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Crazycryodude posted:We voted for the pro-military communists last vote Yes, and that turned just swell lol.
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Al Andalus was pretty great when we were voting for the Inperialists, just saying.
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This is the natural result of heightening the contradictions
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Morrow posted:Al Andalus was pretty great when we were voting for the Inperialists, just saying. Yup. Speaking of, y'all think the Nobel Peace Prize even exists in this timeline?
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WilliamAnderson posted:Yup. Dynamite has been invented hasnt it?
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Super Jay Mann posted:Look, it's axiomatic at this point that no matter what decision Al-Andalus makes it will be the wrong one, so we might as well pick the most fun and interesting options while we can Following that logic doesn’t it mean that those are the stupidest and least fun options? they always have been but still
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Soup du Jour posted:Following that logic doesn’t it mean that those are the stupidest and least fun options? No see, the wrong decisions for Al-Andalus are not necessarily the wrong decisions for us. 
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fish and chips and dip posted:Yes, and that turned just swell lol. that vote was almost literally 'would you guys rather be Hitler or Stalin' and, well, Stalin won so yay
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Dec 16, 2018 00:53
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WilliamAnderson posted:Yup. gently caress no. Peace is a word that has no meaning.
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Welp. That was a massive shitshow.
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so close to 8 figures!! this world would've deserved that (i know the pops in this game aren't accurate representations of population tho)
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Wow that's actually way fewer casualties than the real life WW1. 
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Pakled posted:Wow that's actually way fewer casualties than the real life WW1. IIRC every POP is actually representative of roughly 4 human beings so, uh, nah that's roughly commensurate
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Pakled posted:Wow that's actually way fewer casualties than the real life WW1. In terms of actual dead soldiers? It's actually slightly more. But otherwise yeah, most vic2 lategame wars seem to range around 6-8 million casualties.
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Hashim posted:Welp. That was a massive shitshow. 
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Add in the civil war and there's been a constant state of war in Al Andalus for almost a decade.
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Agean90 posted:cant wait for hoi4 where i try to go against everything the base game stands for and stay neutral Considering the state of the world, the next game might be a Fallout mod.
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Al Andulus Episode 37: Everyone Dies Part 31
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Technowolf posted:Considering the state of the world, the next game might be a Fallout mod. hoi4 has a fallout mod so we dont even need to switch developers
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I think it's knife fight rules where the winner is just the person who is bleeding profusely but not dead.
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oystertoadfish posted:that vote was almost literally 'would you guys rather be Hitler or Stalin' and, well, Stalin won so yay I still maintain that it was Mussolini or Franco, not Hitler.
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Literally a swastika in the flag, folks.
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Dance Officer posted:I still maintain that it was Mussolini or Franco, not Hitler. Oh that's so much better, you got me, raise up the black banners and fly those swastika flags guys!
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loving love Fiona Apple posted:The game doesn't really model civilian casualties. Yeah, but pops in provinces under occupation are all unemployed and tend to emigrate/starve. A few months is no big deal, but having provinces under occupation for years on end is a good way to shed a lot of pops. EDIT: Also, really high war exhaustion will reduce industrial output to a tiny fraction of what it usually is, and if your population is mobilized, that's less people working in the fields/factories to begin with. Mobilizing is a "avoid disaster/last resort" thing. Your economy suffers and in exchange all you get are a bunch of lovely infantry brigades. Patter Song fucked around with this message at 02:46 on Dec 16, 2018 |
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V. Illych L. posted:so did we win???? Those of us who left the country last vote I figure.
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GunnerJ posted:Literally a swastika in the flag, folks. As the person who made that flag let me just say that my entire thought process was "oh hey, the six-pointed star can easily be made into a swastika".
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puppets freak me out posted:I think it's knife fight rules where the winner is just the person who is bleeding profusely but not dead. The loser dies in the street. The winner dies in the Emergency Room. Clayren posted:As the person who made that flag let me just say that my entire thought process was "oh hey, the six-pointed star can easily be made into a swastika". The Raëlians say hello.
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Agean90 posted:hoi4 has a fallout mod so we dont even need to switch developers Actually we just go back to CKII After the End mod as Ibriz.
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Hashim posted:Welp. That was a massive shitshow. No matter what happened during the great war, killing off the upper class was totally worth it.
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GunnerJ posted:Literally a swastika in the flag, folks. That does seem damning, but there was barely any talk of race, maybe the swastika means noble privilege in this timeline? Swiss Hitler in the giantitp Deregulation hyper-capitalist mega-Paradox LP did a Holodomor in the Ukraine, but he didn't do anything else that Austrian Hitler did irl, because Swiss tradition and history in that game was highly democratic and humanistic. Clayren posted:As the person who made that flag let me just say that my entire thought process was "oh hey, the six-pointed star can easily be made into a swastika". There you go. Not that it matters, Stalin could've done the Holodomor several times over, it's hard to see this thread voting for the lesser evil of noble privilege over full-throated Stalinist genocide. Snipee posted:No matter what happened during the great war, killing off the upper class was totally worth it. If Victoria is anything like the real world, killing off the most highly educated/entrepreneurial pops, and genociding a few provinces is a very bad idea with multi-generational consequences, beyond not having an army at the start of the war and ending up on the numerically inferior side. Hashim posted:Welp. That was a massive shitshow. This seems promising for Andalusia, maybe we can replace Maz/Stalin with Tirruni the III? RA Rx3 fucked around with this message at 06:35 on Dec 16, 2018 |
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Yeah it's really crazy how when presented with a choice between "fascists spawned from the secret police who will brutally repress and destroy the tiny slivers of decency we did manage to create" or "broad coalition of liberals and leftists who have at least a chance of being good" goons choose correctly. Even once Mazin took over and went full Mao, which was not at all guaranteed or voted for, at least the secret police and terror are resulting in dead landlords instead of further empowered backsliding to the loving Middle Ages landlords.
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The Rais wouldn't have been much less worse than Maz Mazin, it's true. I'm not sure I'd equate Holodomoring parts of our country with "tiny slivers of decency" though, I'd rather be stuck with the bad guys that slaughter less people. But that terrible choice was spawned from abandoning the political center of the country and polarizing the country, which happened partly because Victoria doesn't represent working class aspirations well if the macro economics and foreign policy is going well, but the point is the Imperialists didn't pass the social reforms because people didn't want them, because Vicky - but they would've eventually, when it was requested, probably as a result of unrest from massive casualties in a great war. Should've stuck with the Imperialists/Liberals! Reforms would've happened eventually despite Vicky being Vicky. And Andalusia has always been a better place to live in under the merchants, expanding economically, territorially, and in terms of civil rights (even if unrealistically slowly, historically such merchant nations have expanded commoner rights more quickly than other states, by taking into account the opinions of a wider base of the population), rather than moving back and forth between purges, starvation and hellwars. Edit: That kind of diplomatic posture tends to be the natural result of a "Kill all the rich/poor/ethnics/XYZ" ideology, sooner or later. Same with the genocide and full Stalin. RA Rx3 fucked around with this message at 08:00 on Dec 16, 2018 |
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This entire situation only went bad when the socialists decided to make their country international pariahs by forgetting about diplomacy altogether
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RA Rx3 posted:Edit: That kind of diplomatic posture tends to be the natural result of a "Kill all the rich/poor/ethnics/XYZ" ideology, sooner or later. Same with the genocide and full Stalin. The fascists are killing everyone they dont like and then this guy comes out of nowhere and starts killing fascists, really they're both just the same. I am very intelligent
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