It’s also a source of tanks when every store tries to get rid of their stock. Which reminds me, I should have a copy of what a tanker coming in the mail today.

NTRabbit
Aug 15, 2012

i wear this armour to protect myself from the histrionics of hysterical women

bitches




For a while there every company was trying to adapt the X-Wing money printer rules and/or general concept to their properties, even Spartan had one near release when they went under.

Fish and Chimps
Feb 16, 2012

mmmfff
Fun Shoe
Tanks is the best game for allowing us to buy singles of Battlefront's excellent tank models, to use for other better games

JcDent
May 13, 2013

Give me a rifle, one round, and point me at Berlin!

Fish and Chimps posted:

Tanks is the best game for allowing us to buy singles of Battlefront's excellent tank models, to use for other better games

Lord_Hambrose
Nov 21, 2008

*a foul hooting fills the air*



Fish and Chimps posted:

Tanks is the best game for allowing us to buy singles of Battlefront's excellent tank models, to use for other better games

But Napoleon never had tanks :thunk:

spectralent
Oct 1, 2014

Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops
Has anyone tried Blood Red Skies and in particular know if there's much depth to it? I played the demo and it was a fun time but it felt superficial. But, also, it was a demo.

Fashionable Jorts
Jan 18, 2010

Maybe if I'm busy it could keep me from you



golden bubble posted:

I don't see how you could justify using these rules unless you want Shermans to shoot while multi-track drifting.

I absolutely want this.

Major Isoor
Mar 23, 2011

spectralent posted:

Has anyone tried Blood Red Skies and in particular know if there's much depth to it? I played the demo and it was a fun time but it felt superficial. But, also, it was a demo.

Were you using all the rules, or just the basic 'first game' rules, out of curiosity? I haven't played the game myself yet, although I have a copy en route to me.
I know of some x-wing players who comverted to BRS though, so it does give me hope! I'll have to post about it, after I get to actually play it, since it doesn't seem like others here have tried it yet.

Endman
May 18, 2010

That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die


I too am interested to hear if Blood Red Skies is any good. In particular how it compares to Wings of Glory.

Signal
Dec 10, 2005

Fashionable Jorts posted:

I absolutely want this.

Isn't this War Thunder?

Fashionable Jorts
Jan 18, 2010

Maybe if I'm busy it could keep me from you



Signal posted:

Isn't this War Thunder?

Yes. Powersliding Russian heavy tanks around corners is the best thing ever.

Loomer
Dec 19, 2007

A Very Special Hell
No. Powering through an entire map in a Jumbo because scrubs don't understand that without a 76mm or better, or good aim, they can't shoot you in the face is the best. And for some reason they never seem to expect highly aggressive Jumbo charges.

Class Warcraft
Apr 27, 2006


Finally finished my Japanese army and now onto my German Stalingrad force. Making custom rubble bases for my pioneers: cool but time-consuming.

Mortar and infantry gun:


Pioneers:

Major Isoor
Mar 23, 2011

Class Warcraft posted:

Finally finished my Japanese army and now onto my German Stalingrad force. Making custom rubble bases for my pioneers: cool but time-consuming.

drat, those look very nice!

Endman
May 18, 2010

That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die


They look very cool. How did you make the bricks?

Class Warcraft
Apr 27, 2006


The bases were harder than necessary because I didn't decide to make them until after I had painted the models and glued them to their bases.

If I were to do it over again I'd:
1) Add a layer of fine sand to base
2) Construct a mixture of fine and rocky basing grit plus model bricks and broken matchsticks.
3) Coat the base with white glue in various large blobs
4) Place the model in a small tray with the debris mixture and rock it back and forth so the stuff organically spills over onto the base and glues itself into place. For bigger debris piles wait until first layer has dried then added another layer of glue on top and repeat rocking
5) Add watered-down white glue on top of all the debris to lock it in place
6) Prime black
7) Drybrush brown over exposed dirt, grey over rubble bits, red for bricks, brown for wood beams
8) Black wash
9) Varnish

I tried a couple two types of model bricks. Juweela bricks ended up being extremely flat and plastic-looking. Pegasus bricks, meanwhile had the right texture and come with natural imperfections/chips that make them look authentic. They're also a good red brick color and could be placed without painting, but I couldn't avoid getting paint on them so I had to repaint them. I got a bag of about 1,000 for seven bucks. Also super handy for making terrain.

Class Warcraft fucked around with this message at 09:38 on Dec 16, 2018

spectralent
Oct 1, 2014

Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops

Major Isoor posted:

Were you using all the rules, or just the basic 'first game' rules, out of curiosity? I haven't played the game myself yet, although I have a copy en route to me.
I know of some x-wing players who comverted to BRS though, so it does give me hope! I'll have to post about it, after I get to actually play it, since it doesn't seem like others here have tried it yet.

I assume it was just the "First Game" rules. We had two tables of three vs three which seems like it was a split starter box.

Major Isoor
Mar 23, 2011

spectralent posted:

I assume it was just the "First Game" rules. We had two tables of three vs three which seems like it was a split starter box.

Well speaking of the devil, my BRS starter set + yaks arrived at my doorstep today - on a Sunday! I'll probably be able to give it a go on Friday or Saturday, so I'll see how that pans out :getin:

Commissar Kip
Nov 9, 2009

Imperial Commissariat's uplifting primer.

Shake once.
What size bases for individually based 15mm mans?

Also, what size bases for Baccus if I want to do ACW?

Worst On Team
Aug 8, 2018

12 pints of liquid courage

Commissar Kip posted:

What size bases for individually based 15mm mans?


20mm (a US Penny) or smaller.

Fish and Chimps
Feb 16, 2012

mmmfff
Fun Shoe

Commissar Kip posted:

What size bases for individually based 15mm mans?

I use 12mm washers.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Boats ! Boats ! Boats !

In which mllaneza rambles about coastal forces again.

After actually reading the whole article on Cruel Seas there are a few more items of note. Initiative will be on roughly the came chit draw system as Bolt Action. Larger weapons roll more dice and have longer range, probably also like Bolt Action. And one fun note. Each boat has three defined speed bands, you have to move the max for your speed setting, and you can turn 45 degrees after each full increment moved. Where it gets cool is the "wake marker". The boxed set includes these markers, several inches long and tapered a bit, marked in thirds. Each third represents a move increment for the boat. That works out to the more wake marker is showing, the faster the boat is moving. That's a very good use of play aids.

I promised pictures. Here are some rainy-day photos of my boats.





There's the early-war 70' Vesper boat with two torpedo tubes and one twin LMG turret. I couldn't resist and had it off the sprue and the cockpit deckhouse mounted before I got the lightbox set up. X-Acto knife in the background for scale. It's a decent model with a fair amount of accuracy but not a lot of detail; IIRC these boats had plywood decks anyways so we aren't missing much. In the second photo you can see the deckhouse for the late-war boat; it's in two pieces and is meant to fit around a raised area on the main deck.



There's a good shot of the sprue. Weapons, torpedo tubes, masts, and deckhouses are all that go on the hull. Very simple, but will look good with a good paint job. Too drat big, but see below for answers to that.







My in-progress 1/600 scale resin Russian boats from PT Dockyard. These could be more detailed; and cleaning the flash off of the weapons is an exercise in not ruining your model with an X-Acto, but they're very recognizably what they're meant to be. For garage kits, reasonably priced (those gunboats go for about $2.50), and accurate enough. They need a little work yet.





That's targets and escort trawlers in 1/1250 from Figurehead. Works in progress, but showing up very nicely for such small models. It's two trawlers per pack at $7.00.





S_Boots, S-18 variant I think, in line abreast. These are also 1/1250 Figurehead (the 1/6000 scale WW1 and 2 naval people) I got from Last Square. These are $9.50 for a pack of 4 boats. Excellent detail on the models and cheap.
Also needs detail work.





Fairmile-Ds and 70' Vospers. As pictured, $16.50 worth of models and you've got a very flexible British starter lineup.

To sum up, Cruel Seas is going to have some very nice models, but you're getting into Parking Lot Syndrome For Boats if you're playing on a small table (less than 5' by 8'). I'd recommend the CS starter box to get the rules and components, and go with one of the smaller scales for actual play. That leaves you the big models for display or convention play.

Now I realize three things: I need to finish these two projects, I need to post about other rules, and I need to do a post about books about coastal forces.

Until then, War Thunder is F2P and it has boats !

e. Fixed images, the whole gallery is online at: https://imgur.com/a/77sHkqn

mllaneza fucked around with this message at 07:44 on Dec 18, 2018

Endman
May 18, 2010

That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die


I’m really considering picking up some of GHQ’s 1:2400 ships from the First World War.

Unfortunately I’ve only got a 4x3’ table to work with, so I imagine they’ll be rather close range engagements.

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mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Endman posted:

I’m really considering picking up some of GHQ’s 1:2400 ships from the First World War.

Unfortunately I’ve only got a 4x3’ table to work with, so I imagine they’ll be rather close range engagements.

You should seriously consider 1/3000 or 1/6000. Figurehead makes a complete range of WW1 1/6000. WTJ.com has 1/3000 which are noticeably smaller and cheaper, if also less detailed. For WW2 I'd recommend 1/4800, but nobody has a full range of WW1 1/4800.

Given the 4' x 3' table, go 1/6000. At the high end of the range, going by lastquare.com's pricing, all of the RN present at Jutland is US$255; or, a pack of 4 battleships is $8. They look what they're supposed to be, and have as much detail as you could expect in this scale. A matched set of cruiser action miniatures would go $30-50 for each of two sides. Go for those.

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